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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:18 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Do you actually ask women out tho?


Sometimes, when one shows interest, isn't dating anyone else, and isn't about to move away. Those three together are surprisingly hard to find.

You don't wait for her to "show interest", you might be waiting for the wrong sign. This right here is probably your biggest issue.
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Postby Miyager » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:18 am

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Vitaphone Racing wrote:A better solution is finding women who like you back. You can't possibly expect women to date somebody who they aren't attracted to?


Oh, women don't like me back. I speak strangely and I'm somewhat disfigured. I have a blind left eye that's always half-shut and sometimes leaks.


Getting an eyepatch would make you look badass, though.
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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:19 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
Sometimes, when one shows interest, isn't dating anyone else, and isn't about to move away. Those three together are surprisingly hard to find.

You don't wait for her to "show interest", you might be waiting for the wrong sign. This right here is probably your biggest issue.


How am I supposed to know if she likes me or not? I'm not a telepath :(
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:22 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Most of the women I meet care about attitude. If they think you got balls, they like you. Sure, looks help--might make women hit on you more (which you shouldn't be depending on), but that's not the major thing.


It's not that I rely on looks. It's that the looks I have are bad! I could handle it if my looks didn't work for me, but they seem to be actively against me. I get made fun of a lot for looking like a caveman :p

You can beat people up with ease, but they make fun of you like that?

There are fatfatfat ugly guys who have cute girlfriends. I've seen 'em. Looks are not a total problem. There might be women who don't go for such and such looks, but you'll run into plenty who will nearly every day.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:22 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:You don't wait for her to "show interest", you might be waiting for the wrong sign. This right here is probably your biggest issue.


How am I supposed to know if she likes me or not? I'm not a telepath :(

Ask her out.
If she says "yes" then she's interested in you.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:23 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
It's not that I rely on looks. It's that the looks I have are bad! I could handle it if my looks didn't work for me, but they seem to be actively against me. I get made fun of a lot for looking like a caveman :p

You can beat people up with ease, but they make fun of you like that?

There are fatfatfat ugly guys who have cute girlfriends. I've seen 'em. Looks are not a total problem. There might be women who don't go for such and such looks, but you'll run into plenty who will nearly every day.

Dude...
I'm right here.
That was rude.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:23 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:You don't wait for her to "show interest", you might be waiting for the wrong sign. This right here is probably your biggest issue.


How am I supposed to know if she likes me or not? I'm not a telepath :(

You don't have to. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes it isn't. You ask her if she's down to kick it, and if she says yes then she likes you.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:24 am

Dyakovo wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You can beat people up with ease, but they make fun of you like that?

There are fatfatfat ugly guys who have cute girlfriends. I've seen 'em. Looks are not a total problem. There might be women who don't go for such and such looks, but you'll run into plenty who will nearly every day.

Dude...
I'm right here.
That was rude.
;)

Hahaha. Case in point.
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Postby Camelza » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:24 am

Gallowfield wrote:
Camelza wrote:Attaboy!


Want to join me? I've got a mean recipe for homemade french fries/potato bites.

Sounds like a plan to me.
Dyakovo wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
How am I supposed to know if she likes me or not? I'm not a telepath :(

Ask her out.
If she says "yes" then she's interested in you.

This is harder for some people than you think.

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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:25 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
It's not that I rely on looks. It's that the looks I have are bad! I could handle it if my looks didn't work for me, but they seem to be actively against me. I get made fun of a lot for looking like a caveman :p

You can beat people up with ease, but they make fun of you like that?

There are fatfatfat ugly guys who have cute girlfriends. I've seen 'em. Looks are not a total problem. There might be women who don't go for such and such looks, but you'll run into plenty who will nearly every day.


Yes, they know I don't usually like to hurt people. I only fight under two conditions- danger, or a direct challenge. And if I'm challenged, I only go far enough to win with minimal force. And I've noticed that! I wonder if it's less of an attractiveness issue and more of an intimidation issue.
Facts are arbitrary. Pleasure is the only truth.
I worship tea.
Here's why I prefer strength over brains- beating a computer at chess is hard, but beating a computer at kickboxing is something anyone can do.
Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and the answer is yes.

