White Pride, can it be acceptable?

[Ashmoria]

African americans who are "albinos" have utterly white skin. if they also have some European ancestors can THEY have white pride?

Of course African American albinos don't count. They have the same physical characteristics as Blacks only without the Black skin. Besides which, it is just a rare genetic disorder and not a large ethnicity.

what about those who can "pass" as white but are actually African americans? can they have white pride?

[Mavorpen]

African americans who are "albinos" have utterly white skin. if they also have some European ancestors can THEY have white pride?

Of course African American albinos don't count. They have the same physical characteristics as Blacks only without the Black skin. Besides which, it is just a rare genetic disorder and not a large ethnicity.

Which of course doesn't matter one bit since you said "white skin," and not "white skin with white characteristics."

And African Americans don't need to be albino to have white skin. My cousin has white skin and is not albino.

[Agymnum]

I'm saying separating your achievements and viewing them in isolation from things you don't choose about yourself is completely retarded because who you are influences that.. Oh and sometimes being who you are openly is an achievement. I think it's an incredibly useless distinction to make and certainly one that misses the big picture.

I feel different. Perhaps we should agree to disagree.

On the basis of being who you are openly as an achievement, I think the achievement is suffering for who you are. Being straight is not an achievement because you do not have to suffer from stigmas as a straight person. Being gay publicly is a bit of an achievement (depending on where you live) because of the shit you have to put up with on a regular basis. So yes, I think being open about who you are can be an achievement, but it's not an achievement all the time.

[Abasha]

I am forced to avoid saying the word African, nigger (a term I have used since I was little), negroid, and so much more while black men (especially) can harass me and call me all sorts of things. I am tired of white people wanting to act black (wiggers) and it seems like so many people want to act and be black, they act like they are superior to white people. I always get a bunch of rude black guys talking to me when I go to certain places in public, and when I say I am gay, they are all like "nigger this, nigger that, this chick is a gay ass dyke, she ain't ever had a real boy, nigger you don't know what the fuck ya talking about you need black dick, etc." it has happened like five times. I just don't enjoy that mentality, and it seems like the majority of the younger generations of black people are like that, I have never been talked to like that by anyone else (maybe coincidence).

On the flip side, I know many respectable and likable older black men and women (in their 30's and 40's) who I am around on a daily basis, so i realize it is not their whole race. It is just the younger people that make me angry most times, I want to ship them off to Africa and see how it feels to be a "proud nigger/African".

I feel like you're misdirecting your hate of misogynists and black supremacists at the black race as a whole, which is wrong. I understand your issues with a lot of the younger black generation who are growing up with an air of superiority, but that is no reason to proclaim that you are being forced to bow before the black race as a whole.

As for white people wanting to act black, it's simply a reversal of the days when black people wanted to act white. You always get that. A lot of my Asian friends act black, and I have black friends who, at times, will act Asian. I have white friends who pull off the whole "fresh off the boat" Asian stereotype very well at times. It's all part of the intermingling of cultures and surely you can't be against that?

You are confusing me, I like many of the older and respectable black men and women, but it seems as if every younger kid I meet talks to me like trash and I am sick of it. I am forced to bow down because whenever I am surrounded like that and I start mouthing back, they accuse me of hate and whatever. If I was to stab one of them because I felt threatened and offended (some of them have tried to touch me), I have to worry about having assault AND a hate crime. Like come on... I know that having such a thing as a hate crime is a good thing, but I should not have to worry about it if I have to defend myself. I do not get the intermingling of cultures thing, because I have never acted anything but white.

I feel like we are expected to cater to the younger generation of black males, but for real... I DO know some nice ones, so it is not everybody, it might just be a vocal minority. I live in Berea, South Carolina (majority black and Hispanics), and I have never been talked to that way by a group of Hispanic men. What is the difference you know?

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

Of course African American albinos don't count. They have the same physical characteristics as Blacks only without the Black skin. Besides which, it is just a rare genetic disorder and not a large ethnicity.

what about those who can "pass" as white but are actually African americans? can they have white pride?

Those people are normally mixed, passing them off as one or the other is stupid and racist.

[Agymnum]

I live in Berea, South Carolina (majority black and Hispanics), and I have never been talked to that way by a group of Hispanic men. What is the difference you know?

Come down to California. There's plenty of Hispanics here who talk worse trash than Black wannabe-gangsters do.

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

I'm saying separating your achievements and viewing them in isolation from things you don't choose about yourself is completely retarded because who you are influences that.. Oh and sometimes being who you are openly is an achievement. I think it's an incredibly useless distinction to make and certainly one that misses the big picture.

