What do you think of same-sex church wedding ceremonies?

[Anachronous Rex]

According to Christianity, it was the Holy Spirit who did that...

So how did the Holy Spirit have sex with Mary?

Reverse cowgirl.

[Grave_n_idle]

Speculative. We know he had a kid with that Jewish chick.

The Christian Holy Spirit did that.

I think it's popularly claimed that Jesus was God's son.

You appear to be suggesting that the Holy Spirit serves a function kind of like God's Penis.

[Genivaria]

I'm not nearly as smart as I like to pretend I assure you.

Putting yourself down is another thing. It doesn't help your self-confidence at all. You need to trust in your abilities, and recognize what you do have.

.....you're right. Thanks, I think I needed that.

[Genivaria]

The Christian Holy Spirit did that.

I think it's popularly claimed that Jesus was God's son.

You appear to be suggesting that the Holy Spirit serves a function kind of like God's Penis.

Wow and I thought being a waiter sucked.

[Blasveck]

Putting yourself down is another thing. It doesn't help your self-confidence at all. You need to trust in your abilities, and recognize what you do have.

.....you're right. Thanks, I think I needed that.

Anytime

[Anachronous Rex]

I think it's popularly claimed that Jesus was God's son.

You appear to be suggesting that the Holy Spirit serves a function kind of like God's Penis.

Wow and I thought being a waiter sucked.

Makes you wonder about all those people who say that they were "moved by the holy spirit."

[Vazdania]

The Christian Holy Spirit did that.

I think it's popularly claimed that Jesus was God's son.

You appear to be suggesting that the Holy Spirit serves a function kind of like God's Penis.

Well from a Christian Perspective The Holy Spirit can be viewed as God's moving force....

[Liriena]

Oh, my...

What?

I couldn't be bothered to bring a George Takei "oh my" gif.

[Dyakovo]

So? How does that change the fact that we, as a civilization, have bypassed those limitations?


So what? The "heterosexual community" provides, and all relevant parties are happy! Children find a loving home in same-sex couples, same-sex couples get to discover the delights of parenthood, and society as a whole benefits from the reduced strain on the state's services for abandoned children and the increase in the rate of children raised in stable, loving homes.

Reality itself requires us to grant same-sex couples the possibility of marrying and raising children, otherwise we'll only get millions of children and adults living in indignity, and the mental and physical health of society as a whole will continue suffer from it.

Your sugar-coated perversion of the concept of "Nature" is irrelevant. The law has to deal with reality, and do so in terms that are efficient and reasonable for the greater good. Your proposals, as well as the ideas behind them, do not match that criteria, and deserve no validation under the law.

Homosexuals do not deserve children. The chose a path that stopped from letting them continue their legacy. They need to beg the straight for their children. Why must they have children any way? Those children will grow up frightened, and confused in a world that hates them. I would rather face a firing squad then be born into a homosexual family. Why would any one want to torture this worlds youth so ruthlessly.

Homosexuality is a choice? In that case, heterosexuality must be one as well. So tell me, when, exactly did you choose to no longer desire being buggered?

[Grave_n_idle]

I think it's popularly claimed that Jesus was God's son.

You appear to be suggesting that the Holy Spirit serves a function kind of like God's Penis.

Well from a Christian Perspective The Holy Spirit can be viewed as God's moving force....

*nudge nudge*

[Anachronous Rex]

Well from a Christian Perspective The Holy Spirit can be viewed as God's moving force....

*nudge nudge*

Remember kids: while poking people with your penis will probably get them to move, it is not a wise course of action.

[Ze Destroyers]

Why should they marry at all i ask you after all they can't raise a family outside of adoption and when it comes to adoption a child needs a mother and a father....I mean yeah sure 'EQUALLITY" and all of that scooby-doo liberal idiocracy but really why do they want to get married at all, are they after the benefits that comes from marriage and adoption i mean they don't really care about any kind of equallity do they?

They are just after their own agenda and the liberals are using them as strawmen against their opponents for their own gain and i personaly disagree with same sex marriage because it's just a silly idea that offers society nothing of value except for a libtardic rastafaresque college boy version of 'FREEDOM' and 'EQUALLITY' and all of that social retardation and what not.