Someday, I shall meet Lian and learn the ways of Chinese martial arts, or die trying. More likely the latter, admittedly.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:26 am

Camelza wrote:This is harder for some people than you think.

Practice all over the place.
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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:26 am

Camelza wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
Want to join me? I've got a mean recipe for homemade french fries/potato bites.

Sounds like a plan to me.
Dyakovo wrote:Ask her out.
If she says "yes" then she's interested in you.

This is harder for some people than you think.


Alright, you're not allergic to garlic or cumin, are you? And yes, it is quite hard when you don't know what the result will be. It's like doing parkour in a rundown building. The fact that you might fall through the floor makes you nervous, which makes you worse at it.
Facts are arbitrary. Pleasure is the only truth.
I worship tea.
Here's why I prefer strength over brains- beating a computer at chess is hard, but beating a computer at kickboxing is something anyone can do.
Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and the answer is yes.

Someday, I shall meet Lian and learn the ways of Chinese martial arts, or die trying. More likely the latter, admittedly.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:30 am

Gallowfield wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You can beat people up with ease, but they make fun of you like that?

There are fatfatfat ugly guys who have cute girlfriends. I've seen 'em. Looks are not a total problem. There might be women who don't go for such and such looks, but you'll run into plenty who will nearly every day.


Yes, they know I don't usually like to hurt people. I only fight under two conditions- danger, or a direct challenge. And if I'm challenged, I only go far enough to win with minimal force. And I've noticed that! I wonder if it's less of an attractiveness issue and more of an intimidation issue.

I guess it depends on the woman.... But it doesn't sound like you get much chance to be showy with your toughness.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:31 am

Gallowfield wrote:Alright, you're not allergic to garlic or cumin, are you? And yes, it is quite hard when you don't know what the result will be. It's like doing parkour in a rundown building. The fact that you might fall through the floor makes you nervous, which makes you worse at it.

What's the worse that can happen?

"Fuck you, you're ugly."
"Well fuck you too, bitch."

And that really doesn't happen.
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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:32 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
Yes, they know I don't usually like to hurt people. I only fight under two conditions- danger, or a direct challenge. And if I'm challenged, I only go far enough to win with minimal force. And I've noticed that! I wonder if it's less of an attractiveness issue and more of an intimidation issue.

I guess it depends on the woman.... But it doesn't sound like you get much chance to be showy with your toughness.


Haha, I do so in other ways besides fighting. I'm not bad at parkour and I'm good at weight lifting. I can lift a lot of my friends over my head pretty easily (and no, I don't give them the Bane treatment) :p
Facts are arbitrary. Pleasure is the only truth.
I worship tea.
Here's why I prefer strength over brains- beating a computer at chess is hard, but beating a computer at kickboxing is something anyone can do.
Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and the answer is yes.

Someday, I shall meet Lian and learn the ways of Chinese martial arts, or die trying. More likely the latter, admittedly.

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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:33 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:Alright, you're not allergic to garlic or cumin, are you? And yes, it is quite hard when you don't know what the result will be. It's like doing parkour in a rundown building. The fact that you might fall through the floor makes you nervous, which makes you worse at it.

What's the worse that can happen?

"Fuck you, you're ugly."
"Well fuck you too, bitch."

And that really doesn't happen.


Once I asked a girl out and she laughed hysterically and was like "Are you serious?" and I said yes, and she laughed harder. Ugh, humans.....
Facts are arbitrary. Pleasure is the only truth.
I worship tea.
Here's why I prefer strength over brains- beating a computer at chess is hard, but beating a computer at kickboxing is something anyone can do.
Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and the answer is yes.

Someday, I shall meet Lian and learn the ways of Chinese martial arts, or die trying. More likely the latter, admittedly.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:33 am

Costa Alegria wrote:
Bombadil wrote:First, the whole 'nice guy' thing is really only a 'thing' at school through early 20's because peer status is more important then. This leads people to focus on people who are basically out of their league. So, for want of another phrase, lower your standards to your own peer group.


I did. Failed miserably. Twice.


