What do you think of same-sex church wedding ceremonies?

[Geilinor]

There are many churches that are willing to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies. Regardless of your view of the Bible, who are you to impose your interpretation on them?

[Libertarian California]

Jeebus.

[Caecuser]

There are many churches that are willing to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies. Regardless of your view of the Bible, who are you to impose your interpretation on them?

Was that directed at the previous poster or in general?

[Geilinor]

There are many churches that are willing to perform same-sex wedding ceremonies. Regardless of your view of the Bible, who are you to impose your interpretation on them?

Was that directed at the previous poster or in general?

In general, but especially at the OP.

[Verbal Pararhea]

Since every Christian pretty much has to cherry pick the bible in order to be compatible with modern 21st century civilization anyway, I don't see the problem with Christians excluding the anti-gay parts of the bible. The book is impossible to follow perfectly, both due to internal contradictions and due to the fact that it contains moral edicts and advice that are rather primitive in comparison to our more developed knowledge and standards. As such, EVERYONE picks and chooses. That many choose to keep that anti-gay parts but choose to discard the parts inconvenient to their personal lives says more about them than it does about the bible.

[Geilinor]

Since every Christian pretty much has to cherry pick the bible in order to be compatible with modern 21st century civilization anyway, I don't see the problem with Christians excluding the anti-gay parts of the bible. The book is impossible to follow perfectly, both due to internal contradictions and due to the fact that it contains moral edicts and advice that are rather primitive in comparison to our more developed knowledge and standards. As such, EVERYONE picks and chooses. That many choose to keep that anti-gay parts but choose to discard the parts inconvenient to their personal lives says more about them than it does about the bible.

This^. I have never heard of a person who truly follows everything in the Bible, because some parts of it are contradictory or simply ridiculous to modern readers.

[Grenartia]

Since every Christian pretty much has to cherry pick the bible in order to be compatible with modern 21st century civilization anyway, I don't see the problem with Christians excluding the anti-gay parts of the bible. The book is impossible to follow perfectly, both due to internal contradictions and due to the fact that it contains moral edicts and advice that are rather primitive in comparison to our more developed knowledge and standards. As such, EVERYONE picks and chooses. That many choose to keep that anti-gay parts but choose to discard the parts inconvenient to their personal lives says more about them than it does about the bible.

This^. I have never heard of a person who truly follows everything in the Bible, because some parts of it are contradictory or simply ridiculous to modern readers.

But I like selling my daughters into slavery...

[Verbal Pararhea]

This^. I have never heard of a person who truly follows everything in the Bible, because some parts of it are contradictory or simply ridiculous to modern readers.

I don't know about you, but I still cure leprosy by sprinkling dove's blood on myself, releasing another dove to the wilds, and taking a shower.

[Fartsniffage]

This^. I have never heard of a person who truly follows everything in the Bible, because some parts of it are contradictory or simply ridiculous to modern readers.

But I like selling my daughters into slavery...

Money is money......

[Libremas]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

[Fartsniffage]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

English....do you speak it?

[Williamson]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

what?

[Blasveck]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

1. I wan to have a civil discussion.
2. Why is marriage between just a man and a woman? And please give a secular reason.
3. How is two gay men getting married a crime worthy of arresting people. It harms nobody.

[Libremas]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

what?

if a man and another man want to marry they should be arrested

[Cadia]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

Please re-phrase in a coherent form and with more information in order to give us a reasoning behind your answer.

[Williamson]

what?

if a man and another man want to marry they should be arrested

why?

[Grenartia]

if a man and another man want to marry they should be arrested

why?

Indeed. There is NO logical, rational reason to go around arresting people of the same sex who want to get married. Its a fucking stupid idea. Its about as rational as solving world hunger by taking pieces of the moon and feeding it to the hungry.

[Verbal Pararhea]

why?

