Does God Exist?

[Dyakovo]

I'm not seeing how willful delusion is therapeutic.

Are you my therapist?

No?¹

Are you a licensed CBT professional?

No?²

Then on what basis, precisely, do you actually think you have the ability to say what is and is not therapeutic for people.³

1: I never said I was.
2: Again, never made that claim.
3: I wasn't aware of doing that. I said I don't see how it is therapeutic.

[Conscentia]

I don't believe that though. As for why I believe in God, mainly because I want to and because I like my religion, but also so that I will not burn in Hell for eternity.

As a Christian, you worship a man as messiah who doesn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.
You will not have a place in the messianic age, as you do not worship the god of the Old Testament, instead worshipping a false messiah whom you believe to be a part of god who thus is not god of Israel.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

The fact that it's a reason at all is bad enough.


Good. The Bible doesn't reference it, interestingly enough.

Wrong.

Hell in the Bible

That's a reference to punishment after death, but not hell itself.

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[Kubrath]

I can't conceivably see any way I'll revert from my atheism.

That's because the Inquisition hasn't restarted yet.

You can't expect the Inquisition.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Prove that religion is not therapeutic for people.

(Hint: you can't)

I...I just did.

It isn't, really. It simply allows you to engage in a circle jerk with your ego and allows you to mask your problems by pretending they can be solved by in imaginary being. It doesn't actually solve anything. That's not the sort of therapy I would want.

Really? Because that's not the fucking wealth of psychological research I'd expect that'd disprove the role of irrationality in therapy.

My religion has been helpful to me, in dealing with mental illness. it's been helpful to many people I know.

I'm living proof you're full of shit.

[Dyakovo]

There's something that saddens me about the fact that you believe in your religion (partially) because you wish to escape damnation.

Not all of us do!

I don't believe in a hell, for reference.

He didn't say that you did. He was responding to TOE, who did say that was one of the reasons he believed.

[Tsuntion]

I used to be an atheist for the longest time. My views and beliefs changed accordingly, and I'm not going to hold on to something that's no longer true to myself. My religion is a positive aspect in my life, and evidence for or not, I see no reason to get rid of it.

I can't conceivably see any way I'll revert from my atheism.

You lose a limb, this loss of limb is confirmed by medical professionals and documented by photography and you remain sans limb for some weeks or months, a theistic friend prays for you, your limb grows back, no natural explanations are found. They demonstrate the same thing with a variety of other people. Would you then be willing to revert from your atheism? At that point, being an atheist is denying evidence otherwise. I mean, that situation won't ever come up, but it would be evidence for a god if it did.

[Shaggai]

That's because the Inquisition hasn't restarted yet.

You can't expect the Inquisition.

I can if it isn't Spanish!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Prove that religion is not therapeutic for people.

(Hint: you can't)

I...I just did.

It isn't, really. It simply allows you to engage in a circle jerk with your ego and allows you to mask your problems by pretending they can be solved by in imaginary being. It doesn't actually solve anything. That's not the sort of therapy I would want.

Well, all you did there was precisely the same amount of evidence as you telling me right now that jerking off is bad because you are only touching yourself and you are not "spreading the love".

Let me put it like this: show, with sources, how is religion not therapeutic for people.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Are you my therapist?

No?¹

Are you a licensed CBT professional?

No?²

Then on what basis, precisely, do you actually think you have the ability to say what is and is not therapeutic for people.³

1: I never said I was.
2: Again, never made that claim.
3: I wasn't aware of doing that. I said I don't see how it is therapeutic.

Then don't use religion as a therapeutic tool for yourself?

[Mavorpen]

Really? Because that's not the fucking wealth of psychological research I'd expect that'd disprove the role of irrationality in therapy.

You didn't ask for psychological research.

My religion has been helpful to me, in dealing with mental illness. it's been helpful to many people I know.

I'm sure you'd like to think that.

[Kubrath]

Wrong.

Hell in the Bible

That's a reference to punishment after death, but not hell itself.

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Oh come on, you're gonna play tomatoes, tomatoes on me? You can define hell in many different ways. From a separation from God to an actual place of fire and brimstone. Regardless, however, it is still punishment after death. Your hell is your punishment after death; what it is is open to interpretation, but it's definitely there.

