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What languages do you speak?

Iberian (Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, etc...)
28
12%
Semitic languages and other Middle Easter Languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, Turkish, Farsi, etc...)
12
5%
French, French Creoles, Italian, Sicilian
41
18%
German/Dutch
45
20%
Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese, Wu, etc...)
8
4%
Asian Indian languages (Hindi, Punjabi, Bengali, etc...)
7
3%
East European Languages (Russian, Polish, Romanian, Greek, etc...)
23
10%
Japanese or Korean
10
4%
Nordic languages (Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Icelandic, Finnish)
17
7%
And of course, other (Please explain)
37
16%
 
Total votes : 228

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Sassinia
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:38 am

You can't group the Indian languages in one generic sector. Hell, you can't group the North-Indian ones in one group. Indian (in this case north-indian) languages are grouped according to this:

Hindi and other North Indian Languages (Hindi, Rajasthani, Urdu, etc)
East-Indian Languages (Assamese, Bengali, Orissan, etc.)
Marathi and Others (Marathi, etc.)
West Indian (Gujarati, etc.)
Punjabi (Punjabi and similar dialects)
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No, we aren't the Sassanids nor descendants of them.
..and no, we aren't Muslims, either.
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Capital City: Terz
Population: 7,000,000,000 and counting
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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:39 am

Sassinia wrote:You can't group the Indian languages in one generic sector. Hell, you can't group the North-Indian ones in one group. Indian (in this case north-indian) languages are grouped according to this:

Hindi and other North Indian Languages (Hindi, Rajasthani, Urdu, etc)
East-Indian Languages (Assamese, Bengali, Orissan, etc.)
Marathi and Others (Marathi, etc.)
West Indian (Gujarati, etc.)
Punjabi (Punjabi and similar dialects)

Nope. We can't have 5 poll options for all those. We can only have 10 poll options in total.
Do all these have a common name, if not Indian?
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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:39 am

Camelza wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Japanese and Korean shouldn't be grouped together.

They belong to the same linguistic group ...French and Romanian are pretty different languages but I still grouped them together.

Korean is a language isolate.
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:39 am

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Japanese and Korean shouldn't be grouped together.

We can group Eastern Asian languages together, Merge the two with Chinese languages, and split another option in two.
Also, Icelandic should be put in the German option. Iceland is not a part of Scandinavia.

It is a member of the Northern Germanic Languages though, aka: Scandinavian

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New Waterford
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Postby New Waterford » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:39 am

I can speak French and German on an intermediate level and I have bits and bobs of Irish vocabulary (Dia duit, Conas atá tú etc).
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:39 am

HorusLand wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Baltic? Latvian and Lithuanian aren't part of Uralic languages. ;)

You can't put all of those together in one option without a name. Do all these have a common name?


Baltic languages are part of Balto-Slavic language group.
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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:39 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Camelza wrote:They belong to the same linguistic group ...French and Romanian are pretty different languages but I still grouped them together.

Korean is a language isolate.

East Asian, dude, East Asian. That would include: Chinese Languages, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:40 am

HorusLand wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Gibberish.

Don't insult my favorite language!

That's Finnish, btw.


Joulupukki is happy with that.
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Sassinia
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:41 am

HorusLand wrote:
Sassinia wrote:You can't group the Indian languages in one generic sector. Hell, you can't group the North-Indian ones in one group. Indian (in this case north-indian) languages are grouped according to this:

Hindi and other North Indian Languages (Hindi, Rajasthani, Urdu, etc)
East-Indian Languages (Assamese, Bengali, Orissan, etc.)
Marathi and Others (Marathi, etc.)
West Indian (Gujarati, etc.)
Punjabi (Punjabi and similar dialects)

Nope. We can't have 5 poll options for all those. We can only have 10 poll options in total.
Do all these have a common name, if not Indian?

Nope. Although you can group them according to their scripts:
Devanagari
Bengali-Assamese
Punjabi
That Arabic-like script (I'm not Pakistani so i don't know the name)
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No, we aren't the Sassanids nor descendants of them.
..and no, we aren't Muslims, either.
THE KINGDOM OF SASSINIA
Head of State: King Ireni Murd
Capital City: Terz
Population: 7,000,000,000 and counting
RP Military: 31,000,000 active, 34,000,000 reserve
Tech: MT
Map
12 [3] 4 5
Increased readiness

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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:42 am

Sassinia wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Nope. We can't have 5 poll options for all those. We can only have 10 poll options in total.
Do all these have a common name, if not Indian?

Nope. Although you can group them according to their scripts:
Devanagari
Bengali-Assamese
Punjabi
That Arabic-like script (I'm not Pakistani so i don't know the name)

Well, then, it's too bad. NS won't let us put all of them there, and seeing as there's only one person who chose any one of them on this version, there's no use even doing that.
:(
So, we'll have to put all of them in ''Other Indo-European languages''
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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:43 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Camelza wrote:They belong to the same linguistic group ...French and Romanian are pretty different languages but I still grouped them together.

Korean is a language isolate.

I was pretty sure they were related.

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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:43 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
HorusLand wrote:Don't insult my favorite language!

That's Finnish, btw.


Joulupukki is happy with that.

