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Postby Black Prince Alliance » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:01 am

I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.

Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.

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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:02 am

[incredibly clever pro-god comment]

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:03 am

Black Prince Alliance wrote:Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.

"Strong will"? Is that what they call it these days? I seem to know it by a different name.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:03 am

The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:[incredibly clever pro-god comment]

Such comments exist?
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:06 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:[incredibly clever pro-god comment]

Such comments exist?

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:06 am

Black Prince Alliance wrote:I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.

Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.


Does it take a strong willed person? Really?!

I think it takes a strong will to doubt yourself and begin to think on your own. Be honest to yourself and ask yourself: do you believe in X because this is what it was taught to you to believe in, or because you honestly believe in it?

Most people are taught to believe, but they never believe honestly in what they have been raised to believe in, because as soon as they encounter others who have a different belief, they tend to try to silence the opposition, which makes them look like the ones who can't defend their convictions without resorting to violence, therefore making themselves look like the inferior ones.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:07 am

The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:[incredibly clever pro-god comment]

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:08 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Black Prince Alliance wrote:I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.

Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.


Does it take a strong willed person? Really?!

I think it takes a strong will to doubt yourself and begin to think on your own. Be honest to yourself and ask yourself: do you believe in X because this is what it was taught to you to believe in, or because you honestly believe in it?

Most people are taught to believe, but they never believe honestly in what they have been raised to believe in, because as soon as they encounter others who have a different belief, they tend to try to silence the opposition, which makes them look like the ones who can't defend their convictions without resorting to violence, therefore making themselves look like the inferior ones.


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Postby Tsuntion » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:09 am

Black Prince Alliance wrote:I consider myself a Christian, but as much as I want everyone to believe, I feel you need to come to that belief of your own free will. It's a faith journey. Anyone can say screw it i don't care. Takes a strong willed person to follow a crazy old set of rules and believe in somthing that can't be seen or heard.


I'm not so sure that that strong will is a virtue. Looks pretty like stubbornly being set in one's own ways and refusing to accept new evidence and so on.

Does God exist? That's something you have to decide for yourself. What's the harm in asking Him? If not, so you've just talked to yourself for a few minutes. Not a huge loss.


I believed in him for years. I got saved at 10, and loved being a Christian. I prayed often; I enjoyed church; I wanted to read the Bible; I've asked that question and settled on "yes, he does exist".

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:09 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Such comments exist?

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

-Benjamin Franklin



Actually a misquote I think but who gives a fuck?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:10 am

Black Prince Alliance wrote:strong willed

These
crazy

are not synonymous
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:12 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Black Prince Alliance wrote:strong willed

These
crazy

are not synonymous

They do go well together though...
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Postby Duvniask » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:18 am

I don't think there's any reason to think so.

So probably not.
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Postby Black sol » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:25 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Black sol wrote:
That makes as much sense as saying all christians are jews to an extent, we have given them two words for a reason no matter how small you think the difference is.
Tough people can not be 100% sure there is no god(s), they can still be a 100% sure that they do not believe in such a being(s).

What the hell are you talking about? It's impossible to fully disprove the existence of the gods, therefore atheists are agnostics because they believe to an extent (however small it is) that there's a possibility a god may exist. This has nothing to do with being certain in your own beliefs.


What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.

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Postby Duvniask » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:31 am

Black sol wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:What the hell are you talking about? It's impossible to fully disprove the existence of the gods, therefore atheists are agnostics because they believe to an extent (however small it is) that there's a possibility a god may exist. This has nothing to do with being certain in your own beliefs.


What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.


I'm sorry what?

Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:34 am

Black sol wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:What the hell are you talking about? It's impossible to fully disprove the existence of the gods, therefore atheists are agnostics because they believe to an extent (however small it is) that there's a possibility a god may exist. This has nothing to do with being certain in your own beliefs.


What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.

First of all, lrn 2 English.

Secondly, you're operating under the false assumption that "atheism" and "agnosticism" are mutually exclusive.
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Postby Black sol » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:42 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Black sol wrote:
What I mean is, why do you try so hard to lump togeather athists and agnostics? As I se it Athists are desided on not beliving in a god, were agnostics are undesided or belive in earth power or some other spiritual power.
I can understand you saying that Athists have Agnostic tendencies but to say that they ARE agnostic is were you put me off. Thats why I made the comperrason with christians being jews.

First of all, lrn 2 English.

Secondly, you're operating under the false assumption that "atheism" and "agnosticism" are mutually exclusive.


Really?...
Why is that a false assumption? I dont disbelive you, I'm just wondering.

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Postby Tsuntion » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:58 am

Black sol wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:First of all, lrn 2 English.

Secondly, you're operating under the false assumption that "atheism" and "agnosticism" are mutually exclusive.


Really?...
Why is that a false assumption? I dont disbelive you, I'm just wondering.


Atheism means that you do not believe in a god.
Agnosticism means that you do not claim absolute knowledge on whether there is a god.

Gnostic theist: "I believe in a god -- here, let me prove it to you."
Agnostic theist: "I believe in a god, but I'm not certain it exists."
Agnostic atheist: "I don't believe in any gods, but sure, they might exist."
Gnostic atheist: "I don't believe in any gods -- here, let me prove that there are none."

The questions of belief and of knowledge are different. One can have separate positions on them.

Most self-proclaimed agnostics and most self-proclaimed atheists are agnostic atheists who just emphasise different parts of their worldview.
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Postby Black sol » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:07 am

Tsuntion wrote:
Black sol wrote:
Really?...
Why is that a false assumption? I dont disbelive you, I'm just wondering.


Atheism means that you do not believe in a god.
Agnosticism means that you do not claim absolute knowledge on whether there is a god.

Gnostic theist: "I believe in a god -- here, let me prove it to you."
Agnostic theist: "I believe in a god, but I'm not certain it exists."
Agnostic atheist: "I don't believe in any gods, but sure, they might exist."
Gnostic atheist: "I don't believe in any gods -- here, let me prove that there are none."

The questions of belief and of knowledge are different. One can have separate positions on them.

Most self-proclaimed agnostics and most self-proclaimed atheists are agnostic atheists who just emphasise different parts of their worldview.


Thanks, very helpfull ^^ Guess that makes me a Antitheism agnostic atheist... O.o

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:09 am

Divair wrote:Probably not.


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Postby Ermarian » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:20 am

There's probably no god. There might be one, but if so, their existence has never had any noticeable impact on any observable aspect of our world, so their existence is irrelevant. Basically, since there is no evidence for god, their existence can likewise be dismissed without evidence against (Russel's teapot).

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Postby Valentir » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:59 am

I believe in a god but he couldn't exist. I'll just slap a maybe on this question.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:06 am

Blasveck wrote:Hello everyone! I don't know why I like these kinds of topics. I just do.
So, for this discussion, I would like the debate open and fair, and for neither side to insult the other, simply debate the topic. For those that believe, please state your reasons why, and for those that do not, please state your reasons why and debate. Again, no ad hominem attacks. I want a clean debate. And be sure to source!

One last thing: Have fun!

Also: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God


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Postby Tyriece » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:08 am

I dono, why dont we ask the other 10000 threads that ask the same thing were everyone makes the same stupid arguments over and over again??
....But to answer your question, i dont know if there is or is not and no one else dose either. If there is, i am pretty sure it dose not need to be worshiped so i wouldn't worry about it.
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Postby Arakzhei » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:11 am

I believe God (for me Jesus Christ) does exist, and may help us in some cases.

Other than that, I think his powers are very limited, but everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

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