Democracy vs. Fascism

[The Grey Wolf]

It depends on how much value you place on people with the same genitalia getting hitched. I honestly don't care if authoritarian countries have never legalized LGBT marriage. I don't consider it human rights.

You prove my point. Fascists don't give a fuck about human rights or people's happiness. You have the hypocritical arrogance to call everyone else sheep, while you're frothing at the mouth with fantasies of blindly serving a totalitarian leader with absolute power over you. Fuck logic.

I just don't consider two dudes or two gals getting married much of a big deal. If they legalize it, fine, just not my problem.

[The Misotheist Reich]

So because democracy misses up every now then, only sensible choice is to have one person take charge and do whatever the hell they want completely devoid of any restrictions?

Thats a rather frightening world view to hold.

Especially when democracies generally have a record of success, while fascism has the worst track record of any ideological system.

Well to ensure economic prosperity by any means possible. No minimum wage, No over time, No labor unions, no strikes. Almost every aspect of a fascist economy.

You have no idea what fascism is.

Every Fascist reigme illegalized the things I listed. Especially in Die größere Deutsches Reich or as you call National Socialist Germany.

[Zathganastan]

Especially when democracies generally have a record of success, while fascism has the worst track record of any ideological system.

I actually find that rather amusing just how so many self proclaimed fascists will label others as sheep when at the core of their own ideology they're practically crazing to be crushed under the boot and heel of some supreme leader.

Every Fascist reigme illegalized the things I listed. Especially in Die größere Deutsches Reich or as you call National Socialist Germany.

Not that it is but care to explain why this is supposed to be a good thing.

[Luveria]

You prove my point. Fascists don't give a fuck about human rights or people's happiness. You have the hypocritical arrogance to call everyone else sheep, while you're frothing at the mouth with fantasies of blindly serving a totalitarian leader with absolute power over you. Fuck logic.

I just don't consider two dudes or two gals getting married much of a big deal. If they legalize it, fine, just not my problem.

Social backwardness and fascism go hand in hand.

Well to ensure economic prosperity by any means possible. No minimum wage, No over time, No labor unions, no strikes. Almost every aspect of a fascist economy.

Every Fascist reigme illegalized the things I listed. Especially in Die größere Deutsches Reich or as you call National Socialist Germany.

So Pinochet's Chile was fascist?

You don't know anything about fascism.

Especially when democracies generally have a record of success, while fascism has the worst track record of any ideological system.

I actually find that rather amusing just how so many self proclaimed fascists will label others as sheep when at the core of their own ideology they're practically crazing to be crushed under the boot and heel of some supreme leader.

"Yeah well, you're just a sheep for caring about democracy! I'm off to blindly serve an unelected Fuhrer BECAUSE I'M NOT A SHEEP LIKE YOU!"

[The Misotheist Reich]

Especially when democracies generally have a record of success, while fascism has the worst track record of any ideological system.

I actually find that rather amusing just how so many self proclaimed fascists will label others as sheep when at the core of their own ideology they're practically crazing to be crushed under the boot and heel of some supreme leader.

Democracy allows an incompetent mass to vote in slaves for political offices. So the slaves can bow down to them. A leader in a Fascist state bows to no one. He is not a slave, but a leader a liberator.

[Luveria]

I actually find that rather amusing just how so many self proclaimed fascists will label others as sheep when at the core of their own ideology they're practically crazing to be crushed under the boot and heel of some supreme leader.

Democracy allows an incompetent mass to vote in slaves for political offices. So the slaves can bow down to them. A leader in a Fascist state bows to no one. He is not a slave, but a leader a liberator.

You act as if you'd be the leader.

[Blasveck]

I actually find that rather amusing just how so many self proclaimed fascists will label others as sheep when at the core of their own ideology they're practically crazing to be crushed under the boot and heel of some supreme leader.

Democracy allows an incompetent mass to vote in slaves for political offices. So the slaves can bow down to them. A leader in a Fascist state bows to no one. He is not a slave, but a leader a liberator.

Here's the funny thing, since you can't understand jokes.
You call people sheep, when your leader will treat you just the same.

Like sheep. Or worse, cattle.

[The Misotheist Reich]

Democracy allows an incompetent mass to vote in slaves for political offices. So the slaves can bow down to them. A leader in a Fascist state bows to no one. He is not a slave, but a leader a liberator.

You act as if you'd be the leader.

I could work as both leader, and servant preferably leader. To lead others to something greater than themselves.

[Luveria]

Democracy allows an incompetent mass to vote in slaves for political offices. So the slaves can bow down to them. A leader in a Fascist state bows to no one. He is not a slave, but a leader a liberator.

Here's the funny thing, since you can't understand jokes.
You call people sheep, when your leader will treat you just the same.

Like sheep. Or worse, cattle.

Cattle.

You act as if you'd be the leader.

I could work as both leader, and servant preferably leader. To lead others to something greater than themselves.

And if they don't want to be lead by you?