I don't believe in Joulupukki anymore. Sorry.
:3
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Sassinia
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:43 am

Also, for those who don't know, Assam is pronounced natively as Ashaam. There's no "s" sound in Bengali-Assamese, unless in special cases (Anthostosho can be used for the s sound).
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No, we aren't the Sassanids nor descendants of them.
..and no, we aren't Muslims, either.
THE KINGDOM OF SASSINIA
Head of State: King Ireni Murd
Capital City: Terz
Population: 7,000,000,000 and counting
RP Military: 31,000,000 active, 34,000,000 reserve
Tech: MT
Map
12 [3] 4 5
Increased readiness

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The Blaatschapen
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:44 am

HorusLand wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Joulupukki is happy with that.

I don't believe in Joulupukki anymore. Sorry.
:3


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Postby Yorkopolis » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:44 am

Awful poll you got there, let's just bring up:

"Iberian languages" doesn't exist and should instead, like Italian, Latin, etc. because they're all Romance languages, so instead create a poll option for that.

Yiddish is a Germanic language, Greek is Hellenic, Turkish is Turkic, Romanian is Romance, and Russian, Polish, Czech, and name the lot, are all Slavic.

Just saying.

But either way, I speak Dutch - awful language - English, German at a basic level, and some phrases of languages like Russian, Czech, Romanian, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, etc.
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Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
Political Spectrum:
Left: 7.67
Libertarian: 2.63
Foreign Non-Interventionist: -6.76
Cultural Liberal: -6.63



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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:44 am

I looked on Wikipedia. Some consider Korean an Altaic language, along with Turkic and Mongolian, and others.
Some. And others consider it isolate.
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Souseiseki
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:45 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:>japanese and korean

oh god lol

fuck it i can rant about protons and neturons in japanese im clicking the japanese option

I'm envious.


don't be the trade off is that i can hardly say hello

HorusLand wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Korean is a language isolate.

East Asian, dude, East Asian. That would include: Chinese Languages, Mongolian, Korean, Japanese.

wait weren't you one of the people complaining about grouping languages by geography earlier?
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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:45 am

Camelza wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Korean is a language isolate.

I was pretty sure they were related.

Wikipedia wrote:Most historical linguists classify Korean as a language isolate while a few consider it to be in the controversial Altaic language family.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language
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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:45 am

Yorkopolis wrote:Awful poll you got there, let's just bring up:

"Iberian languages" doesn't exist and should instead, like Italian, Latin, etc. because they're all Romance languages, so instead create a poll option for that.

Yiddish is a Germanic language, Greek is Hellenic, Turkish is Turkic, Romanian is Romance, and Russian, Polish, Czech, and name the lot, are all Slavic.

Just saying.

But either way, I speak Dutch - awful language - English, German at a basic level, and some phrases of languages like Russian, Czech, Romanian, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, etc.

We're solving the problem right now, in the discussion. :)
Camelza has a great re-listing of the languages, in groups.
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 am

HorusLand wrote:What is the difference between Saami, Finnish, and Karelian? Are they very close, like Dutch and German?


They are related enough that I recognize some familiarity, but separate enough that I don't understand Saami at all and Karelian language only partially.
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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Camelza wrote:I was pretty sure they were related.

Wikipedia wrote:Most historical linguists classify Korean as a language isolate while a few consider it to be in the controversial Altaic language family.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language

Exactly. Then, you click on ''Altaic languages''. Korean and Japanese are considered by SOME to be Altaic. Others consider it isolate.
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Sassinia
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Postby Sassinia » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 am

HorusLand wrote:
Yorkopolis wrote:Awful poll you got there, let's just bring up:

"Iberian languages" doesn't exist and should instead, like Italian, Latin, etc. because they're all Romance languages, so instead create a poll option for that.

Yiddish is a Germanic language, Greek is Hellenic, Turkish is Turkic, Romanian is Romance, and Russian, Polish, Czech, and name the lot, are all Slavic.

Just saying.

But either way, I speak Dutch - awful language - English, German at a basic level, and some phrases of languages like Russian, Czech, Romanian, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, etc.

We're solving the problem right now, in the discussion. :)
Camelza has a great re-listing of the languages, in groups.

I still would like for him to mention Bengali. It has a larger native population.
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No, we aren't the Sassanids nor descendants of them.
..and no, we aren't Muslims, either.
THE KINGDOM OF SASSINIA
Head of State: King Ireni Murd
Capital City: Terz
Population: 7,000,000,000 and counting
RP Military: 31,000,000 active, 34,000,000 reserve
Tech: MT
Map
12 [3] 4 5
Increased readiness

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Camelza
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Camelza wrote:I was pretty sure they were related.

Wikipedia wrote:Most historical linguists classify Korean as a language isolate while a few consider it to be in the controversial Altaic language family.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language

I stand corrected.

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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I'm envious.


don't be the trade off is that i can hardly say hello

Don't you know, like, 800 kanji?
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Impeach Enlil, legalise dreaming, mortality is theft. GILGAMESH 2474 BC

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Horusland
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Postby Horusland » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:46 am

Immoren wrote:
HorusLand wrote:What is the difference between Saami, Finnish, and Karelian? Are they very close, like Dutch and German?


They are related enough that I recognize some familiarity, but separate enough that I don't understand Saami at all and Karelian language only partially.

Are Saami and Karelian closer to other languages than Finnish?
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