Keep lowering then.
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Postby Camelza » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:35 am

Gallowfield wrote:
Camelza wrote:Sounds like a plan to me.

This is harder for some people than you think.


Alright, you're not allergic to garlic or cumin, are you? And yes, it is quite hard when you don't know what the result will be. It's like doing parkour in a rundown building. The fact that you might fall through the floor makes you nervous, which makes you worse at it.

It's all in the mind really...

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:36 am

Gallowfield wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I guess it depends on the woman.... But it doesn't sound like you get much chance to be showy with your toughness.


Haha, I do so in other ways besides fighting. I'm not bad at parkour and I'm good at weight lifting. I can lift a lot of my friends over my head pretty easily (and no, I don't give them the Bane treatment) :p

Ugly or not, that sort of shit pulls chicks. Try looking in crappy neighborhoods, you'll find women who are interested, although they might lose the interest the moment they realize you're the kinda guy who won't beat up a shit talker.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:37 am

Gallowfield wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:What's the worse that can happen?

"Fuck you, you're ugly."
"Well fuck you too, bitch."

And that really doesn't happen.


Once I asked a girl out and she laughed hysterically and was like "Are you serious?" and I said yes, and she laughed harder. Ugh, humans.....

Should have asked her what the fuck was so funny.
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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:40 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
Haha, I do so in other ways besides fighting. I'm not bad at parkour and I'm good at weight lifting. I can lift a lot of my friends over my head pretty easily (and no, I don't give them the Bane treatment) :p

Ugly or not, that sort of shit pulls chicks. Try looking in crappy neighborhoods, you'll find women who are interested, although they might lose the interest the moment they realize you're the kinda guy who won't beat up a shit talker.


I know someone is going to say beggars can't be choosers, but I would like to find a woman who can appreciate my less brutish side too. I enjoy writing novels and poems, and I'm not bad at cooking either. I love animals and I'm vegetarian. I'm the kind of guy who trains jujitsu and barehanded fighting one minute, then goes home and takes care of my kittens the next.
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Here's why I prefer strength over brains- beating a computer at chess is hard, but beating a computer at kickboxing is something anyone can do.
Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and the answer is yes.

Someday, I shall meet Lian and learn the ways of Chinese martial arts, or die trying. More likely the latter, admittedly.

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Postby Zhouran » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:41 am

I remember having a crush on this girl.

On this years Valentines, she showed me this present, and said she wanted to show it to her boyfriend.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:41 am

Gallowfield wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ugly or not, that sort of shit pulls chicks. Try looking in crappy neighborhoods, you'll find women who are interested, although they might lose the interest the moment they realize you're the kinda guy who won't beat up a shit talker.


I know someone is going to say beggars can't be choosers, but I would like to find a woman who can appreciate my less brutish side too. I enjoy writing novels and poems, and I'm not bad at cooking either. I love animals and I'm vegetarian. I'm the kind of guy who trains jujitsu and barehanded fighting one minute, then goes home and takes care of my kittens the next.

You wanna peg all those interests, you gonna have to try online dating.
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Postby Gallowfield » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:42 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Gallowfield wrote:
Once I asked a girl out and she laughed hysterically and was like "Are you serious?" and I said yes, and she laughed harder. Ugh, humans.....

Should have asked her what the fuck was so funny.


I knew it was the fact that someone like me asked her out. Oh well, she went on to have a series of bad relationships with both boyfriends and her family and friends, so I guess I dodged the bullet there :)
Facts are arbitrary. Pleasure is the only truth.
I worship tea.
Here's why I prefer strength over brains- beating a computer at chess is hard, but beating a computer at kickboxing is something anyone can do.
Violence isn't the answer. It's a question and the answer is yes.

Someday, I shall meet Lian and learn the ways of Chinese martial arts, or die trying. More likely the latter, admittedly.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:42 am

Zhouran wrote:I remember having a crush on this girl.

On this years Valentines, she showed me this present, and said she wanted to show it to her boyfriend.

Well she has a boyfriend what do you expect? You ain't hitting that without some respectable game and guys with "crushes" ain't got game.
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