What do you think of same-sex church wedding ceremonies?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Crap, I'm gay?

Time to have an awkward talk with the wife.

I already heard.

Sweetie, I didn't mean to. I just watched that "Milk" movie, and thought that it made some sense, and by the time that I was crying at the candlelight vigil at the end, it turned out that one of my hands had found its way down the cutoff shorts of a young blonde boy....

[Drackmaria]

Well maybe just maybe people call it a right is because it is.
It is discrimination plain and simple.
You claim to have the right to deny gay couples the right to get married because of what you believe.
If I recall not so long ago in America a lot of people felt they had the right to deny black people the vote because of what they believed.
So my question is how is this any different.

Your religion should not tell other people what they can and can't do.

Oh and don't play the "oh no, atheists and secularists are going to bash me cause I hold outdated and discriminatory views, please feel sorry for me" card
Cause it carry no weight.
Its like the KKK claiming everyone bullies them because they aren't allowed to hang black people anymore.
Stop complaining and end discrimination.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I already heard.

Sweetie, I didn't mean to. I just watched that "Milk" movie, and thought that it made some sense, and by the time that I was crying at the candlelight vigil at the end, it turned out that one of my hands had found its way down the cutoff shorts of a young blonde boy....

I've known since the Book of Mormon!

[Dyakovo]

Obviously only the gays think gays ought to have rights.

Crap, I'm gay?

Time to have an awkward talk with the wife.

Same here... I guess we could hook up and our wives could as well...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Crap, I'm gay?

Time to have an awkward talk with the wife.

Same here... I guess we could hook up and our wives could as well...

Yeah, but...

Hmm.

Let me talk this over with my therapist first....

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Well maybe just maybe people call it a right is because it is.
It is discrimination plain and simple.
You claim to have the right to deny gay couples the right to get married because of what you believe.
If I recall not so long ago in America a lot of people felt they had the right to deny black people the vote because of what they believed.
So my question is how is this any different.

Your religion should not tell other people what they can and can't do.

Oh and don't play the "oh no, atheists and secularists are going to bash me cause I hold outdated and discriminatory views, please feel sorry for me" card
Cause it carry no weight.
Its like the KKK claiming everyone bullies them because they aren't allowed to hang black people anymore.
Stop complaining and end discrimination.

If you're a guy, and if I were gay? I would totally hook up with you for that.

[Dyakovo]

Same here... I guess we could hook up and our wives could as well...

Yeah, but...

Hmm.

Let me talk this over with my therapist first....

One night with me will cure you of your homosexuality.
*nods*

[Anachronous Rex]

Being that you're gay, aren't you the fairy?

Why would you assume I'm homosexual?

Probably just wishful thinking on his part.

You know how anti-gay bigots are...

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Well maybe just maybe people call it a right is because it is.
It is discrimination plain and simple.
You claim to have the right to deny gay couples the right to get married because of what you believe.
If I recall not so long ago in America a lot of people felt they had the right to deny black people the vote because of what they believed.
So my question is how is this any different.

Your religion should not tell other people what they can and can't do.

Oh and don't play the "oh no, atheists and secularists are going to bash me cause I hold outdated and discriminatory views, please feel sorry for me" card
Cause it carry no weight.
Its like the KKK claiming everyone bullies them because they aren't allowed to hang black people anymore.
Stop complaining and end discrimination.

If you're a guy, and if I were gay? I would totally hook up with you for that.

Well, technically they do have the right if there's enough willing to vote at once.

Y'know, democracy and all. That's how the 18th amendment passed.

[Greater Beggnig]

I don't quite understand this. I personally believe that:

- Marriage is a holy constitution defined in the Bible, only for a man and a woman. Thus churches should not wed same-sex couples.
- Civil marriage is a contract between two people. Are contracts a human right? Nope.
- But I don't mind if the civil marriages of same-sex couples go through, though. As long as they don't wed in churches.
- I have nothing against homosexuals, but I don't think they should get married, at least in churches.

And let me guess: Now you call me a racist bastard someone who discriminates homosexuals. I hear that quite a lot for my opinion. Well guess what? Don't YOU discriminate ME for my religious opinion?

You haven't read your bible correctly.

One good example of how the Bible definition of Marriage is flawed is this.

“If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days." Deuteronomy 22:28–29

If your daughter was raped, would you marry her off to the rapist? No.

However, if the Bible is God's Word, and it's Laws are His commands, one cannot simply pick and choose what they uphold, and what they do not.

Another examples of a rule that is flawed:

Deuteronomy 22:11
"You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, as of woolen and linen together."
Not morally wrong, and not insensible.

And there are countless more.
If you are going to uphold some rules from a book of the Bible and then not consider a rule just a few sentences later to be important, then why would you use the Bible as a moral framework?

[Herador]

-snip-

But that would take like, work and stuff. I mean, have you tasted pork? Shit's delicious!

[Herrebrugh]

Who are you to decide that the Remonstrant Brotherhood shouldn't wed homosexuals?

[Greater Beggnig]

-snip-

But that would take like, work and stuff; I mean, have you tasted pork? Shit's delicious!

Yes. But Christians believe that Jesus cleaned the world again, so we could eat Pork and Bacon! I must admit, if that's true, Jesus was awesome!

[Ang Ling]

Why do people say same-sex marriage is a human right?