Why don't they settle for same-sex unions?

Do they really have to bash the church and people's faith worldwide to prove a retarded point?

"A retarded point" I'm sorry but if you were banned from being recognized by the law as being together with the love of your life, you'd be pretty pissed. Don't be coming in here saying that it's stupid, because by all rights, you're proving how closed minded you are and how much of a annoyance the strict rules put on people because you're too scared to admit of anything but your precious god.

[Vazdania]

Well from a Christian Perspective The Holy Spirit can be viewed as God's moving force....

*nudge nudge*

I'm sorry?

[Qahadim]

*nudge nudge*

I'm sorry?

I believe you have been moved. Was it as good for you?

[Northern Dominus]

So how did the Holy Spirit have sex with Mary?

Reverse cowgirl.

Pretty racy stuff for biblical times. I don't think the pharisees would have approved of it...

[Grenartia]

I estimate that something like 30% of opposition to homosexuality is so that they can feel dirty when they do it.

I'd wager closer to 70%.

Same Sex Marrige should be illegal. I my self am not a christian, but I think that two members of same sex getting married is not right. 1. It does not make any sense. 2. Plus if we do allow gays to get married in more places imagine what would happen. Now say you have a nation of 200 million people. 3. 55% of your nation is homsexual. 4. That means 55% of your people cant produce children. Your nation suffer depopulation. If 45% of your population have kids. Whos say that kids that are born arent going to homosexual. That means population will ever so die. My conclusion is homosexualism is a gene not a life choice. A gene that without the properties of sterillization does its job through ensuring that the host has no offspring by being attracted to a member of the same sex. This is just a theory, not fact. Dont be mad at me please. Im not trying to "troll" anyone in any way. I am just stating a theory I have.

1. It makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is your argument.

2. They'd get married...?

3. Impossible.

4. Being homosexual =/= being infertile.

Really? Two men can reproduce? Two women can reproduce? I am talking about natural childbearing. Not adoptions, or surrogates. I am taliking real child birth.

Appeal to Nature with a good helping of Moving The Goalposts.

What makes "natural" reproduction better? What's wrong with adoption or surrogacy, especially given the sorry state of many adoption agencies?

Well, to MR's credit, adoption doesn't increase the birth rate. Surrogacy, however, DOES.

If homosexualism is a gene. You dont have to be homosexual to carry the gene. You dont have to be color blind in order to carry the gene. How would we know if the gene is spread evenly. Bound your family tree wont provide any answers. This gene is something to be feared. Because homosexualism has been on the rise. The anwers for why that is happening? How do we know who is containated with the gene. How do we know if our children have it? If it does exist of course. It is scary in a way. Global depopulation is scary.

Again, human sexuality is far too complex to be controlled by one gene.

Indeed.

Excuse me, kiddo, want to borrow my glasses? You don't seem to be very good at readin the posts of this thread... As multiple people said, homosexuals can reproduce.

AND RAWR I'M MORE GAY THAN NOT. FEAR ME FOR I POLLUTE CHILDREN'S MINDS AND MAKE GROWN MEN CRY.

Yes I understand, and respect your viewpoint. 1. But you need two very different reproductive organs in order to have a child. 2. I am talking about natural childbirth. Natural childbirth is the thing these homosexuals need in order to have a child. So they must go to the heterosexual community.

WIggity wiggity what the fuck?

1. Yes.
2. Why do you think "natural" childbirth is the only form of reproduction? Are children from surrogacy somehow "fakes"? Are they any less real? Do they not contribute to the population?

So? How does that change the fact that we, as a civilization, have bypassed those limitations?


So what? The "heterosexual community" provides, and all relevant parties are happy! Children find a loving home in same-sex couples, same-sex couples get to discover the delights of parenthood, and society as a whole benefits from the reduced strain on the state's services for abandoned children and the increase in the rate of children raised in stable, loving homes.

