The "Nice Guy" and the friendzone, Society's attitude

[Dictatorship Of Serdaristan]

Because you don't see women as people. So the distinguishing remark you made really did reflect your perception.

You know he does have a point, not in the "women are only good for sex" aspect but more in the sense of male friends are generally more fun to hang out with.
The problem with feminism, at least in most of NS's sense of the word is you seem to assume that men and women are exactly the same with no difference at all, and to say otherwise is a misogynistic hate crime.

I have mostly male friends and about 4 female friends, and the dynamics of our friendships are vastly different. Here are some examples

Male friends: "hey I just got new mud tires, lets go out to the pit and go mudding" - See, this is something I enjoy, Most of my male friends share 95% of my interests

Female friends: "hey, come to the mall with me and anon, it'll be fun" (this really means wander around a store aimlessly while holding my purse and looking for a suitable belt to hang yourself with) - I only have one female friend that shares more than 50% of my interests

Before you say something like "oh, your just hanging out with the wrong girls" just quit while your ahead, and realize that men and women are different and like fundamentally different things.

Thats not to say that women cant like what I like, but more of "men like what I like almost all the time so why not make it easier and hang out with them"

[Dakini]

I'm not sure where "I like men who treat me like I'm a human being and an equal" means "focused on connections". I mean, guys who treat me like I'm neither a human being nor equal are probably shit in the sack too so I wouldn't even want to fuck them in a one night stand (if I was single and up for one night stands).

But I mean you dont really seem to care about appearance whereas I put more emphasis on that

You would be incorrect about the former, however a pretty package doesn't make up for a shitty present.

Also, your ideas about what women is attractive are asinine. In part because the stuff you listed only attracts some women (not all and certainly not most), but also because you're just assuming that women like what guys find attractive in other guys.

[The Parkus Empire]

You know he does have a point, not in the "women are only good for sex" aspect but more in the sense of male friends are generally more fun to hang out with.
The problem with feminism, at least in most of NS's sense of the word is you seem to assume that men and women are exactly the same with no difference at all, and to say otherwise is a misogynistic hate crime.

Except for the sex characteristics, they are the same.

I have mostly male friends and about 4 female friends, and the dynamics of our friendships are vastly different. Here are some examples

Male friends: "hey I just got new mud tires, lets go out to the pit and go mudding" - See, this is something I enjoy, Most of my male friends share 95% of my interests

Female friends: "hey, come to the mall with me and anon, it'll be fun" (this really means wander around a store aimlessly while holding my purse and looking for a suitable belt to hang yourself with) - I only have one female friend that shares more than 50% of my interests

That really has nothing to do with sex. That has to do with men and women being raised to like different things. You think kids pick their first toys? Or their first clothes?

Before you say something like "oh, your just hanging out with the wrong girls" just quit while your ahead, and realize that men and women are different and like fundamentally different things.

Horseshit. You raise a girl with jeans and toy trucks and then dirt biking, she'll probably be interested in that. Ain't nothing "fundamental" about that.

Thats not to say that women cant like what I like, but more of "men like what I like almost all the time so why not make it easier and hang out with them"

That's gender culture, not sex itself.

[Dakini]

Because you don't see women as people. So the distinguishing remark you made really did reflect your perception.

You know he does have a point, not in the "women are only good for sex" aspect but more in the sense of male friends are generally more fun to hang out with.
The problem with feminism, at least in most of NS's sense of the word is you seem to assume that men and women are exactly the same with no difference at all, and to say otherwise is a misogynistic hate crime.

Oh, no there are differences.

Usually men have penises, but no boobs and usually women have vaginas (and boobs).

I have mostly male friends and about 4 female friends, and the dynamics of our friendships are vastly different. Here are some examples

Male friends: "hey I just got new mud tires, lets go out to the pit and go mudding" - See, this is something I enjoy, Most of my male friends share 95% of my interests

The interests of you and your male friends would have my male friends snoring.

Female friends: "hey, come to the mall with me and anon, it'll be fun" (this really means wander around a store aimlessly while holding my purse and looking for a suitable belt to hang yourself with)

...then don't go to the mall with your friends.

I only have one female friend that shares more than 50% of my interests

Oh what, so now women are individuals who have different interests?

Before you say something like "oh, your just hanging out with the wrong girls" just quit while your ahead, and realize that men and women are different and like fundamentally different things.

Except your one friend who likes most of the stuff that you like.

Thats not to say that women cant like what I like, but more of "men like what I like almost all the time so why not make it easier and hang out with them"

Why not hang out with people regardless of their gender?

My friend group is probably about 50/50 but I'm a woman. I'm also a scientist who drinks beer. My friends are scientists who drink beer (except the ones that prefer wine). We have tons of shit in common. I might have slightly more in common with my male friends than my female friends, but meh.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

But I mean you dont really seem to care about appearance whereas I put more emphasis on that

You would be incorrect about the former, however a pretty package doesn't make up for a shitty present.

