Does God Exist?

[Hydronium]

I am sorry about my "Flawed Logic," I usually stay in books of the Bible like Revelation. In other words, I spend most of my Bible time in prophesy.

[The USOT]

Because every ideology has extremists?

Thats like saying if beleif in america is correct, how come some americans blow up abortion clinics? A completely nonsensical statement.

Thank you. Also, not all extremists follow the teachings of Islam. One of the rules Muhhamed gave for conduct in warfare was not to kill innocents. Another was not to kill trees. (That last one makes sense in context.) Plenty of extremists have killed both. Also, killing Christians and Jews was wrong, as they were also Abrahamic religions. Extremists don't really count.

I have yet to read any of the Hadith, but what context is there to not kill trees?

[Dyakovo]

The difference is that in Christianity, the extremists are few and far between, while Islamic attack happen every day.

Out of 2.2 billion people who are Christians, do you really think there are FEW extremists?

Percentage wise, I'd say its an accurate statement.

[Shaggai]

OK then, let's talk about Islam. Islam has a story about the golden calf and Moses, right. And, correct me if I'm wrong, it said that a Samaritan led the people to betray God.

Uh... What? I mean, the golden calf, yeah, that dates all the way back to Judaism. But what are you talking about with a Samaritan and why is that relevant?

[Abritus]

God created man in his image and after that he gave him and her the right to choose either to sin or to follow his ways and he didn't make us perfect neither and what is this perfect universe that you speak of please define to me what exactly is a 'perfect universe'?

A perfect universe is where right wing reactionaries don't exist, and everyone is having big socialist orgy parties. At least that's what I am getting the gist of.

'Sigh' everyone is a socialist wiseguy these days i guess.The universe is not perfect to 'US' human beings.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Out of 2.2 billion people who are Christians, do you really think there are FEW extremists?

Percentage wise, I'd say its an accurate statement.

That's true

[Ainin]

How can your god be perfect if he cannot be understood? And I'm a social democrat, thank you very much.

Still on the left side there pal, anyway we cannot understand him because we are not perfect and yet he is.

If we cannot understand him, he's not perfect. A perfect being would be perfectly rational and understandable.

[Hydronium]

OK then, let's talk about Islam. Islam has a story about the golden calf and Moses, right. And, correct me if I'm wrong, it said that a Samaritan led the people to betray God.

Uh... What? I mean, the golden calf, yeah, that dates all the way back to Judaism. But what are you talking about with a Samaritan and why is that relevant?

Yes or No?

[Dyakovo]

I said "boundaries" of reason, not "my reason".

A perfect barometer is the perfect machine model. If you think God is perfect, then why didn't he create a perfect universe in which he wouldn't have to interfere, and if he did, why do you think he's needed to run the show and intervene?

God created man in his image and after that he gave him and her the right to choose either to sin or to follow his ways and he didn't make us perfect neither and what is this perfect universe that you speak of please define to me what exactly is a 'perfect universe'?

Where is the empirical proof of this?

"God" didn't create man, man created the gods to explain phenomenon he didn't understand.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

God created man in his image and after that he gave him and her the right to choose either to sin or to follow his ways and he didn't make us perfect neither and what is this perfect universe that you speak of please define to me what exactly is a 'perfect universe'?

Where is the empirical proof of this?

"God" didn't create man, man created the gods to explain phenomenon he didn't understand.

Also, I think abiogenesis and evolution takes care of the issue of "where do we come from?" without relying on divine revelations.

[Shaggai]

Thank you. Also, not all extremists follow the teachings of Islam. One of the rules Muhhamed gave for conduct in warfare was not to kill innocents. Another was not to kill trees. (That last one makes sense in context.) Plenty of extremists have killed both. Also, killing Christians and Jews was wrong, as they were also Abrahamic religions. Extremists don't really count.

I have yet to read any of the Hadith, but what context is there to not kill trees?

Desert context. Olive trees or whatever kind of trees it was, I forget, were a major food source. It goes with the one about not killing livestock or destroying fields.

Of course, I'm not Muslim, I'm just remembering history class. I could be completely wrong. If any of NSG's resident Muslims stop by, feel free to correct me.

[Agorya]

A perfect universe is where right wing reactionaries don't exist, and everyone is having big socialist orgy parties. At least that's what I am getting the gist of.

'Sigh' everyone is a socialist wiseguy these days i guess.The universe is not perfect to 'US' human beings.

Not a soc, was being sarcastic. Anyway on topic, I think people believe in God because they fear death. Which is perfectly reasonable imo.

[Hydronium]

Technically, the concept of God is ambiguous, but I'd rather believe in God and there turn out to be no God than to not believe in God and go to Hell.

