Does God Exist?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That doesn't mean that religion can be scientific. Also, the bible is not the only book out there that has recorded events proven by science. The Popol Vuh of the Inca does too. As well as several Native American legends. Do you see them attempting to turn religion into science?

One of the few things that can not be proven by science is: the existence of God himself.

*sigh*

[Lake Gaston]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

[Warda]

Science can prove must of what was recorded in the Bible.

Exodus is a pile of bullshit.

Come at me bro.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus

[Hydronium]

Where in Ezekiel does it say that? I mean, what verse?

Examples of Messianic Prophecy in the Book of Ezekiel:
Ezekiel 37:26-28
Ezekiel 34:11-31
Ezekiel 34:23-24

I carefully read the 3 verses and honestly got scared for a second. Then I remembered that Jesus will return to earth to establish His millennial kingdom. During that time, the few people that posed a threat to the New Jerusalem would be scattered, and then there would be peace, since the Lord would be with his people (until the end of the millennial kingdom, at least. Then they would surround Jerusalem. But Jesus would rescue his people.) Also, in Revelation, John said that the glory of the Lord and the Lamb (Jesus) would be the temple. I can give you verses.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

Firstly, Christianity is the largest religion.

Secondly, as most NSGers are American or British, and Christianity is by far the most popular faith in these countries, we debate it here as opposed to Islam, which comparatively few NSGers believe.

[Viseria]

If I need to justify there is a god, I am doing it wrong. (Faith-based issue)

Faith is unscientific. Promoting faith in any manner over reason in logic is detrimental to our advancement as a species.

If you 'don't need' to justify that there is not a god, you are both not using scientific means and are doing something wrong.

Null hypothesis. The argument which makes the fewest and smallest assumptions is the most likely. We revert to the hypothesis of "no god" until a god is proven to exist.

Also, the burden of proof is on the holder of a belief, not on the skeptic. Otherwise I could establish a church based around the Invisible Pink Unicorn and claim it to be a valid, real religion. No proof that IPU doesn't exist; thus, it must exist.

So yeah. God may or may not exist, but I'm going with the safer bet and with the thing that makes sense to me.

Pascal's Wager, your so-called 'safer bet', is a logical fallacy.

As far as 'faith based issue' I was in no way implying anything except that it would be against the very definition of faith to feel the need to justify myself.
I am aware of the 'fewest and smallest' concept. It's nothing new. However, working around the very concept of a supreme creator reduces the amount of assumptions and the size of such in many other areas.
A single large, well backed, 'assumption' to reduce the size and concept of many others.

The burden of anything falls on the challenger, that's an inherent trait of Human culture. The weight falls on those who have decided to change beliefs and portray their opinions (or fact).

As far as Pascal's Wager? That's not relevant seeing as I am clearly basing the decision off of other factors then a single percentage. As well, I have seen no proof of it being a logical fallacy. However (Spoiler below)

It's not the Wager itself, per se (although the Wager fails to take into account the possibility of a non-Christian God who demands belief specifically in himself), but the way it's used on the site.

The original Wager was an exercise in game theory. All well and good. But people who use it act as if "You should believe just in case" is a good argument for belief. It's not.

explains exactly why I wasn't using it- I am not implying I should 'believe just in case'.

tl;dr, I am not an idiot and people acting as though everyone is under one sweeping generalization or another is bad.
I am not saying you did this in any way, but I figured I'd put that in at some point.
I respect many atheists and many respect me.
Edit: I felt it was not worth a unique post but how does one even have 20,000+ posts? sdtfdgfyfe

[The Holy Michigan Empire]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

Shamanism is kind of hard to defend.

Maybe because I am not a shaman myself, so thus I cannot prove to you the existence of the otter spirits.

[Avenio]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

The existence of the Divine Claudius is utterly without doubt, so obviously the argument will shift to whether or not the impious Galileans' religion is true.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

Shamanism is kind of hard to defend.

Maybe because I am not a shaman myself, so thus I cannot prove to you the existence of the otter spirits.

Nah, you can at least verify that for yourself if you go to people who know what they're doing.