Also, your ideas about what women is attractive are asinine. In part because the stuff you listed only attracts some women (not all and certainly not most), but also because you're just assuming that women like what guys find attractive in other guys.

Speak for yourself. I have had pretty good success and its usually me who has to end the relationship not them so I guess if you like that stuff, im glad it works for you. As they say, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

[United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy]

So, here's the fun fact of the moment:

There are "Nice Girls" too.

They exist. They're a "thing". They happen.

The Nice Girl, who hangs out with a guy, listens to all of his problems, accepts that he writes run on sentences on fora posts, watches him reel from one disaster to the next like Disney's latest Prostitot-Grown-Up, and goes home to sigh wistfully into her pillow and wish that she could "save him" from all of those "bad women" who "don't understand him".

The entirety of this concept of the "Friendzone" or the idea that anyone somehow has anymore of a right to romantic affection from someone than anyone else is bunk. Pointless nonsense, that is only of concern to people who aren't interested in laying the bare facts on the table and letting everyone know their motivations.

If you, and that's gender plural folks, desire reciprocal emotional gratification from another human being, you may want to try being honest with them rather than attempting emotional wood-worm tactics.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

So, here's the fun fact of the moment:

There are "Nice Girls" too.

They exist. They're a "thing". They happen.

The Nice Girl, who hangs out with a guy, listens to all of his problems, accepts that he writes run on sentences on fora posts, watches him reel from one disaster to the next like Disney's latest Prostitot-Grown-Up, and goes home to sigh wistfully into her pillow and wish that she could "save him" from all of those "bad women" who "don't understand him".

The entirety of this concept of the "Friendzone" or the idea that anyone somehow has anymore of a right to romantic affection from someone than anyone else is bunk. Pointless nonsense, that is only of concern to people who aren't interested in laying the bare facts on the table and letting everyone know their motivations.

If you, and that's gender plural folks, desire reciprocal emotional gratification from another human being, you may want to try being honest with them rather than attempting emotional wood-worm tactics.

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

[Dictatorship Of Serdaristan]

You know he does have a point, not in the "women are only good for sex" aspect but more in the sense of male friends are generally more fun to hang out with.
The problem with feminism, at least in most of NS's sense of the word is you seem to assume that men and women are exactly the same with no difference at all, and to say otherwise is a misogynistic hate crime.

Except for the sex characteristics, they are the same.

I have mostly male friends and about 4 female friends, and the dynamics of our friendships are vastly different. Here are some examples

Male friends: "hey I just got new mud tires, lets go out to the pit and go mudding" - See, this is something I enjoy, Most of my male friends share 95% of my interests

Female friends: "hey, come to the mall with me and anon, it'll be fun" (this really means wander around a store aimlessly while holding my purse and looking for a suitable belt to hang yourself with) - I only have one female friend that shares more than 50% of my interests

That really has nothing to do with sex. That has to do with men and women being raised to like different things. You think kids pick their first toys? Or their first clothes?

Before you say something like "oh, your just hanging out with the wrong girls" just quit while your ahead, and realize that men and women are different and like fundamentally different things.

Horseshit. You raise a girl with jeans and toy trucks and then dirt biking, she'll probably be interested in that. Ain't nothing "fundamental" about that.

Thats not to say that women cant like what I like, but more of "men like what I like almost all the time so why not make it easier and hang out with them"

That's gender culture, not sex itself.

My post had nothing to do with sex, whether they are different due to sex or the way they were raised does not matter but the fact they are different does.
Fine, they are raised to like different things.
My point still stands, men and women like different things. who cares if its a social construct or women evolving to be more concerned with raising children and men evolving to be more concerned with obtaining food and shelter.

[The Parkus Empire]

So, here's the fun fact of the moment:

There are "Nice Girls" too.

They exist. They're a "thing". They happen.

The Nice Girl, who hangs out with a guy, listens to all of his problems, accepts that he writes run on sentences on fora posts, watches him reel from one disaster to the next like Disney's latest Prostitot-Grown-Up, and goes home to sigh wistfully into her pillow and wish that she could "save him" from all of those "bad women" who "don't understand him".

The entirety of this concept of the "Friendzone" or the idea that anyone somehow has anymore of a right to romantic affection from someone than anyone else is bunk. Pointless nonsense, that is only of concern to people who aren't interested in laying the bare facts on the table and letting everyone know their motivations.

If you, and that's gender plural folks, desire reciprocal emotional gratification from another human being, you may want to try being honest with them rather than attempting emotional wood-worm tactics.

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

[Forster Keys]

Ooh vitriolic. Too bad that is a false dichotomy blown halfway to mars

Not really. If you don't believe men and women should be treated equally, it's a fair appraisal for someone to consider you a bad person.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

But isnt that dehumanizing to women according to you guys? To want their body is a terrible thing for yall

[United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy]

So, here's the fun fact of the moment:

There are "Nice Girls" too.

They exist. They're a "thing". They happen.