[Abritus]

Still on the left side there pal, anyway we cannot understand him because we are not perfect and yet he is.

If we cannot understand him, he's not perfect. A perfect being would be perfectly rational and understandable.

The world is not perfect to us the human race and just because you don't understand him does not mean that you should deny him because science while mathematics are an exact form of science most of the material there is theoretical meaning that scientists don't know how exactly things work but they have temporary established theories in order to get some ground on the given subject meaning that just because it is not perfect to your eyes it shouldn't exist.

[Mavorpen]

If we cannot understand him, he's not perfect. A perfect being would be perfectly rational and understandable.

The world is not perfect to us the human race and just because you don't understand him does not mean that you should deny him because science while mathematics are an exact form of science most of the material there is theoretical meaning that scientists don't know how exactly things work but they have temporary established theories in order to get some ground on the given subject meaning that just because it is not perfect to your eyes it shouldn't exist.

So what you're saying is, God doesn't exist?

[Rawrckia]

Introducing the God FAQ

Q: Does God exist?
A: Yep.

Q: Does the specific God I believe in exist?
A: Unlikely.

Q: Was Jesus Christ a real person?
A: Yep.

Q: Was Jesus Christ the Son of God?
A: There is no scientific evidence that Jesus did in fact rise from the grave and ascend to Heaven.

Does God look like a person?
A: Unlikely.

Is God watching me type a response to this?
A: Unlikely.

Does God know exactly what I'll respond?
A: Unlikely.

Why do religions exist if we don't know what God is actually like? Or if there is more than one God, or if He is as powerful as claimed in different holy books, etc.?
A: Religion is rooted in faith and belief, and not scientific fact. Hence I have as much reason for being Christian as someone else has for being a neo-pagan. I believe I am more likely to be correct than a neo-pagan but I have no evidence to prove otherwise.

Also, to people who claim that "it's silly for humans to not understand God", think of an ant's brain compared to a human's brain. An almighty Creator isn't likely to use the same logic as us, or even speak the same language.

[Divair]

Technically, the concept of God is ambiguous, but I'd rather believe in God and there turn out to be no God than to not believe in God and go to Hell.

Pascal's Wager is a fallacy.

[Ainin]

If we cannot understand him, he's not perfect. A perfect being would be perfectly rational and understandable.

The world is not perfect to us the human race and just because you don't understand him does not mean that you should deny him because science while mathematics are an exact form of science most of the material there is theoretical meaning that scientists don't know how exactly things work but they have temporary established theories in order to get some ground on the given subject meaning that just because it is not perfect to your eyes it shouldn't exist.

tl;dr You still can't justify the existence of God.

[Shaggai]

Uh... What? I mean, the golden calf, yeah, that dates all the way back to Judaism. But what are you talking about with a Samaritan and why is that relevant?

Yes or No?

I have no idea. Who is this Samaritan and what does he or she have to do with this?

Just make your point as if I said yes and I can tear apart all of the other holes. Meanwhile I can see if I remember anything about this Samaritan.

[Conscentia]

I do not possess a concept of god, nor am I aware of the existence of any such concept. I am unaware of any evidence that suggests that there exists any entities/entity which should be regarded a god.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If we cannot understand him, he's not perfect. A perfect being would be perfectly rational and understandable.

The world is not perfect to us the human race and just because you don't understand him does not mean that you should deny him because science while mathematics are an exact form of science most of the material there is theoretical meaning that scientists don't know how exactly things work but they have temporary established theories in order to get some ground on the given subject meaning that just because it is not perfect to your eyes it shouldn't exist.

Then if the world is perfect, and humanity is perfect, then why does he have to intervene in human or natural affairs?

You see, the contention is that a god who is perfect must be perfectly rational and understandable. Meaning that if he created the universe in perfection and humans perfectly then he shouldn't have to butt in human affairs or natural affairs, as there is no necessity. Also, if he knew we were fallible, he shouldn't have punished Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden like he did (assuming such story is true).

[Hydronium]

Technically, the concept of God is ambiguous, but I'd rather believe in God and there turn out to be no God than to not believe in God and go to Hell.

Pascal's Wager is a fallacy.

A John 3:16 statement is almost unique to Christianity.

[Dyakovo]

Technically, the concept of God is ambiguous, but I'd rather believe in God and there turn out to be no God than to not believe in God and go to Hell.

Pascal's Wager fails, and it fails hard.

[Divair]

Pascal's Wager is a fallacy.

A John 3:16 statement is almost unique to Christianity.

You don't have any clue what Pascal's Wager is, do you?

[Agymnum]

God probably doesn't exist, so quit worrying about it and go enjoy your life.