Democracy vs. Fascism

[The Grey Wolf]

Then they will. Through fierce regimetation, reeducation, and imprisomment. Anarchy is not acceptable in a fascist nation.

You prove again, all your totalitarian rhetoric is made with the assumption you're going to be the leader.

You're never going to lead anyone. You can't even lead yourself, posting on forums about how desperately you want to be ruled by a dictator so you can be free from freedom, and thus not a sheep, however the fuck that works.

Personally I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the Duce/Fuhrer/Caudillo whatnot. His views would probably not be the same as mine, but it would be something I would have to accept.

[Abasha]

Well, I am sorry to say this but there are not many non-democratic countries left that aren't home to a large population of Muslims, who are notoriously anti-homosexuals. I think in a modern authoritarian country, one who has the interest of its people at its heart, I think it would be legalized. Besides I am a lesbian who is for gay-rights, but not for the LGBT movement.

Generalizations about people, especially Muslims, is not okay.

I was referring to the countries in the Middle East, especially Iran. Is it not okay to say that they are definitely anti-homosexual?

[Blasveck]

Great. A completely immoral system, with regimentation and force.
Remind me again how Nazi Germany was a good thing?

Because unless you supported Hitler's ideas concerning Jews, you should just stop.

Not immoral. Its a system that observes absolute order. Thoughs who are not productive members of a society must be removed. If an organ fails your remove it.

Yes it is immoral. Humanity is not meant to be a machine. Efficiency is not the end goal. It never has been.

[Zathganastan]

Better a dictatorship by the few who are strong and smart than a dictatorship by the majority who are mostly comprised of ignoramuses...

Better stability, order, progress, and firm decisions than pointless politicking, bickering, gridlocking, and gaming by elected reps...

Yeah the argument for fascism always tends to fall flat in this department.Not that the whole, lack of civil rights, disappearances in the night, or being victim to the will of some madman aren't equally as idiotic.

[Pacifornia]

A better and funnier metaphor

Fascist dictators are like 4 year old kids throwing temper tantrums and cause damage to the house when mommy (the public) doesn't let them eat ice cream before dinner. Dictators want people to pay attention to them and submit to their demands or else they will bring destruction to the public's lives

[The Misotheist Reich]

Not immoral. Its a system that observes absolute order. Thoughs who are not productive members of a society must be removed. If an organ fails your remove it.

Yes it is immoral. Humanity is not meant to be a machine. Efficiency is not the end goal. It never has been.

We are all cogs in a machine. We must all work to make sure the machine works. If a cog stops working, it must be removed, and replaced. Its simple.

[Blasveck]

Better a dictatorship by the few who are strong and smart than a dictatorship by the majority who are mostly comprised of ignoramuses...

Better stability, order, progress, and firm decisions than pointless politicking, bickering, gridlocking, and gaming by elected reps...

Holy fucking shit. Are you ignoring what we're saying? You probably are.

The few are just as stupid and ignorant and corruptible as the many, as the politicians you hate.

[Abasha]

A better and funnier metaphor

Fascist dictators are like 4 year old kids throwing temper tantrums and cause damage to the house when mommy (the public) doesn't let them eat ice cream before dinner. Dictators want people to pay attention to them and submit to their demands or else they will bring destruction to the public's lives

Once again I will cite Francisco Franco, someone who worked for his country and was notorious for his "decent" civil rights record. After all, he managed to say in power some 30 odd years after Mussolini and Hitler, so he must of done something right.

[God Kefka]

A better and funnier metaphor

Fascist dictators are like 4 year old kids throwing temper tantrums and cause damage to the house when mommy (the public) doesn't let them eat ice cream before dinner. Dictators want people to pay attention to them and submit to their demands or else they will bring destruction to the public's lives

No... just no

This is one of the stupidest comparisons I have ever heard. I could tell you a much more apt comparison between elected reps in a democracy and dogs but I'm not going to sink to your level...

[Everia]

Stop that.

How?

Well, lets see here...
1. Franco managed to keep his country out of WWII despite extreme pressure from all sides
2. Franco increased Spain's economic productivity after a particularly destructive civil war
3. Ensured a peaceful transition of power after his death
4. He revived Spanish nationalism
5. Encouraged Spanish unity
6. Established structures to feed people after the Spanish Civil War
7. Enabled Spain's survival as an independent force without communist or capitalist influence
8. Started the Spanish Miracle which is described as the following: "the time of the greatest sustained economic development and general improvement in living standards in all of Spanish history."

Now compare that to neighboring Portugal, who also stayed neutral during WWII. To me Franco seemed like an alright guy!


http://www.spain-barcelona.com/general/ ... franco.htm
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/spanishcase/francisco_franco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Miracle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_ ... e-Payne2-8

Don't forget his suppression of political dissidents and opposition, deviation from fascism to just a typical authoritarian military dictatorship, and that peaceful transition of power was not by Franco, but by Juan Carlos.

[Blasveck]

Yes it is immoral. Humanity is not meant to be a machine. Efficiency is not the end goal. It never has been.

We are all cogs in a machine. We must all work to make sure the machine works. If a cog stops working, it must be removed, and replaced. Its simple.

And what, praytell is the end goal?

