What do you think of same-sex church wedding ceremonies?

[Benuty]

What if a church wants to marry a same-sex couple? You're going to legally prohibit it? What happened to religious liberty?

If a Church wants to marry them, then fine, go ahead, but I don't want the Church to be forced to marry same-sex couples.

No one is forcing them to.

[Verbal Pararhea]

No one is forcing them to .

Actually, I am. I, along with the rest of the Freemason society, use our power to force churches to marry and accept gay people and to plant fake evidence for the Holocaust.

[The Silence of Night]

I know that, but it seemed like that's what he was suggesting.

what made you think that

Mostly misreading your post.
Not my night, I think I'm just gonna lurk.

[Grenartia]

If a Church wants to marry them, then fine, go ahead, but I don't want the Church to be forced to marry same-sex couples.

So far, no one has proposed forcing any temple of any religion to marry same-sex couples, and since even the most radical left-wingers do appreciate religious liberty and the separation of Church and State, I doubt you'll ever actually see a movement to do such a thing.

This, if for no other reason than we realize that doing so would give anti-SSM people a legitimate reason to oppose SSM.

[Grenartia]

its 10:13 est this thread has offical been derailed.

"Nurse, I'm calling time of Derail. Notify the OP and family... Hopefully we can get them to consider donating the ideas to needy topics."

Getting AQ'd.

[Blakk Metal]

why?

Indeed. There is NO logical, rational reason to go around arresting people of the same sex who want to get married. Its a fucking stupid idea. Its about as rational as solving world hunger by taking pieces of the moon and feeding it to the hungry.

But it's funny!

1. I wan to have a civil discussion.
2. Why is marriage between just a man and a woman? And please give a secular reason.
3. How is two gay men getting married a crime worthy of arresting people. It harms nobody.

1. Okay let us have one.

2. It justifies without tying in with religion. People are not born gay. We are all born straight. Please don't laugh at that. I will provide more evidence in a few minutes. You choose to be gay. You may think you're different when you're young, (Like that idiot Macklemore has stated) but honestly it isn't the case. Yes I was born straight, I never decided to be straight. so what sense does it make that I say people were never born gay? What I mean is I've always been straight and never chose it as I already was, so a gay person cannot per say choose their sexual orientation.

Please add quote marks.

But look at history. Let's go back to the ages where we were just starting out, were we just started communicating. were there any gays? no ,

[citation needed]

it was vital to breed with the same opposite sex as we needed to grow it felt good.

Corrected.

this whole idea of homosexuality dates back to who knows when.

I think the phrase you are looking for is 'time immemorial'.

however in modern years, and by modern i mean around 1950-2013 it seems there are more and more gays. now while marriage has always been between man and woman.

Incorrect. Although it has predominately been between a man and at least one woman, there have been isolated cases of gay marriage.

if a state wanted to legalize it then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually create that type of unionship.

"if a state wants to ban dick flashing then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually ban that type of crime."

3. It is a crime in iran, and other countries. soooo...?

WRONG AGAIN! It's buttsex that's prohibited!

if a country doesn't want those people yes.

So Germany was justified in committing the Holocaust?

Godwin's l-

*gets brick thrown at him*

False. I could cite you on that. That's like saying ww2 never happened, or the cuban war, or even the african war. Wars happened, hitler was real, but no jews were killed in camps. they were arrested or deported, never killed or gased. how dumb is that to kill people because of their religion or sexual orientation??? -.-

Then Auschwitz was...what then? A friggen preschool?

Obviously wanted to execute capital felons like California, but wholesale.

Duh.

its 10:13 est this thread has offical been derailed.

Now back on topic: The holocaust was faked so that 'pointless' discrimination would become unpopular, thus leading to faggots marrying in churches!

MASTER LOGIC

[Greed and Death]

If the church in question has no objection to it what business of it is mine ?

[Blahbania]

Oh god no, not the internet atheists... Here too?

No, they are secretly apart of the occult of liberal communist satanists whom plan to resurrect the dark warlock FDR with the help of marxist magic.

Pfft, atheists, do they even exist?

[Salandriagado]

It happens. Usually when a priest/pastor wants to marry a gay couple but their denomination/the law won't let them. For instance, Indiana has criminalized the solemnization of same-sex unions.

Basically, State and Federal Law can fuck itself when it comes to RELIGIOUS Church Ceremonies (of which includes Marriage)

No, it includes church weddings. Those have nothing to do with the institution of marriage, which is and always has been a legal construct.