Because it is. Take a look at the recent parliamentary debate on the subject in the New Zealand parliament. You might find it informative.

[Jehuddah]

I don't quite understand this. I personally believe that:

- Marriage is a holy constitution defined in the Bible, only for a man and a woman. Thus churches should not wed same-sex couples.
- Civil marriage is a contract between two people. Are contracts a human right? Nope.
- But I don't mind if the civil marriages of same-sex couples go through, though. As long as they don't wed in churches.
- I have nothing against homosexuals, but I don't think they should get married, at least in churches.

And let me guess: Now you call me a racist bastard who discriminates homosexuals. I hear that quite a lot for my opinion.

Marriage existed before your magic sky faerie was dreamed up.

You are wrong, marriage is a religious institution.

[Jehuddah]

Well maybe just maybe people call it a right is because it is.
It is discrimination plain and simple.
You claim to have the right to deny gay couples the right to get married because of what you believe.
If I recall not so long ago in America a lot of people felt they had the right to deny black people the vote because of what they believed.
So my question is how is this any different.

Your religion should not tell other people what they can and can't do.

Oh and don't play the "oh no, atheists and secularists are going to bash me cause I hold outdated and discriminatory views, please feel sorry for me" card
Cause it carry no weight.
Its like the KKK claiming everyone bullies them because they aren't allowed to hang black people anymore.
Stop complaining and end discrimination.

Giving gays those "rights" will only encourage them.
We need to discourage them, not to encourage them!

[Gelgisith]

I don't quite understand this. I personally believe that:

- Marriage is a holy constitution defined in the Bible, only for a man and a woman. Thus churches should not wed same-sex couples.

And noone (except some state legislatures) is saying they should.

- Civil marriage is a contract between two people. Are contracts a human right? Nope.
- But I don't mind if the civil marriages of same-sex couples go through, though. As long as they don't wed in churches.

And noone (except some state legislatures) is saying they should.

- I have nothing against homosexuals, but I don't think they should get married, at least in churches.

And let me guess: Now you call me a racist bastard someone who discriminates homosexuals. I hear that quite a lot for my opinion. Well guess what? Don't YOU discriminate ME for my religious opinion?

Here in Holland, we have separation of church and state, which goes so far that a church marriage has no validity if there's not also a contract signed before a civil servant. On the other hand, a civil contract is valid, even if there was no religious ceremony.

The problem arises from the American practice, where the priest also acts as a civil servant ("With the authority vested in me...") In some states a marriage license can only be obtained from a (licensed!) religious figure. This leads to many people (apparently including you) believing that marriage is strictly a religious matter. It is not. The aforementioned states are just lazy, delegating the marriage process to licensed marriage makers (again "With the authority vested in me..."), which some states demand to be religious leaders.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yeah, but...

Hmm.

Let me talk this over with my therapist first....

One night with me will cure you of your homosexuality.
*nods*

But I'm....

Yeah, okay, let's try it.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

One night with me will cure you of your homosexuality.
*nods*

But I'm....

Yeah, okay, let's try it.

And so, one man literally falls into a trap.

EDIT: Or woman

dammit you people need signs or something.

[Herador]

Marriage existed before your magic sky faerie was dreamed up.

You are wrong, marriage is a religious institution.

Well, that's that guys, time to pack it in, apparently we're all just wrong.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't quite understand this. I personally believe that:

- Marriage is a holy constitution defined in the Bible, only for a man and a woman. Thus churches should not wed same-sex couples.
- Civil marriage is a contract between two people. Are contracts a human right? Nope.
- But I don't mind if the civil marriages of same-sex couples go through, though. As long as they don't wed in churches.
- I have nothing against homosexuals, but I don't think they should get married, at least in churches.

And let me guess: Now you call me a racist bastard someone who discriminates homosexuals. I hear that quite a lot for my opinion. Well guess what? Don't YOU discriminate ME for my religious opinion?

By the way, my church is ABSOLUTELY okay with same sex marriages. Are you saying that we shouldn't perform them?

[Herador]

I don't quite understand this. I personally believe that:

- Marriage is a holy constitution defined in the Bible, only for a man and a woman. Thus churches should not wed same-sex couples.
- Civil marriage is a contract between two people. Are contracts a human right? Nope.
- But I don't mind if the civil marriages of same-sex couples go through, though. As long as they don't wed in churches.
- I have nothing against homosexuals, but I don't think they should get married, at least in churches.

And let me guess: Now you call me a racist bastard someone who discriminates homosexuals. I hear that quite a lot for my opinion. Well guess what? Don't YOU discriminate ME for my religious opinion?

By the way, my church is ABSOLUTELY okay with same sex marriages. Are you saying that we shouldn't perform them?

Considering the OP? Probably.

[Dyakovo]

Marriage existed before your magic sky faerie was dreamed up.

You are wrong, marriage is a religious institution.

No, actually I'm not. I'm married, yet no religious individuals were involved at any point.

[Neu Preussische Republik]

It's as I tell most people when asked about these kinds of things, I've taken this stance and I've kept this stance for quite some time now.
I don't care what other people do, as long as it doesn't affect me or my life, or anything I own.

[Herador]

You are wrong, marriage is a religious institution.

No, actually I'm not. I'm married, yet no religious individuals were involved at any point.

But you see, according to Jehudda, we're just wrong and that's that.