Does God Exist?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I can't conceivably see any way I'll revert from my atheism.

You lose a limb, this loss of limb is confirmed by medical professionals and documented by photography and you remain sans limb for some weeks or months, a theistic friend prays for you, your limb grows back, no natural explanations are found. They demonstrate the same thing with a variety of other people. Would you then be willing to revert from your atheism? At that point, being an atheist is denying evidence otherwise. I mean, that situation won't ever come up, but it would be evidence for a god if it did.

I would, but there is little purpose to discuss hypothetical scenarios that have no chance of happening.

[The Orson Empire]

I can't conceivably see any way I'll revert from my atheism.

You lose a limb, this loss of limb is confirmed by medical professionals and documented by photography and you remain sans limb for some weeks or months, a theistic friend prays for you, your limb grows back, no natural explanations are found. They demonstrate the same thing with a variety of other people. Would you then be willing to revert from your atheism? At that point, being an atheist is denying evidence otherwise. I mean, that situation won't ever come up, but it would be evidence for a god if it did.

Human limbs don't grow back.

[Mavorpen]

But you said on that post that you "just did" prove that her religion isn't therapeutic.

Yes. Which isn't to say that "religion isn't therapeutic." Saying, "Christianity is a load of bullshit," isn't the same as "religion is a load of bullshit." That would be silly considering I'm a Buddhist.

[Kubrath]

Oh come on, you're gonna play tomatoes, tomatoes on me? You can define hell in many different ways. From a separation from God to an actual place of fire and brimstone. Regardless, however, it is still punishment after death. Your hell is your punishment after death; what it is is open to interpretation, but it's definitely there.

No, it's not. That's kinda the point.

Yes, it is, read the Bible.

[The Steel Magnolia]

He didn't ask for evidence.

Why would I do that when it isn't my claim?

But you said on that post that you "just did" prove that her religion isn't therapeutic.

oh stop trying. His arrogance knows no bounds.

[Dyakovo]

I can't conceivably see any way I'll revert from my atheism.

You lose a limb, this loss of limb is confirmed by medical professionals and documented by photography and you remain sans limb for some weeks or months, a theistic friend prays for you, your limb grows back, no natural explanations are found. They demonstrate the same thing with a variety of other people. Would you then be willing to revert from your atheism? At that point, being an atheist is denying evidence otherwise. I mean, that situation won't ever come up, but it would be evidence for a god if it did.

That premise is an impossibility.

[The Steel Magnolia]

But you said on that post that you "just did" prove that her religion isn't therapeutic.

Yes. Which isn't to say that "religion isn't therapeutic." Saying, "Christianity is a load of bullshit," isn't the same as "religion is a load of bullshit." That would be silly considering I'm a Buddhist.

See that's funny, because you don't actually know what religion I am .

[Betulla]

I'm glad as well.

Well.

Who knew I'd miss TJ and Ostro.

TJ and Ostro?

[Mavorpen]

Yes. Which isn't to say that "religion isn't therapeutic." Saying, "Christianity is a load of bullshit," isn't the same as "religion is a load of bullshit." That would be silly considering I'm a Buddhist.

See that's funny, because you don't actually know what religion I am .

Where did I say I do?

[Grave_n_idle]

No, it's not. That's kinda the point.

Yes, it is, read the Bible.

I've read it. Many, many times.

There's no reason to believe in a literal 'hell'.

[Dyakovo]

1: I never said I was.
2: Again, never made that claim.
3: I wasn't aware of doing that. I said I don't see how it is therapeutic.

Then don't use religion as a therapeutic tool for yourself?

I don't. I don't need (metaphorical) crutches to get through life.

[Conscentia]

As a Christian, you worship a man as messiah who doesn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.
You will not have a place in the messianic age, as you do not worship the god of the Old Testament, instead worshipping a false messiah whom you believe to be a part of god who thus is not god of Israel.

No, I worship God and the Trinity, and the Trinity is God.

And who are you to judge me and say that?

I am a person who's asked the question "say, what does the bible actually say about the messiah?" and then went and found the answer.