[The Misotheist Reich]

Here's the funny thing, since you can't understand jokes.
You call people sheep, when your leader will treat you just the same.

Like sheep. Or worse, cattle.

Cattle.

I could work as both leader, and servant preferably leader. To lead others to something greater than themselves.

And if they don't want to be lead by you?

Then they will. Through fierce regimetation, reeducation, and imprisomment. Anarchy is not acceptable in a fascist nation.

[Pacifornia]

Your leader will answer to Fortune 500.

Way to fucking go.

Yes in my system. Buisness is part of the government. There are no regulations on corporate bodies within the nation. There are no labor unions. Tax rates are low for corporations. Small buisness is banned. And corporations must stay within the nation.

I can see it now: Industrial wastelands where all flora and fauna are extinct, the air is toxic and your citizens must wear gas masks. Sounds like a paradise as envisioned by Monsanto.

[Ziegenhain]

Cattle.


And if they don't want to be lead by you?

Then they will. Through fierce regimetation, reeducation, and imprisomment. Anarchy is not acceptable in a fascist nation.

Then you'll cause a civil war, lose more then likely, and be imprisoned for life or something in the aftermath.

I'll take anarchy over brutal oppression and tyranny.

[Abasha]

I hate democracy, as it is rule by a great number of sheep who can be influenced in any manner of ways. Most people cannot handle the privilege and responsibility that a vote can bring to a person, therefore they are influenced and use their vote foolishly, thus furthering the influence of a few. I am a monarchist, but in the argument of fascism versus democracy, I would say that fascism would be better in my opinion.

Besides, Franco was a good leader!

I notice in your sig it says "Pro: Gay-rights."

Are you aware all the countries with legalized same-sex marriage are democracies, and not one non-democratic country has same-sex marriage legalized?

Well, I am sorry to say this but there are not many non-democratic countries left that aren't home to a large population of Muslims, who are notoriously anti-homosexuals. I think in a modern authoritarian country, one who has the interest of its people at its heart, I think it would be legalized. Besides I am a lesbian who is for gay-rights, but not for the LGBT movement.

[Luveria]

Cattle.


And if they don't want to be lead by you?

Then they will. Through fierce regimetation, reeducation, and imprisomment. Anarchy is not acceptable in a fascist nation.

You prove again, all your totalitarian rhetoric is made with the assumption you're going to be the leader.

You're never going to lead anyone. You can't even lead yourself, posting on forums about how desperately you want to be ruled by a dictator so you can be free from freedom, and thus not a sheep, however the fuck that works.

[Blasveck]

Cattle.


And if they don't want to be lead by you?

Then they will. Through fierce regimetation, reeducation, and imprisomment. Anarchy is not acceptable in a fascist nation.

Great. A completely immoral system, with regimentation and force.
Remind me again how Nazi Germany was a good thing?

Because unless you supported Hitler's ideas concerning Jews, you should just stop.

[Blasveck]

I notice in your sig it says "Pro: Gay-rights."

Are you aware all the countries with legalized same-sex marriage are democracies, and not one non-democratic country has same-sex marriage legalized?

Well, I am sorry to say this but there are not many non-democratic countries left that aren't home to a large population of Muslims, who are notoriously anti-homosexuals. I think in a modern authoritarian country, one who has the interest of its people at its heart, I think it would be legalized. Besides I am a lesbian who is for gay-rights, but not for the LGBT movement.

Generalizations about people, especially Muslims, is not okay.

[Luveria]

I notice in your sig it says "Pro: Gay-rights."

Are you aware all the countries with legalized same-sex marriage are democracies, and not one non-democratic country has same-sex marriage legalized?

Well, I am sorry to say this but there are not many non-democratic countries left that aren't home to a large population of Muslims, who are notoriously anti-homosexuals. I think in a modern authoritarian country, one who has the interest of its people at its heart, I think it would be legalized. Besides I am a lesbian who is for gay-rights, but not for the LGBT movement.

Authoritarian countries never have the interests of its people at heart. The only interests at heart are those of the regime. I have yet to see any exceptions.

[Kinnickinee]

To start the debate off, I'd like to bring up one of my criticisms of fascism, one that is based on what is best for the nation, rather than any notion of civil rights (which fascists tend not to recognize):

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Oh my word... my inner Devil's Advocate makes me NEEEED to counterpoint this saying. I'm not even a fascist!! But... I'm a Devil's Advocate and MUST destroy EVERY TALKING POINT!! ALL OF THEM!!

Alright. So my counter argument is "If 'power corrupts' and 'absolute power corrupts absolutely,' then democracy, which gives absolute power to the majority vote, is the worst form of government, as it absolutely corrupts the majority of the people. At least fascism only corrupts one person absolutely."

(This is at least the case for a "democracy", perhaps not a "democratic republic", but the thread title is "Democracy vs. Fascism", so technically "majority has absolute power" is a true assessment of democracy under this debate)

Sorrysorrysorry. Not a fascist, but I can't control my Devil's Advocate instincts.