[Conscentia]

You can't expect the Inquisition.

I can if it isn't Spanish!

I know this is a reference, but the real Spanish Inquisition gave people notice before inquisiting so that people had time to prepare their case.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Why?

It shows how you've succumbed to scare-tactics, and how your religion requires such tactics to retain its followers rather than pure genuine faith.

[Mavorpen]

Well, all you did there was precisely the same amount of evidence as you telling me right now that jerking off is bad because you are only touching yourself and you are not "spreading the love".

He didn't ask for evidence.

Let me put it like this: show, with sources, how is religion not therapeutic for people.

Why would I do that when it isn't my claim?

[Grave_n_idle]

That's a reference to punishment after death, but not hell itself.

viewtopic.php?p=13111494#p13111494

Oh come on, you're gonna play tomatoes, tomatoes on me? You can define hell in many different ways. From a separation from God to an actual place of fire and brimstone. Regardless, however, it is still punishment after death. Your hell is your punishment after death; what it is is open to interpretation, but it's definitely there.

No, it's not. That's kinda the point.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Really? Because that's not the fucking wealth of psychological research I'd expect that'd disprove the role of irrationality in therapy.

You didn't ask for psychological research.

My religion has been helpful to me, in dealing with mental illness. it's been helpful to many people I know.

I'm sure you'd like to think that.

Hahaha holy shit.

I'm glad you know more about my mental state than I do.

[Mavorpen]

Hahaha holy shit.

I'm glad you know more about my mental state than I do.

I'm glad as well.

[The Orson Empire]

I don't believe that though. As for why I believe in God, mainly because I want to and because I like my religion, but also so that I will not burn in Hell for eternity.

As a Christian, you worship a man as messiah who doesn't fulfill the messianic prophecies.
You will not have a place in the messianic age, as you do not worship the god of the Old Testament, instead worshipping a false messiah whom you believe to be a part of god who thus is not god of Israel.

No, I worship God and the Trinity, and the Trinity is God.

And who are you to judge me and say that? Only God can judge.

[Kubrath]

I can't conceivably see any way I'll revert from my atheism.

You lose a limb, this loss of limb is confirmed by medical professionals and documented by photography and you remain sans limb for some weeks or months, a theistic friend prays for you, your limb grows back, no natural explanations are found. They demonstrate the same thing with a variety of other people. Would you then be willing to revert from your atheism? At that point, being an atheist is denying evidence otherwise. I mean, that situation won't ever come up, but it would be evidence for a god if it did.

What if it was an elaborate ruse? Or aliens did it? Or brilliant scientists? Or that creepy guy next door?

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

It's not the only reason, though.

The fact that it's a reason at all is bad enough.

Not all of us do!

I don't believe in a hell, for reference.

Good. The Bible doesn't reference it, interestingly enough.

The pastors I talk to say it's a place away from god, a place without the influence of god.

I don't remember the book, but I think I once read up on something about hell being a physical place described to describe those who dwell away from god after death, but I am not certain.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Well, all you did there was precisely the same amount of evidence as you telling me right now that jerking off is bad because you are only touching yourself and you are not "spreading the love".

He didn't ask for evidence.

Let me put it like this: show, with sources, how is religion not therapeutic for people.

Why would I do that when it isn't my claim?

It's she, goddammit.

[Dyakovo]

1: Then you can provide said verifiable evidence?
2: What religion"
3: No worries. You won't. Hell does not exist.

1. I'm not saying there isn't evidence, but why do you need hard evidence to believe in a religion? Why can't you just have simple faith and follow the rules?
2. Protestant Christianity.
3. Well that's your belief, but it is not mine.

1: Because blind faith is stupid.
2: You like a religion that condones bigotry?
3: No, it is fact. An afterlife isn't scientifically possible.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, all you did there was precisely the same amount of evidence as you telling me right now that jerking off is bad because you are only touching yourself and you are not "spreading the love".

He didn't ask for evidence.

Let me put it like this: show, with sources, how is religion not therapeutic for people.

Why would I do that when it isn't my claim?

But you said on that post that you "just did" prove that her religion isn't therapeutic.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Hahaha holy shit.

I'm glad you know more about my mental state than I do.

I'm glad as well.

Well.

Who knew I'd miss TJ and Ostro.