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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:32 am

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Liriena wrote:So? How does that change the fact that we, as a civilization, have bypassed those limitations?


So what? The "heterosexual community" provides, and all relevant parties are happy! Children find a loving home in same-sex couples, same-sex couples get to discover the delights of parenthood, and society as a whole benefits from the reduced strain on the state's services for abandoned children and the increase in the rate of children raised in stable, loving homes.

Reality itself requires us to grant same-sex couples the possibility of marrying and raising children, otherwise we'll only get millions of children and adults living in indignity, and the mental and physical health of society as a whole will continue suffer from it.

Your sugar-coated perversion of the concept of "Nature" is irrelevant. The law has to deal with reality, and do so in terms that are efficient and reasonable for the greater good. Your proposals, as well as the ideas behind them, do not match that criteria, and deserve no validation under the law.


Homosexuals do not deserve children. The chose a path that stopped from letting them continue their legacy. They need to beg the straight for their children. Why must they have children any way? Those children will grow up frightened, and confused in a world that hates them. I would rather face a firing squad then be born into a homosexual family. Why would any one want to torture this worlds youth so ruthlessly.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:33 am

Central Kadigan wrote:
Fasternia wrote:What do you think of same-sex church wedding ceremonies?

The separation of Church and State is a two way street. The Church cannot tell the State what its laws should or should not be; and the State cannot force a Church to do anything against its own beliefs.

The first part of this is routinely ignored here in the US, as evangelical protestants constantly carve out special exclusions and recognition for their interpretation of their god to the exclusion of everyone else.

The second part pretty much means that a Church is free to preach whatever hatred and bigotry that it wants to on Sunday mornings. But, as soon as it steps out into the real world, it has to play by the same rules as everybody else.

So, to answer the OP directly - no, Churches cannot be required to perform same-sex unions. But, at the same time, the Church cannot force its outdated and blind bigotry to on the rest of us by passing it into law. Quite frankly, two committed gay people getting married doesn't affect the validity of my marriage any more than Newt Gingrich's fourth wife does.
See, the problem is churches are automatically "non profit" by default... if they had to pay taxes like every other business in the U.S. and therefore needed the money coming in from same-sex weddings, I wonder just how long that opposition would continue.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:37 am

Aquafireland wrote:Dis. Cus. Ting. It's horrendus. I bet it's so horrendus that chicken liver will fall out of the sky (which I hate).

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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:37 am

Aquafireland wrote:1. Dis. Cus. Ting. 2. It's horrendus. I bet it's so horrendus that chicken liver will fall out of the sky (which I hate).


1. I say the same thing about mushrooms. Does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to eat them?

2. No, whats horrendous is people being treated like second-class citizens for no good reason.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:39 am

Vazdania wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:I'll play.

"Everyone knows that God is incredibly turned on by homosexual sex, and easily distracted. The inability of homosexuals to keep it in their pants prevents God from doing his normal job of shielding humanity from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis and earthquakes. Killing untold thousands."

God is neither male nor female. God has no sexuality.

I see what you're doing here. It's the Asexual-pride-holy-comparison thing. It's getting old, Vaz.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:39 am

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sadly, I'm horrible at playing Devil's advocate. :p

I'll play.

"Everyone knows that God is incredibly turned on by homosexual sex, and easily distracted. The inability of homosexuals to keep it in their pants prevents God from doing his normal job of shielding humanity from hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis and earthquakes. Killing untold thousands."

:rofl: :hug:
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Postby Condunum » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:42 am

Blekksprutia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:God is neither male nor female. God has no sexuality.

I see what you're doing here. It's the Asexual-pride-holy-comparison thing. It's getting old, Vaz.

God has no sexuality just like god didn't kill people, didn't accept sacrifices, didn't want war, didn't wage wars himself, didn't incite wars, didn't incite genocide, didn't incite murder, didn't incite rape, didn't incite slavery... Yeah, he has no sexuality alright.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:43 am

Condunum wrote:
Blekksprutia wrote:I see what you're doing here. It's the Asexual-pride-holy-comparison thing. It's getting old, Vaz.

God has no sexuality just like god didn't kill people, didn't accept sacrifices, didn't want war, didn't wage wars himself, didn't incite wars, didn't incite genocide, didn't incite murder, didn't incite rape, didn't incite slavery... Yeah, he has no sexuality alright.

God is sooo gay. :p
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Postby Aquafireland » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:44 am

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:Dis. Cus. Ting. It's horrendus. I bet it's so horrendus that chicken liver will fall out of the sky (which I hate).

What's horrendus? I mean, I know what's horrendous, but what's horrendus?


Same-sex marriages, that's what.

Your a curious lad, aren't you?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:46 am

Blekksprutia wrote:
Condunum wrote:God has no sexuality just like god didn't kill people, didn't accept sacrifices, didn't want war, didn't wage wars himself, didn't incite wars, didn't incite genocide, didn't incite murder, didn't incite rape, didn't incite slavery... Yeah, he has no sexuality alright.