[The Aztec Allience]

I'm a pretty devout Lutheran myself, and I go to church every Sunday, and I see no reason why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in church (probably biased, being gay myself). A few outdated passages in the Old Testament is not enough of a reason to say that people like me shouldn't be allowed to marry who we love in a religious manner. Gays can be faithful, and I imagine lesbians can to. We spend our entire lives being faithful to God and we deserve the right to marry like anybody else would. I don't give a shit about Leviticus 18:22, or about any other mildly anti gay passage in the Bible. Love is love, regardless of gender.

[Belauer]

Oh boy, the bible defines marriage as a man and a women. Sorry to correct you sir, but the bible also defines marriage as:

1. 2 men (David and Jonathan, making David the son-in-law of Saul twice)*
2. 1 man several women (Saul had many wives as did many other figures in the bible)
and those are all from the old testament

*David married Jonathan and one of Saul's daughters.

[Blekksprutia]

It happens. Usually when a priest/pastor wants to marry a gay couple but their denomination/the law won't let them. For instance, Indiana has criminalized the solemnization of same-sex unions.

Basically, State and Federal Law can fuck itself when it comes to RELIGIOUS Church Ceremonies (of which includes Marriage)

There's marriage and then there's Marriage.
marriage is when two people who love each other get married so they can grow old together.'
Marriage is when a man and a woman who don't love each other get married to share their wealth and prove a point to teh ebul gheyz trying to invade the Holy Institution of Marriage.

[Dyakovo]

It happens. Usually when a priest/pastor wants to marry a gay couple but their denomination/the law won't let them. For instance, Indiana has criminalized the solemnization of same-sex unions.

Basically, State and Federal Law can fuck itself when it comes to RELIGIOUS Church Ceremonies (of which includes Marriage)

Marriage is not a "religious church ceremony". It is a secular institution that provides numerous legal benefits.
A wedding can be a religious church ceremony, assuming the people getting married choose to have a religious wedding. This, however, is not required for you to have a valid marriage.

[Vazdania]

Basically, State and Federal Law can fuck itself when it comes to RELIGIOUS Church Ceremonies (of which includes Marriage)

Marriage is not a "religious church ceremony". It is a secular institution that provides numerous legal benefits.
A wedding can be a religious church ceremony, assuming the people getting married choose to have a religious wedding. This, however, is not required for you to have a valid marriage.

From a legal standpoint yes. its an agreement that provides legal benefits.
Yes.

[Grenartia]

Marriage is not a "religious church ceremony". It is a secular institution that provides numerous legal benefits.
A wedding can be a religious church ceremony, assuming the people getting married choose to have a religious wedding. This, however, is not required for you to have a valid marriage.

From a legal standpoint yes. its an agreement that provides legal benefits.
Yes.

Then if you acknowledge those points, why did you post what you did? Some sort of paranoia that your church is going to be forced to conduct same-sex marriages? If so, then your fears are completely unfounded, as nobody anywhere on this fucking planet is even considering forcing churches to marry ANYBODY. You're literally complaining about shit that doesn't happen, hasn't happened, and will never happen.

[Starkiller101]

I think its immoral and wrong

[Caecuser]

I think its immoral and wrong

Why? / How?

[Starkiller101]

I think its immoral and wrong

Why? / How?

IBecause its my beliefs that same sex marrige is wrong.

[Lupelia]

Why? / How?

IBecause its my beliefs that same sex marrige is wrong.

And those beliefs are?

[Caecuser]

Why? / How?

IBecause its my beliefs that same sex marrige is wrong.

Why is it that those are your beliefs though?

[Tenebriso]

I personally believe that:

- The Christian definition marriage is a holy constitution defined in the Bible, only for a man and a woman. Thus churches should not wed same-sex couples.
- But I don't mind if the civil marriages of same-sex couples go through, though.
- I have nothing against homosexuals.

And let me guess: Now you call me a homophobic. I hear that quite a lot for my opinion. Well guess what? I think it's illogical.

Fixed to make more sense.

The Episcopalians and other denominations would disagree with your first point.

Second point is ok.

Third Point: The what is the point of the topic?

[Starkiller101]

IBecause its my beliefs that same sex marrige is wrong.

And those beliefs are?

that gay marriage is a abomination and sex marriage should not be allowed

[Williamson]

And those beliefs are?

that gay marriage is a abomination and sex marriage should not be allowed

because?

[Lupelia]

And those beliefs are?

that gay marriage is a abomination and sex marriage should not be allowed

Care to elaborate on those points?

[Tenebriso]

Sex marriage should not be allowed? By Jove, we must forcibly divorce any person who had sex before their marriage.