Not saying it would work or not, but at the very least, people can prove their stuff on Earth than just go by faith.

[Hydronium]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

Firstly, Christianity is the largest religion.

Secondly, as most NSGers are American or British, and Christianity is by far the most popular faith in these countries, we debate it here as opposed to Islam, which comparatively few NSGers believe.

You kind of missed out on the Islam conversation.

[Ainin]

yes, Noah's Ark, the Plagues of Egypt, The crossing of the Reed Sea, ect., all can be proven by science.

One question. Where did all that damn water come from?

[Grave_n_idle]

yes, Noah's Ark, the Plagues of Egypt, The crossing of the Reed Sea, ect., all can be proven by science.

Perhaps they can be.

It hasn't happened yet, but maybe they can.

[Lake Gaston]

Just wondering, why are we obsessing about Christianity? There are plenty of other religions too.

Firstly, Christianity is the largest religion.

Secondly, as most NSGers are American or British, and Christianity is by far the most popular faith in these countries, we debate it here as opposed to Islam, which comparatively few NSGers believe.

At one point, there was another religion that was the biggest In the world, does that mean it doesn't exist and what they worshipped was false, just because no one believes in it anymore?

[Shaggai]

Firstly, Christianity is the largest religion.

Secondly, as most NSGers are American or British, and Christianity is by far the most popular faith in these countries, we debate it here as opposed to Islam, which comparatively few NSGers believe.

You kind of missed out on the Islam conversation.

There was none. You showed that the Qur'an had contradictions with history. I showed that the Bible had contradictions with history. The only thing at all close to a conversation was the thing about extremists.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Firstly, Christianity is the largest religion.

Secondly, as most NSGers are American or British, and Christianity is by far the most popular faith in these countries, we debate it here as opposed to Islam, which comparatively few NSGers believe.

At one point, there was another religion that was the biggest In the world, does that mean it doesn't exist and what they worshipped was false, just because no one believes in it anymore?

No, it's false for other reasons, just like Christianity.

[Lake Gaston]

Again I ask. Religions seem to come and go if you look far back enough, does that mean that those people didn't worship the right god? Does that god really exist than?

[Dyakovo]

We're still waiting for someone to present verifiable evidence of your "god's" existence.

Go read the bible.

I have read the bible. It is not verifiable evidence of your "god's" existence.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Again I ask. Religions seem to come and go if you look far back enough, does that mean that those people didn't worship the right god? Does that god really exist than?

No, it's false for other reasons, just like Christianity.

Also, there's no reason to worship me, I'm only two thirds god.

[Dyakovo]

We're still waiting for someone to present verifiable evidence of your "god's" existence.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yes, actually it is. It isn't proof of absence, but it is evidence of it.

[Lake Gaston]

At one point, there was another religion that was the biggest In the world, does that mean it doesn't exist and what they worshipped was false, just because no one believes in it anymore?

No, it's false for other reasons, just like Christianity.

Saying its false is more opinion than fact, don't you think? There is no solid evidence that, yes it's real or, no it's not.

[Dyakovo]

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What in the actual fuck?

Science can prove must of what was recorded in the Bible.

No, science proves that most of the supposed occurrences in the bible did not happen. Try again.

[Dyakovo]

yes, Noah's Ark, the Plagues of Egypt, The crossing of the Reed Sea, ect., all can be proven by science.

Then do so.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

No, it's false for other reasons, just like Christianity.

Saying its false is more opinion than fact, don't you think? There is no solid evidence that, yes it's real or, no it's not.

You can examine various factors as well as historical evidence to come to the conclusion that it is basically false. True, you can't say with absolute certainty, but that goes for everything.

[Viseria]

I'm ragequitting this thread because I'm too distracted to actually put in a serious reply.
By the way, Mario is apparently communist.

[Shaggai]

Again I ask. Religions seem to come and go if you look far back enough, does that mean that those people didn't worship the right god? Does that god really exist than?

No, it's false for other reasons, just like Christianity.

Also, there's no reason to worship me, I'm only two thirds god.

You heard him, folks. All of you people who were worshiping him: how about worshiping a god who doesn't care? Nyarlathotep is the god for you!