Reality itself requires us to grant same-sex couples the possibility of marrying and raising children, otherwise we'll only get millions of children and adults living in indignity, and the mental and physical health of society as a whole will continue suffer from it.

Your sugar-coated perversion of the concept of "Nature" is irrelevant. The law has to deal with reality, and do so in terms that are efficient and reasonable for the greater good. Your proposals, as well as the ideas behind them, do not match that criteria, and deserve no validation under the law.

1. Homosexuals do not deserve children. 2. The chose a path that stopped from letting them continue their legacy. 3. They need to beg the straight for their children. 4. Why must they have children any way? 5. Those children will grow up frightened, and confused in a world that hates them. 6. I would rather face a firing squad then be born into a homosexual family. 7. Why would any one want to torture this worlds youth so ruthlessly.

1. Earlier, you said it was genetic. So people choose their genes now?

2. lolwut.

3. No, they don't.

4. Not all do. Some WANT children. Some DON'T.

5. You know they said the same thing about children from interracial couples, right? And look at the load of bullshit that turned out to be.

6. You'd rather be killed than to be born to a family that is practially guaranteed to actually love you? Have you ever been to a therapist? Because that sounds like a pretty serious case of self-loathing you have there.

7. Having a loving family is torture now? Wow. As far as my parents go, I must've been one of the most tortured children in history.

There names will be Goku, Optimus Prime, Rainbow Dash, and Hulk Hogan

Hulk Hogan is indeed a fictional character. In the sense that I refuse to accept he's a real person.

I'm so sigging this.

1. I just think that homosexuals not try, and push themselves on us straight folk. 2. So what if you cant marry? 3. Just dont force your self on me. 4. If you are boyfriends so be it. 5. Getting married is a sacred bond between a man, and a women. 6. Thats the way its supposed to be. I will leave it at that. Good night gentlemen/ladies.

1. Contrary to popular belief, gay people don't constantly go around trying to have sex with every member of the same gender as them.

2. Its called being a second class citizen.

3. Nobody's using "I'm a second class citizen" as an excuse to rape heterosexuals.

4. But heaven forbid they want to be husbands.

5. And by not allowing people who love each other to get married, you're allowing for that sacred bond to be worth less.

6. Prove it.

You misunderstand the concept of forcing oneself on another. You, obviously, aren't gay. Don't marry a gay. By allowing them the privilege of marriage you aren't forced into anything. Not into accepting their values or beliefs. You, however, are forcing your values onto them by saying they can't.

Do you understand now, or should I google a child's pop up book so you can?

1. No they do not have the right. 2. What are we going to do soon legalize marrying your horse. 3. But the again according to you people, we would have to tolerate people marying horses. 4. I mean once you let one in, you got to let the other in. 5. I mean come what happened to moral value. 6. I myself am a theist misotheist, but 7. I still have strong morals. 8. This is unacceptable. 9. The only people who want the gays to get married is the gays them selves. Well guess what, literally a majority of places wont let you marry.

1. YAY FOR SECOND-CLASS CITIZENSHIP!!

2. Yes, because horses can give legal consent.

3. Since when have we said that?

4. You do realize slippery slope is a fallacy, right?

5. My morals tell me that somebody shouldn't be denied from doing something if it doesn't inherently deprive others of their reasonable rights without informed consent.

6. Dafuq does that mean?

7. And so do I.

8. No, denying people the right to pursue happiness for no good reason is unacceptable.

9. Demonstrably untrue.

You were a kid on the verge of puberty. At that age, even good kids can do horrible things.
I for one would gladly forgive you, since you've turned out to be a great person.

This.

According to Christianity, it was the Holy Spirit who did that...

So how did the Holy Spirit have sex with Mary?

I hear there's a fetish for that...

Homosexuals do not deserve children. The chose a path that stopped from letting them continue their legacy. They need to beg the straight for their children. Why must they have children any way? Those children will grow up frightened, and confused in a world that hates them. I would rather face a firing squad then be born into a homosexual family. Why would any one want to torture this worlds youth so ruthlessly.

