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by Black Prince Alliance » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:01 am

by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:03 am
Black Prince Alliance wrote:Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/

by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:03 am
The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:[incredibly clever pro-god comment]
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/

by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:06 am

by Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:06 am
Black Prince Alliance wrote:I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.
Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by Dyakovo » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:07 am
The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:[incredibly clever pro-god comment]

by Pandeeria » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:08 am
Soldati senza confini wrote:Black Prince Alliance wrote:I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.
Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.
Does it take a strong willed person? Really?!
I think it takes a strong will to doubt yourself and begin to think on your own. Be honest to yourself and ask yourself: do you believe in X because this is what it was taught to you to believe in, or because you honestly believe in it?
Most people are taught to believe, but they never believe honestly in what they have been raised to believe in, because as soon as they encounter others who have a different belief, they tend to try to silence the opposition, which makes them look like the ones who can't defend their convictions without resorting to violence, therefore making themselves look like the inferior ones.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

by Tsuntion » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:09 am
Black Prince Alliance wrote:I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.
Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Jumpin' on the SOURCE-TRAIN!
CHOO CHOO MUFUKA! We be ridin' the rails, checkin' the trails, you get nothin' and your argument fails!

by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:09 am
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/

by The Parkus Empire » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:10 am

by Dyakovo » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:12 am

by Duvniask » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:18 am

by Black sol » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:25 am
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Black sol wrote:
That makes as much sense as saying all christians are jews to an extent, we have given them two words for a reason no matter how small you think the difference is.
Tough people can not be 100% sure there is no god(s), they can still be a 100% sure that they do not believe in such a being(s).
What the hell are you talking about? It's impossible to fully disprove the existence of the gods, therefore atheists are agnostics because they believe to an extent (however small it is) that there's a possibility a god may exist. This has nothing to do with being certain in your own beliefs.

by Duvniask » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:31 am
Black sol wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:What the hell are you talking about? It's impossible to fully disprove the existence of the gods, therefore atheists are agnostics because they believe to an extent (however small it is) that there's a possibility a god may exist. This has nothing to do with being certain in your own beliefs.
What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.

by Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:34 am
Black sol wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:What the hell are you talking about? It's impossible to fully disprove the existence of the gods, therefore atheists are agnostics because they believe to an extent (however small it is) that there's a possibility a god may exist. This has nothing to do with being certain in your own beliefs.
What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/

by Black sol » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:42 am
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Black sol wrote:
What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.
First of all, lrn 2 English.
Secondly, you're operating under the false assumption that "atheism" and "agnosticism" are mutually exclusive.

by Tsuntion » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:58 am
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Jumpin' on the SOURCE-TRAIN!
CHOO CHOO MUFUKA! We be ridin' the rails, checkin' the trails, you get nothin' and your argument fails!

by Black sol » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:07 am
Tsuntion wrote:Black sol wrote:
Really?...
Why is that a false assumption? I dont disbelive you, I'm just wondering.
Atheism means that you do not believe in a god.
Agnosticism means that you do not claim absolute knowledge on whether there is a god.
Gnostic theist: "I believe in a god -- here, let me prove it to you."
Agnostic theist: "I believe in a god, but I'm not certain it exists."
Agnostic atheist: "I don't believe in any gods, but sure, they might exist."
Gnostic atheist: "I don't believe in any gods -- here, let me prove that there are none."
The questions of belief and of knowledge are different. One can have separate positions on them.
Most self-proclaimed agnostics and most self-proclaimed atheists are agnostic atheists who just emphasise different parts of their worldview.


by Ermarian » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:20 am

by Ashmoria » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:06 am
Blasveck wrote:Hello everyone! I don't know why I like these kinds of topics. I just do.
So, for this discussion, I would like the debate open and fair, and for neither side to insult the other, simply debate the topic. For those that believe, please state your reasons why, and for those that do not, please state your reasons why and debate. Again, no ad hominem attacks. I want a clean debate. And be sure to source!
One last thing: Have fun!
Also: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

by Tyriece » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:08 am
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