[Luveria]

To start the debate off, I'd like to bring up one of my criticisms of fascism, one that is based on what is best for the nation, rather than any notion of civil rights (which fascists tend not to recognize):

"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Oh my word... my inner Devil's Advocate makes me NEEEED to counterpoint this saying. I'm not even a fascist!! But... I'm a Devil's Advocate and MUST destroy EVERY TALKING POINT!! ALL OF THEM!!

Alright. So my counter argument is "If 'power corrupts' and 'absolute power corrupts absolutely,' then democracy, which gives absolute power to the majority vote, is the worst form of government, as it absolutely corrupts the majority of the people. At least fascism only corrupts one person absolutely."

(This is at least the case for a "democracy", perhaps not a "democratic republic", but the thread title is "Democracy vs. Fascism", so technically "majority has absolute power" is a true assessment of democracy under this debate)

Sorrysorrysorry. Not a fascist, but I can't control my Devil's Advocate instincts.

No country is a direct democracy. No majority has absolute power, so your points are invalid based on that.

[Kinnickinee]

Oh my word... my inner Devil's Advocate makes me NEEEED to counterpoint this saying. I'm not even a fascist!! But... I'm a Devil's Advocate and MUST destroy EVERY TALKING POINT!! ALL OF THEM!!

Alright. So my counter argument is "If 'power corrupts' and 'absolute power corrupts absolutely,' then democracy, which gives absolute power to the majority vote, is the worst form of government, as it absolutely corrupts the majority of the people. At least fascism only corrupts one person absolutely."

(This is at least the case for a "democracy", perhaps not a "democratic republic", but the thread title is "Democracy vs. Fascism", so technically "majority has absolute power" is a true assessment of democracy under this debate)

Sorrysorrysorry. Not a fascist, but I can't control my Devil's Advocate instincts.

No country is a direct democracy. No majority has absolute power, so your points are invalid based on that.

Totally explained. Title of the thread is "democracy vs. fascism", not "democratic republic vs. fascism." So my devil's advocacy is completely valid, regardless of whether or not OP is mislabeled.

[The Misotheist Reich]

Then they will. Through fierce regimetation, reeducation, and imprisomment. Anarchy is not acceptable in a fascist nation.

Great. A completely immoral system, with regimentation and force.
Remind me again how Nazi Germany was a good thing?

Because unless you supported Hitler's ideas concerning Jews, you should just stop.

Not immoral. Its a system that observes absolute order. Thoughs who are not productive members of a society must be removed. If an organ fails your remove it.

[God Kefka]

Better a dictatorship by the few who are strong and smart than a dictatorship by the majority who are mostly comprised of ignoramuses...

Better stability, order, progress, and firm decisions than pointless politicking, bickering, gridlocking, and gaming by elected reps...

[Pacifornia]

Here's fascism in it's most primitive form (oh wait, it already is!)
20,000 BCE
Location: Subglacial Europe

Grunk: You woman, me big strong male. You be mate for me
Unga: Me know you leave after me give birth, so me no mate for you

Grunk proceeds to smash Unga in her head with a large rock.

Moral of the story: fascism is represented by Grunk. Democracy and common sense by Unga. Fascism is dangerous kids, m'kay?

[Abasha]

I hate democracy, as it is rule by a great number of sheep who can be influenced in any manner of ways. Most people cannot handle the privilege and responsibility that a vote can bring to a person, therefore they are influenced and use their vote foolishly, thus furthering the influence of a few. I am a monarchist, but in the argument of fascism versus democracy, I would say that fascism would be better in my opinion.

sheep

Stop that.

Besides, Franco was a good leader!

How?

Well, lets see here...
1. Franco managed to keep his country out of WWII despite extreme pressure from all sides
2. Franco increased Spain's economic productivity after a particularly destructive civil war
3. Ensured a peaceful transition of power after his death
4. He revived Spanish nationalism
5. Encouraged Spanish unity
6. Established structures to feed people after the Spanish Civil War
7. Enabled Spain's survival as an independent force without communist or capitalist influence
8. Started the Spanish Miracle which is described as the following: "the time of the greatest sustained economic development and general improvement in living standards in all of Spanish history."

Now compare that to neighboring Portugal, who also stayed neutral during WWII. To me Franco seemed like an alright guy!


http://www.spain-barcelona.com/general/ ... franco.htm
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/spanishcase/francisco_franco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Miracle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_ ... e-Payne2-8

[Luveria]

No country is a direct democracy. No majority has absolute power, so your points are invalid based on that.

Totally explained. Title of the thread is "democracy vs. fascism", not "democratic republic vs. fascism." So my devil's advocacy is completely valid, regardless of whether or not OP is mislabeled.

You know when people on NSG say "democracy" they really mean "representative democracy."

Better a dictatorship by the few who are strong and smart than a dictatorship by the majority who are mostly comprised of ignoramuses...

Better stability, order, progress, and firm decisions than pointless politicking, bickering, gridlocking, and gaming by elected reps...

Fascism has such a great track record doesn't it?