I keep repeating this to you.
Central Planning has never worked. It didn't work for Hitler, and it won't work for you.

[Zathganastan]

Yes it is immoral. Humanity is not meant to be a machine. Efficiency is not the end goal. It never has been.

We are all cogs in a machine. We must all work to make sure the machine works. If a cog stops working, it must be removed, and replaced. Its simple.

We're people not parts, we created society as a means of bettering or lives not destroying them.

[Luveria]

A better and funnier metaphor

Fascist dictators are like 4 year old kids throwing temper tantrums and cause damage to the house when mommy (the public) doesn't let them eat ice cream before dinner. Dictators want people to pay attention to them and submit to their demands or else they will bring destruction to the public's lives

Once again I will cite Francisco Franco, someone who worked for his country and was notorious for his "decent" civil rights record. After all, he managed to say in power some 30 odd years after Mussolini and Hitler, so he must of done something right.

Franco wasn't a fascist.

[Frisivisia]

Yes it is immoral. Humanity is not meant to be a machine. Efficiency is not the end goal. It never has been.

We are all cogs in a machine. We must all work to make sure the machine works. If a cog stops working, it must be removed, and replaced. Its simple.

All in all, you're just another brick in the wall.

Not me though. I'm in high public office. I'm standing on top of the wall, taking a piss off of it, cog. Now get back to work.

[The Grey Wolf]

Once again I will cite Francisco Franco, someone who worked for his country and was notorious for his "decent" civil rights record. After all, he managed to say in power some 30 odd years after Mussolini and Hitler, so he must of done something right.

Franco wasn't a fascist.

Yes he was.

[Blasveck]

We are all cogs in a machine. We must all work to make sure the machine works. If a cog stops working, it must be removed, and replaced. Its simple.

All in all, you're just another brick in the wall.

Not me though. I'm in high public office. I'm standing on top of the wall, taking a piss off of it, cog. Now get back to work.

You never cease to make me laugh Biden.

[The Grey Wolf]

We are all cogs in a machine. We must all work to make sure the machine works. If a cog stops working, it must be removed, and replaced. Its simple.

All in all, you're just another brick in the wall.

Not me though. I'm in high public office. I'm standing on top of the wall, taking a piss off of it, cog. Now get back to work.

I bow to Mussolini not you.

[The Misotheist Reich]

Better a dictatorship by the few who are strong and smart than a dictatorship by the majority who are mostly comprised of ignoramuses...

Better stability, order, progress, and firm decisions than pointless politicking, bickering, gridlocking, and gaming by elected reps...

Holy fucking shit. Are you ignoring what we're saying? You probably are.

The few are just as stupid and ignorant and corruptible as the many, as the politicians you hate.

No, politicians are far worse. They are idiots put up on a podium by an even bigger, and incompetent majority. Politicans in a Democracy are by far the worst. They are slaves to Interest groups, the incomptent majority, and greed.

[Abasha]

Once again I will cite Francisco Franco, someone who worked for his country and was notorious for his "decent" civil rights record. After all, he managed to say in power some 30 odd years after Mussolini and Hitler, so he must of done something right.

Franco wasn't a fascist.

Franco was indeed a fascist.

[Everia]

Franco wasn't a fascist.

Yes he was.

No, he wasn't.

[Blasveck]

Holy fucking shit. Are you ignoring what we're saying? You probably are.

The few are just as stupid and ignorant and corruptible as the many, as the politicians you hate.

No, politicians are far worse. They are idiots put up on a podium by an even bigger, and incompetent majority. Politicans in a Democracy are by far the worst. They are slaves to Interest groups, the incomptent majority, and greed.

And the elites are stupid, incompetent, skaves to interest groups, and greed.

[God Kefka]

Democracy trains leaders to win elections... not to govern properly.

Winning elections means conforming to the self-destructive urges of a largely incompetent majority of sheep...

As a result, leaders in democracies are invariably bootlicking, oily, slick manipulators who never govern with a firm hand in the right direction... OR they are idiots elected by other idiots.

What we need is an alternative system where a small minority of really strong and smart people lead with zero regards for the majority of incompetent people. Only then can we move forward with a firm hand...

Democracy is stagnant and self-destructive

[God Kefka]

No, politicians are far worse. They are idiots put up on a podium by an even bigger, and incompetent majority. Politicans in a Democracy are by far the worst. They are slaves to Interest groups, the incomptent majority, and greed.

And the elites are stupid, incompetent, skaves to interest groups, and greed.

Not if they are qualified, smart, and strong and not bound by the interests of an incompetent and self-destructive majority of sheep...

[Abasha]

Yes he was.

No, he wasn't.

He was absolutely a fascist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/spanishcase/francisco_franco

[Blasveck]

Democracy trains leaders to win elections... not to govern properly.

Winning elections means conforming to the self-destructive urges of a largely incompetent majority of sheep...

As a result, leaders in democracies are invariably bootlicking, oily, slick manipulators who never govern with a firm hand in the right direction... OR they are idiots elected by other idiots.

What we need is an alternative system where a small minority of really strong and smart people lead with zero regards for the majority of incompetent people. Only then can we move forward with a firm hand...

Democracy is stagnant and self-destructive

Who trains those to govern properly?
You haven't answered this.