I feel different. Perhaps we should agree to disagree.

On the basis of being who you are openly as an achievement, I think the achievement is suffering for who you are. Being straight is not an achievement because you do not have to suffer from stigmas as a straight person. Being gay publicly is a bit of an achievement (depending on where you live) because of the shit you have to put up with on a regular basis. So yes, I think being open about who you are can be an achievement, but it's not an achievement all the time.

Stop making generalizations, I've suffered stigmas as an openly straight person. Being who you are in it's complete picture is an achievement, trying to separate certain aspects of who you are and bring proud of them is stupid, for example taking pride in only yur race or only your achievements.

[Abasha]

I live in Berea, South Carolina (majority black and Hispanics), and I have never been talked to that way by a group of Hispanic men. What is the difference you know?

Come down to California. There's plenty of Hispanics here who talk worse trash than Black wannabe-gangsters do.

I am sure of it, but I wonder, why should I be charged with a hate crime if I stab one of them if I feel threatened/violated if they touched me?

[Agymnum]

Stop making generalizations, I've suffered stigmas as an openly straight person. Being who you are in it's complete picture is an achievement, trying to separate certain aspects of who you are and bring proud of them is stupid, for example taking pride in only yur race or only your achievements.

My apologies for generalizing about straight people, though I have rarely seen stereotypes thrown against them.

As for whether separating aspects of who you are is stupid or not, I'll disagree with you and leave it at that. I have no pride in my heritage because I feel it is something not worth having pride in. My heritage is not me, what I have worked on and achieved is who I am.

Come down to California. There's plenty of Hispanics here who talk worse trash than Black wannabe-gangsters do.

I am sure of it, but I wonder, why should I be charged with a hate crime if I stab one of them if I feel threatened/violated if they touched me?

Assuming they touch you you can claim self-defense since that would qualify as assault. If they're not physically assaulting you there's nothing much you can do. I used to get a lot of verbal abuse from the gangsters in my hometown, but they never touched me so the law was technically on their side.

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

Stop making generalizations, I've suffered stigmas as an openly straight person. Being who you are in it's complete picture is an achievement, trying to separate certain aspects of who you are and bring proud of them is stupid, for example taking pride in only yur race or only your achievements.

My apologies for generalizing about straight people, though I have rarely seen stereotypes thrown against them.

As for whether separating aspects of who you are is stupid or not, I'll disagree with you and leave it at that. I have no pride in my heritage because I feel it is something not worth having pride in. My heritage is not me, what I have worked on and achieved is who I am.

So you believe that who you are has no bearing on who you become? Yeah you can agree to disagree but I'm still going to point out how ridiculous that is.

[Mavorpen]

what about those who can "pass" as white but are actually African americans? can they have white pride?

Those people are normally mixed, passing them off as one or the other is stupid and racist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Smith.jpg

[Agymnum]

My apologies for generalizing about straight people, though I have rarely seen stereotypes thrown against them.

As for whether separating aspects of who you are is stupid or not, I'll disagree with you and leave it at that. I have no pride in my heritage because I feel it is something not worth having pride in. My heritage is not me, what I have worked on and achieved is who I am.

So you believe that who you are has no bearing on who you become? Yeah you can agree to disagree but I'm still going to point out how ridiculous that is.

I believe that who I am should not be a point of pride, only what I have achieved. While my character traits may influence what I achieve, I don't feel they themselves are worthy of any sort of special merit.

If someone came up and bragged about how hardworking they were, I would simply reply with, "Show me proof: grades, money, property, anything. Prove that you're hardworking."

[Abasha]

Stop making generalizations, I've suffered stigmas as an openly straight person. Being who you are in it's complete picture is an achievement, trying to separate certain aspects of who you are and bring proud of them is stupid, for example taking pride in only yur race or only your achievements.

My apologies for generalizing about straight people, though I have rarely seen stereotypes thrown against them.

As for whether separating aspects of who you are is stupid or not, I'll disagree with you and leave it at that. I have no pride in my heritage because I feel it is something not worth having pride in. My heritage is not me, what I have worked on and achieved is who I am.

I am sure of it, but I wonder, why should I be charged with a hate crime if I stab one of them if I feel threatened/violated if they touched me?

Assuming they touch you you can claim self-defense since that would qualify as assault. If they're not physically assaulting you there's nothing much you can do. I used to get a lot of verbal abuse from the gangsters in my hometown, but they never touched me so the law was technically on their side.

What kind of stuff is that? Do you not feel insulted and degraded when they do that? Why should the law be on their side? Like I said, I am afraid to go to court against a black man/woman because I feel like in a lot of cases they are above the law, at least in my area.