The Nice Girl, who hangs out with a guy, listens to all of his problems, accepts that he writes run on sentences on fora posts, watches him reel from one disaster to the next like Disney's latest Prostitot-Grown-Up, and goes home to sigh wistfully into her pillow and wish that she could "save him" from all of those "bad women" who "don't understand him".

The entirety of this concept of the "Friendzone" or the idea that anyone somehow has anymore of a right to romantic affection from someone than anyone else is bunk. Pointless nonsense, that is only of concern to people who aren't interested in laying the bare facts on the table and letting everyone know their motivations.

If you, and that's gender plural folks, desire reciprocal emotional gratification from another human being, you may want to try being honest with them rather than attempting emotional wood-worm tactics.

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

If you want sex, you should be upfront about that fact. You should also accept that they may not want sex with you.

I realize that may shock some people, but not everyone wants sex.

[Forster Keys]

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

What's wrong with a good old wank every now and then?

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Ooh vitriolic. Too bad that is a false dichotomy blown halfway to mars

Not really. If you don't believe men and women should be treated equally, it's a fair appraisal for someone to consider you a bad person.

Im glad you came out of the woodwork to come fill my mouth with words I never said nor insinuated

[Dakini]

So, here's the fun fact of the moment:

There are "Nice Girls" too.

They exist. They're a "thing". They happen.

The Nice Girl, who hangs out with a guy, listens to all of his problems, accepts that he writes run on sentences on fora posts, watches him reel from one disaster to the next like Disney's latest Prostitot-Grown-Up, and goes home to sigh wistfully into her pillow and wish that she could "save him" from all of those "bad women" who "don't understand him".

The entirety of this concept of the "Friendzone" or the idea that anyone somehow has anymore of a right to romantic affection from someone than anyone else is bunk. Pointless nonsense, that is only of concern to people who aren't interested in laying the bare facts on the table and letting everyone know their motivations.

If you, and that's gender plural folks, desire reciprocal emotional gratification from another human being, you may want to try being honest with them rather than attempting emotional wood-worm tactics.

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

...except not.

Or did you miss my "I wouldn't fuck a non-feminist because they're likely terrible in bed" comments?

[The Parkus Empire]

My post had nothing to do with sex, whether they are different due to sex or the way they were raised does not matter but the fact they are different does.
Fine, they are raised to like different things.
My point still stands, men and women like different things. who cares if its a social construct or women evolving to be more concerned with raising children and men evolving to be more concerned with obtaining food and shelter.

I don't think you understand how evolution works.

And not all women are raised to like something one way. In fact, I don't think you really bother to get to know a variety of women.

[Dakini]

Not really. If you don't believe men and women should be treated equally, it's a fair appraisal for someone to consider you a bad person.

Im glad you came out of the woodwork to come fill my mouth with words I never said nor insinuated

Oh really? Then why'd you go shit on the idea of someone being a feminist if you think that women are equals who should be treated as such?

[United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy]

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

What's wrong with a good old wank every now and then?

Nothing. But rage-fapping because someone doesn't want you in that way is likely an indicator that you may need to re-evaluate how you view humans.

[Forster Keys]

Not really. If you don't believe men and women should be treated equally, it's a fair appraisal for someone to consider you a bad person.

Im glad you came out of the woodwork to come fill my mouth with words I never said nor insinuated

I like woodwork. I once made a lantern out of pine wood, plastic and tin.

But anyway, I'm not specifically referring to you, I'm just saying that it wasn't really a false dichotomy, whether or not you think it should be applied to you is another question.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

And if you want sex you should just go masturbate and feel guilty for wanting sex according to these guys here

...except not.

Or did you miss my "I wouldn't fuck a non-feminist because they're likely terrible in bed" comments?

I did. Very hypocritical.

[The Parkus Empire]

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

But isnt that dehumanizing to women according to you guys? To want their body is a terrible thing for yall

To objectify a woman independently of personhood is, yeah. To be so concerned with women's sexuality that you can't see them out of that context, is, yeah.

[Forster Keys]

What's wrong with a good old wank every now and then?

Nothing. But rage-fapping because someone doesn't want you in that way is likely an indicator that you may need to re-evaluate how you view humans.

Rage-fapping doesn't sound all too enjoyable. Point taken.

[The Parkus Empire]

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

What's wrong with a good old wank every now and then?

Nothing as long as it doesn't involve butthurt over your fantasy fucking someone else.

[United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy]

Nothing. But rage-fapping because someone doesn't want you in that way is likely an indicator that you may need to re-evaluate how you view humans.

Rage-fapping doesn't sound all too enjoyable. Point taken.

It's all in the delivery.

[Dakini]

Or actually, you know, be upfront instead of lusting and envying and then masturbating.

But isnt that dehumanizing to women according to you guys? To want their body is a terrible thing for yall

No. Wanting to have sex with a person is not the same as "wanting their body" or dehumanizing them. Treating a person like sex is the only thing they're good for or acting like you are entitled to have sex with a person for whatever reason is terrible. Wanting to enjoy some fun sexy times with them is not.