Homosexuality is a choice? In that case, heterosexuality must be one as well. So tell me, when, exactly did you choose to no longer desire being buggered?

March 18, 1583.

[Breadknife]

Further, churches sell VDS, videotapes, books, etc. which people *gasp* have to pay for to receive.

VDS? VDs? They sell venerial diseases? Ban them!

/looks at keyboard, spots the probable typo.

[Breadknife]

Alright go around some town, saying "Yaaaaaaaaay, no more virginity." and see if you get some looks.

How about "Yaaaaaaaaay, no more appendix." or "Yaaaaaaaaay, I had my hair cut." or "Yaaaaaaaaay, do you like my new hat?"

Hang on, let's test this...

/goes outside.

Well, unfortunately there was nobody in the street (and I decided not to wander further into town), so no emperical proof as yet, but I'm fairly sure I'd be getting 'looks' for all of these statements. (Yes, I'd need to coordinate the removal of the hat for any attempt at the haircut one, and the appendix one is old news, but they don't know that...)

[Evil the Great]

Religious institutions should be allowed to decide who they wish, or do not wish to marry. Some protestant churches will probably gladly marry gays, along with fewer catholic and orthodox ones. Who gives a crap really? Religion is a private affair, and religious gays will now know what religion has the best stance on them. Also note that some of them are strong believers who do not give half a shit about the "issue". Allowing gays to marry was a smart move, and is a victory not only for freedom, but also for nature. Because homosexuality IS natural. But forcing churches to marry gays or whatever would be stupid as hell. It would strongly reinforce bigotry. STRONGLY. Religious communities that wish to marry gays have the right to do so. Those who do not, have the right to their opinion as well.

[Breadknife]

...various...

You're precious. I'd just love to display you in a glass case. Cheers, you made my day and now I can't stop grinning inanely.

[Breadknife]

Really? Two men can reproduce? Two women can reproduce? I am talking about natural childbearing. Not adoptions, or surrogates. I am taliking real child birth.

Really, really. Sperm and egg doners, a bisexual/pansexual person in a same-sex marriage could have a child, and science will find more ways.

And again, there is no proof the rates of homosexuals will rise to 55%.

..apart from that, if there is (for the sake of an argument) more "homosexualism genes" in a population and they are (somehow) breeding more "homosexualist" offspring, then they're an actual proof of concept in that having such a gene will not lead to low reproductive rates.

If they don't breed, then the hetero community will create all the offspring, balancing the genetic proportion (if, indeed, there's such an absolute and tangible thing as a genetic proportion) back in their own favour.

And, like it has already been said, of course two homosexuals will breed (somehow?) and/or raise homosexual children, because two heterosexuals always breed/raise heterosexual children. Right?

[Ifreann]

Wow and I thought being a waiter sucked.

Makes you wonder about all those people who say that they were "moved by the holy spirit."

Or filled with the Holy Spirit.

[Central Kadigan]

What do you think of same-sex church wedding ceremonies?

The separation of Church and State is a two way street. The Church cannot tell the State what its laws should or should not be; and the State cannot force a Church to do anything against its own beliefs.

The first part of this is routinely ignored here in the US, as evangelical protestants constantly carve out special exclusions and recognition for their interpretation of their god to the exclusion of everyone else.

The second part pretty much means that a Church is free to preach whatever hatred and bigotry that it wants to on Sunday mornings. But, as soon as it steps out into the real world, it has to play by the same rules as everybody else.

So, to answer the OP directly - no, Churches cannot be required to perform same-sex unions. But, at the same time, the Church cannot force its outdated and blind bigotry to on the rest of us by passing it into law. Quite frankly, two committed gay people getting married doesn't affect the validity of my marriage any more than Newt Gingrich's fourth wife does.

[Breadknife]

I want 4 children, at least. And I'll give them awesome names.

Please be careful with the names.

Up, Down, Strange and Charmed. (Then along come another two. And did I mention that they were all actually twins. "Hey! Wassup, Sup?")

[Aquafireland]

Dis. Cus. Ting. It's horrendus. I bet it's so horrendus that chicken liver will fall out of the sky (which I hate).