If you don't believe me, look at the temple mount. The Temple Mount is where the prophet Ezekiel said the messiah would built the third temple within his lifetime (Jesus died on the cross before the second temple had even been destroyed).
Instead of the Third Temple described in the book of Ezekiel, there stands a mosque upon the temple mount.

[The Steel Magnolia]

See that's funny, because you don't actually know what religion I am .

Where did I say I do?

Probably around the same time you "proved" that my religion wasn't therapeutic to me.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

That's a reference to punishment after death, but not hell itself.

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Oh come on, you're gonna play tomatoes, tomatoes on me? You can define hell in many different ways. From a separation from God to an actual place of fire and brimstone. Regardless, however, it is still punishment after death. Your hell is your punishment after death; what it is is open to interpretation, but it's definitely there.

Still not in the Bible.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Well.

Who knew I'd miss TJ and Ostro.

TJ and Ostro?

I'm just happy to know that as bad as I think it can get, there's always someone worse.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

See that's funny, because you don't actually know what religion I am .

Where did I say I do?

Your assumption that she may be a Christian is telling *nods*

[The Orson Empire]

1. I'm not saying there isn't evidence, but why do you need hard evidence to believe in a religion? Why can't you just have simple faith and follow the rules?
2. Protestant Christianity.
3. Well that's your belief, but it is not mine.

1: Because blind faith is stupid.
2: You like a religion that condones bigotry?
3: No, it is fact. An afterlife isn't scientifically possible.

1. The universe is evidence enough for me.
2. The religion doesn't condone bigotry. It's the people that worship the religion that condone bigotry.
3. Again, that's still your opinion, but that is not my opinion.

[Mavorpen]

Where did I say I do?

Probably around the same time you "proved" that my religion wasn't therapeutic to me.

Would you like to quote me stating that I know what religion you are?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Then don't use religion as a therapeutic tool for yourself?

I don't. I don't need (metaphorical) crutches to get through life.

I'm very glad. I, on the other hand, do.

[Lordieth]

I...I just did.

Well, all you did there was precisely the same amount of evidence as you telling me right now that jerking off is bad because you are only touching yourself and you are not "spreading the love".

Let me put it like this: show, with sources, how is religion not therapeutic for people.

So are placebos, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have any substance to them. There are many things that people find therapeutic, and hey, if religion is your therapy, I'm not one to judge. We all have our ways of coping through life. However, its therapeutic value doesn't get it any validity. I'm not entirely sure if that was the argument you were making, because I agree with your general point. I don't think however that religion's therapeutic value makes religion any more special than say, homeopathy.

[Mavorpen]

Where did I say I do?

Your assumption that she may be a Christian is telling *nods*

Where did I assume that...?

Seriously, where are you pulling shit shit from, your anus?

[Betulla]

TJ and Ostro?

I'm just happy to know that as bad as I think it can get, there's always someone worse.

Are TJ and Ostro alternate personalities of yours or something?

[Caninope]

Because it's therapeutic? That's one of the reasons I'm religious, which is in part as a way of dealing with depression, anxiety, and flashbacks.

Admittedly, mainly the latter.

I'm not seeing how willful delusion is therapeutic.

You say that religion is delusion. That does not mean that religion is delusion, as I vehemently disagree.

Nonetheless, my religion gives me a purpose in life, and a direction. It has helped me set a moral code. It has shaped my very world view. I look to religion for answers when I can find no other. I'd say that's pretty therapeutic.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then don't use religion as a therapeutic tool for yourself?

I don't. I don't need (metaphorical) crutches to get through life.

Some people do, it isn't bad or good.

And if that is the case, does that mean people who are disabled and on a wheelchair are inferior, based on your assumption?

[The Orson Empire]

No, I worship God and the Trinity, and the Trinity is God.

And who are you to judge me and say that?

I am a person who's asked the question "say, what does the bible actually say about the messiah?" and then went and found the answer.

If you don't believe me, look at the temple mount. The Temple Mount is where the prophet Ezekiel said the messiah would built the third temple within his lifetime (Jesus died on the cross before the second temple had even been destroyed).
Instead of the Third Temple described in the book of Ezekiel, there stands a mosque upon the temple mount.

What does that have to do with me not believing in God? Because I do believe in God.