God is sooo gay. :p

Now you get it! :P


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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:46 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:What's horrendus? I mean, I know what's horrendous, but what's horrendus?


Same-sex marriages, that's what.

Your a curious lad, aren't you?

Interesting adjective choice.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:46 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:What's horrendus? I mean, I know what's horrendous, but what's horrendus?


Same-sex marriages, that's what.

Your a curious lad, aren't you?

Oh look! Two people who love each other getting married! That's horrendous! Shield your eyes, children! They love each other and they're getting married! That's vile! Why would they have the right to do that?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:46 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:What's horrendus? I mean, I know what's horrendous, but what's horrendus?


Same-sex marriages, that's what.

Your a curious lad, aren't you?


What is so horrendous about same-sex marriage? Explain yourself, and be sure not to appeal to nature, morality, tradition, slippery-slopes or strawmen.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:47 am

Liriena wrote:
Blekksprutia wrote:God is sooo gay. :p

Now you get it! :P


Also...hi, Condy. :kiss:

Doesn't he have a beard? :p
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:47 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:What's horrendus? I mean, I know what's horrendous, but what's horrendus?


Same-sex marriages, that's what.

Your a curious lad, aren't you?

Bet you don't have a logical reason to explain why same-sex marriage is disgusting or horrendous. Prove me wrong.
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Postby Aquafireland » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:47 am

Grenartia wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:1. Dis. Cus. Ting. 2. It's horrendus. I bet it's so horrendus that chicken liver will fall out of the sky (which I hate).


1. I say the same thing about mushrooms. Does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to eat them?

2. No, whats horrendous is people being treated like second-class citizens for no good reason.


I eat the occasional meal with mushrooms, but I don't really have much against them.

And, I guess your right, they are being treated like second-class citizens.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:49 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. I say the same thing about mushrooms. Does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to eat them?

2. No, whats horrendous is people being treated like second-class citizens for no good reason.


I eat the occasional meal with mushrooms, but I don't really have much against them.

And, I guess your right, they are being treated like second-class citizens.

And that's okay?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:49 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. I say the same thing about mushrooms. Does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to eat them?

2. No, whats horrendous is people being treated like second-class citizens for no good reason.


1. I eat the occasional meal with mushrooms, but I don't really have much against them.

2. And, I guess your right, they are being treated like second-class citizens.

1. And there goes your 'argument'.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:49 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. I say the same thing about mushrooms. Does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to eat them?

2. No, whats horrendous is people being treated like second-class citizens for no good reason.


I eat the occasional meal with mushrooms, but I don't really have much against them.

And, I guess your right, they are being treated like second-class citizens.

Yeah, but why would you find same-sex marriage disgusting or horrendous?
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:50 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. I say the same thing about mushrooms. Does that mean that people shouldn't be allowed to eat them?

2. No, whats horrendous is people being treated like second-class citizens for no good reason.


I eat the occasional meal with mushrooms, but I don't really have much against them.

And, I guess you're right, they are being treated like second-class citizens.

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Postby Aquafireland » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:50 am

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:
Same-sex marriages, that's what.

Your a curious lad, aren't you?

Bet you don't have a logical reason to explain why same-sex marriage is disgusting or horrendous. Prove me wrong.


Due to the fact that, if you marry someone from the same sex, you will eventually have sexual reactions with that person, which is logically understandable as absolutely horrid. :eyebrow:
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:52 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Bet you don't have a logical reason to explain why same-sex marriage is disgusting or horrendous. Prove me wrong.


Due to the fact that, if you marry someone from the same sex, you will eventually have sexual reactions with that person, which is logically understandable as absolutely horrid. :eyebrow:

What's wrong with having sexual relations with them?
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Postby Divair » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:52 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Bet you don't have a logical reason to explain why same-sex marriage is disgusting or horrendous. Prove me wrong.


Due to the fact that, if you marry someone from the same sex, you will eventually have sexual reactions with that person, which is logically understandable as absolutely horrid. :eyebrow:

No it isn't.

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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:52 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Bet you don't have a logical reason to explain why same-sex marriage is disgusting or horrendous. Prove me wrong.


Due to the fact that, if you marry someone from the same sex, you will eventually have sexual reactions with that person, which is logically understandable as absolutely horrid. :eyebrow:

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:53 am

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:
I eat the occasional meal with mushrooms, but I don't really have much against them.

And, I guess your right, they are being treated like second-class citizens.

Yeah, but why would you find same-sex marriage disgusting or horrendous?

Oh, come now, you've been around the block more than once. Some people simply cannot abide the different and the strange. In this case, perhaps Aquafireland is afraid that some homosexuals will find him so attractive that they will go out of their way to seduce and lure him into an icky relationship. I don't know, I'm just guessing, but that is sometimes the case when people express vaguely defined dislikes.
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