Because the creator of a 13.7 billion year old cosmos wrote a book which he sent to the most remote part of Palestine informing them that he cares about the sexual proclivities of one species of primate on one planet among quadrillions.

[Blasveck]

why?

Indeed. There is NO logical, rational reason to go around arresting people of the same sex who want to get married. Its a fucking stupid idea. Its about as rational as solving world hunger by taking pieces of the moon and feeding it to the hungry.

But the moon is made of cheese so.....

[Libremas]

marriage man and woman. if not then arresting is in order

1. I wan to have a civil discussion.
2. Why is marriage between just a man and a woman? And please give a secular reason.
3. How is two gay men getting married a crime worthy of arresting people. It harms nobody.

1. Okay let us have one.

2. It justifies without tying in with religion. People are not born gay. We are all born straight. Please don't laugh at that. I will provide more evidence in a few minutes. You choose to be gay. You may think you're different when you're young, (Like that idiot Macklemore has stated) but honestly it isn't the case. Yes I was born straight, I never decided to be straight. so what sense does it make that I say people were never born gay? What I mean is I've always been straight and never chose it as I already was, so a gay person cannot per say choose their sexual orientation. But look at history. Let's go back to the ages where we were just starting out, were we just started communicating. were there any gays? no , it was vital to breed with the same sex as we needed to grow. this whole idea of homosexuality dates back to who knows when. however in modern years, and by modern i mean around 1950-2013 it seems there are more and more gays. now while marriage has always been between man and woman. if a state wanted to legalize it then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually create that type of unionship.

3. It is a crime in iran, and other countries. soooo...?

[Blasveck]

1. I wan to have a civil discussion.
2. Why is marriage between just a man and a woman? And please give a secular reason.
3. How is two gay men getting married a crime worthy of arresting people. It harms nobody.

1. Okay let us have one.

2. It justifies without tying in with religion. People are not born gay. We are all born straight. Please don't laugh at that. I will provide more evidence in a few minutes. You choose to be gay. You may think you're different when you're young, (Like that idiot Macklemore has stated) but honestly it isn't the case. Yes I was born straight, I never decided to be straight. so what sense does it make that I say people were never born gay? What I mean is I've always been straight and never chose it as I already was, so a gay person cannot per say choose their sexual orientation. But look at history. Let's go back to the ages where we were just starting out, were we just started communicating. were there any gays? no , it was vital to breed with the same sex as we needed to grow. this whole idea of homosexuality dates back to who knows when. however in modern years, and by modern i mean around 1950-2013 it seems there are more and more gays. now while marriage has always been between man and woman. if a state wanted to legalize it then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually create that type of unionship.

3. It is a crime in iran, and other countries. soooo...?

2. You were born straight, yes. Others are also born gay. According to the APA, and AMA, no choice is involved concerning your sexual orientation. Why would it be any different if you're gay? And homosexuals have literally been around forever. An the reason there seems to be more gay people is not because people "chose". It's because more gay people are coming out of the closet.

3. That doesn't make it okay.

[Verbal Pararhea]

1. Okay let us have one.

2. It justifies without tying in with religion. People are not born gay. We are all born straight. Please don't laugh at that. I will provide more evidence in a few minutes. You choose to be gay. You may think you're different when you're young, (Like that idiot Macklemore has stated) but honestly it isn't the case. Yes I was born straight, I never decided to be straight. so what sense does it make that I say people were never born gay? What I mean is I've always been straight and never chose it as I already was, so a gay person cannot per say choose their sexual orientation. But look at history. Let's go back to the ages where we were just starting out, were we just started communicating. were there any gays? no , it was vital to breed with the same sex as we needed to grow. this whole idea of homosexuality dates back to who knows when. however in modern years, and by modern i mean around 1950-2013 it seems there are more and more gays. now while marriage has always been between man and woman. if a state wanted to legalize it then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually create that type of unionship.