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

So you believe that who you are has no bearing on who you become? Yeah you can agree to disagree but I'm still going to point out how ridiculous that is.

I believe that who I am should not be a point of pride, only what I have achieved. While my character traits may influence what I achieve, I don't feel they themselves are worthy of any sort of special merit.

If someone came up and bragged about how hardworking they were, I would simply reply with, "Show me proof: grades, money, property, anything. Prove that you're hardworking."

Fact remains that we don't live in a social vacuum and its incredibly ignorant to claim that we do.

[The British Stratocracy]

The self righteous way the Left, centre, and right argue over this is simply comedy.


Love how debate quickly turns into mindless squabbling and rhetoric.

The important thing is....

Never said I was superior or any better. Merely stating some of the posts on this threads are funny to read.

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

Those people are normally mixed, passing them off as one or the other is stupid and racist.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Smith.jpg

Actually read my wording and try again.

[Agymnum]

What kind of stuff is that? Do you not feel insulted and degraded when they do that? Why should the law be on their side? Like I said, I am afraid to go to court against a black man/woman because I feel like in a lot of cases they are above the law, at least in my area.

They want me to react, because if I react then I get busted and they get their kicks. Not reacting to their verbal abuse, which I assure you does nothing to me, is more satisfying than decking one of them in the face and ending up spending a night in jail for assault.

The law is on their side because of free speech. As long as you do not make a threat which can be misconstrued as being real (i.e. threatening to beat you whilst holding a bat or some other weapon) insulting someone is perfectly within the boundaries of free speech. I support free speech and to do so I understand that it goes both ways. It means I'm free to say what I want AND it means other people can say what they want as well, provided it doesn't endanger others.

The same free speech that protects what I am writing right now protects American Nazis when they rally and preach hate against Jews and minorities.

[The Parkus Empire]

What kind of stuff is that? Do you not feel insulted and degraded when they do that? Why should the law be on their side? Like I said, I am afraid to go to court against a black man/woman because I feel like in a lot of cases they are above the law, at least in my area.

Seeing as how the proportion of blacks in jail and prison is far, far great than that of any other ethnicity in the United States, I somehow doubt the accuracy of your sentiments.

[The British Stratocracy]

The self righteous way the Left, centre, and right argue over this is simply comedy.


Love how debate quickly turns into mindless squabbling and rhetoric.

Speaking of self-righteousness…

And my statement was Self-righteous how? Did I say I was any better? no. Some of the posts have been funny, that's all.

[Mavorpen]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Smith.jpg

Actually read my wording and try again.

No thank you. I read it.

[Agymnum]

What kind of stuff is that? Do you not feel insulted and degraded when they do that? Why should the law be on their side? Like I said, I am afraid to go to court against a black man/woman because I feel like in a lot of cases they are above the law, at least in my area.

Seeing as how the proportion of blacks in jail and prison is far, far great than that of any other ethnicity in the United States, I somehow doubt the accuracy of your sentiments.

Remember that blacks also tend to be poorer than most whites and tend to be less-educated, so it's not necessarily their race which is contributing to their jail-time.

[Abasha]

What kind of stuff is that? Do you not feel insulted and degraded when they do that? Why should the law be on their side? Like I said, I am afraid to go to court against a black man/woman because I feel like in a lot of cases they are above the law, at least in my area.

Seeing as how the proportion of blacks in jail and prison is far, far great than that of any other ethnicity in the United States, I somehow doubt the accuracy of your sentiments.

Maybe that is for a reason? In my area it always seem like they are involved in crime, but I am talking about if I stabbed one of them for touching me. You would hear of poor Alice, and they would treat me like the next George Zimmerman. I don't get why they seem so violent in general, even the ones that grow up in good homes (younger generation)

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

What kind of stuff is that? Do you not feel insulted and degraded when they do that? Why should the law be on their side? Like I said, I am afraid to go to court against a black man/woman because I feel like in a lot of cases they are above the law, at least in my area.

Seeing as how the proportion of blacks in jail and prison is far, far great than that of any other ethnicity in the United States, I somehow doubt the accuracy of your sentiments.

"I think you're lying" is not a valid argument. She also said in her area, which means exactly that.

[American Pride]

Im white and proud and have no shame. Anyone should be able to be proud of their race. We were all created equal. Saying that whites can be proud of their own races. Means that your a hypocrite and you think that Minorities should have special treatment. Whites in America Shouldn't be punished for slavery hundreds of years ago. When some of our families came here after 1860 including mine

[Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes]

Actually read my wording and try again.

No thank you. I read it.

So you're admitting that yur response to my post was irrelevant. Okay cool.