3. It is a crime in iran, and other countries. soooo...?

2. Indeed the notion of "gay" as an identity is recent historically. Documented instances of homosexual behavior and homosexual intercourse, however, are all throughout human (and non-human) history. "Gay" is an identity movement. Homosexuality is an observable phenomenon.

The idea that homosexual attraction must either exist from birth or be a choice is an absurd false dichotomy. I wasn't born with descended testicles. I wasn't born with facial hair. I wasn't born with teeth. But I didn't choose to develop those things either. And yet, here they are. Nature, nurture, and culture all play a role in psychosexual development, and very little of that is chosen.

Also, even if homosexuality were a choice, that is not sufficient to show that it's morally inexcusable. Posting on an internet forum is a choice, and no one here seems to think it's immoral.

3. This is just a basic is/ought fallacy.

[Williamson]

1. I wan to have a civil discussion.
2. Why is marriage between just a man and a woman? And please give a secular reason.
3. How is two gay men getting married a crime worthy of arresting people. It harms nobody.

1. Okay let us have one.

2. It justifies without tying in with religion. People are not born gay. We are all born straight. Please don't laugh at that. I will provide more evidence in a few minutes. You choose to be gay. You may think you're different when you're young, (Like that idiot Macklemore has stated) but honestly it isn't the case. Yes I was born straight, I never decided to be straight. so what sense does it make that I say people were never born gay? What I mean is I've always been straight and never chose it as I already was, so a gay person cannot per say choose their sexual orientation. But look at history. Let's go back to the ages where we were just starting out, were we just started communicating. were there any gays? no , it was vital to breed with the same sex as we needed to grow. this whole idea of homosexuality dates back to who knows when. however in modern years, and by modern i mean around 1950-2013 it seems there are more and more gays. now while marriage has always been between man and woman. if a state wanted to legalize it then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually create that type of unionship.

3. It is a crime in iran, and other countries. soooo...?

2 Their have been tons of scientist who says that being gay is not a choice, and even if it is a choice why does that matter

3 so?

[Grenartia]

1. I wan to have a civil discussion.
2. Why is marriage between just a man and a woman? And please give a secular reason.
3. How is two gay men getting married a crime worthy of arresting people. It harms nobody.

1. Okay let us have one.

2. It justifies without tying in with religion. People are not born gay. We are all born straight. Please don't laugh at that. I will provide more evidence in a few minutes. You choose to be gay. You may think you're different when you're young, (Like that idiot Macklemore has stated) but honestly it isn't the case. Yes I was born straight, I never decided to be straight. so what sense does it make that I say people were never born gay? What I mean is I've always been straight and never chose it as I already was, so a gay person cannot per say choose their sexual orientation. But look at history. Let's go back to the ages where we were just starting out, were we just started communicating. were there any gays? no , it was vital to breed with the same sex as we needed to grow. this whole idea of homosexuality dates back to who knows when. however in modern years, and by modern i mean around 1950-2013 it seems there are more and more gays. now while marriage has always been between man and woman. if a state wanted to legalize it then let them do it with a vote and see whether or not they'd actually create that type of unionship.

3. It is a crime in iran, and other countries. soooo...?

If people choose to be gay, then why would they actually choose to be gay, given people like yourself, who advocate arresting them (or even worse)? To say nothing of the fact that science has pretty much shown that homosexuality is not a choice (especially since people resorted to fucking TORTURE methods to try to "convert" gays), or that being LGBT is wrong even if it were a choice.

And yes, there were plenty of LGBT people THROUGOUT history.

And the reason why we have "more and more gays" is because the actual number has stayed relatively the same, but people are less afraid to come out of the closet (and rightfully so).

You don't put basic human rights up for popular vote.

So many fucking things are crimes in Iran and other authoritarian hellholes. Just because something is a crime there, doesn't mean it should be.

[Alyekra]

Same-Sex church wedding ceremonies are perverted and disgraceful.

However, whoever owns the church ought to be free to do –or not do- whatever perverted and disgraceful things they want.