White Pride, can it be acceptable?

[Libertarian California]

Why is there a black history month

Cuz American history = white history for the most part. In fact, world history does too.

Not really.

[The British Stratocracy]

The self righteous way the Left, centre, and right argue over this is simply comedy.


Love how debate quickly turns into mindless squabbling and rhetoric.

[The Parkus Empire]

Cuz American history = white history for the most part. In fact, world history does too.

Not really.

As it is taught, yes.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's like you haven't read anything in this thread, or at least nothing that explained why this is a false equivalence.

I'm well aware of the explanation that has been put forth and I don't buy it as a reason that White people should feel White guilt or shame instead of pride. I have White skin and I am going to embrace that.

Then you haven't read the posts.

NOBODY IN THIS THREAD HAS STATED THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT. Show me ONE post that has stated as much.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The self righteous way the Left, centre, and right argue over this is simply comedy.


Love how debate quickly turns into mindless squabbling and rhetoric.

The important thing is....

[The Merchant Republics]

Ah summer, the inevitable crop of white supremacy threads has arrived.

I am happy to be white. But proud? Why should I be proud? Does the fact that I've shared a skin colour with both some of the greatest mass-murderers of all time and also some of the greatest minds, really influence who I am.

I don't think so.

White pride, to me is like "blue-eyed pride" or "blond pride", "my melanin is lower than yours, in your face ethnic Sub-Saharan Africans!"

[Saiwania]

Then you haven't read the posts. NOBODY IN THIS THREAD HAS STATED THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT. Show me ONE post that has stated as much.

A post said something to the effect of, "Blacks in the US have a shared history of being oppressed, therefore it is acceptable for them to have pride. While Whites only have a shared history of being oppressors, so White pride isn't politically correct." Sure, some posters will say that I completely miss the point of Black pride if I want there to be White pride as well, but then again; I don't really care if people find it to be acceptable or not. I'm still going to embrace my own ancestry and culture for the sake of it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Then you haven't read the posts. NOBODY IN THIS THREAD HAS STATED THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT. Show me ONE post that has stated as much.

A post said something to the effect of, Blacks have s shared history of being oppressed, therefore it is acceptable from them to have pride, while Whites only have a shared history of being oppressors, so it isn't politically correct. Sure, some posters will say that I completely miss the point of Black pride is I want there to be White pride as well, but then again; I don't really care if people find it to be acceptable or not. I'm still going to embrace White pride.

Because Black people have a history of being oppressed, pride movements are a necessary response to said oppression, as it allows people who run the risk of facing similar oppression to understand that they're just as capable as any white person.

As white people don't face the same oppression, white pride movements tend to reinforce and argue for pre-existing privilege. In other words, you're essentially arguing for your right to maintain a superior position, whether you mean to or not.

Nobody arguing against white pride used the term "politically correct". Please read what people have actually written, and not what you think a strawman liberal would write.

Now, it's your right to claim pride in being white, despite the fact that it doesn't serve any real purpose other than to reinforce your dominant position in society. But it's going to come across as racist, and you've given up any right to realistically complain when people call you out on it.

[Libertarian California]

Not really.

As it is taught, yes.

I learned more about China and the Middle East than I did Europe and North America in World History class.

[Dyakovo]

I'm well aware of the explanation that has been put forth and I don't buy it as a reason that White people should feel White guilt or shame instead of pride. I have White skin and I am going to embrace that.

Then you haven't read the posts.

NOBODY IN THIS THREAD HAS STATED THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT. Show me ONE post that has stated as much.

Okay.

WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT

Selective editing counts, right?
No?
Sowwy

[Grave_n_idle]

Now before you get the wrong idea about me, I harbour no hate or distrust for my non-white countrymen nor wish to see any segregation. I am simply asking the question.


So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white? or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?


I personally have never felt any pride or shame for the colour of my skin and can't understand why it matters to others. I value my nationalities much more, which is much more flexible.


Thoughts guys?


(Please keep it mature)

'Pride' - in the context of 'black pride' or 'gay pride' (for example) - is really about oppressed minorities refusing to be ashamed of themselves.

As such, there's not really any place for 'white pride' in the first world.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Then you haven't read the posts.

NOBODY IN THIS THREAD HAS STATED THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT. Show me ONE post that has stated as much.

Okay.

WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL SHAME OR GUILT

Selective editing counts, right?
No?
Sowwy

Well, BESIDES my wussy liberal white self-hatred, I mean. That's just too easy.

[Saiwania]

African americans who are "albinos" have utterly white skin. if they also have some European ancestors can THEY have white pride?

Of course African American albinos don't count. They have the same physical characteristics as Blacks only without the Black skin. Besides which, it is just a rare genetic disorder and not a large ethnicity.

'Pride' - in the context of 'black pride' or 'gay pride' - is really about oppressed minorities refusing to be ashamed of themselves. As such, there's not really any place for 'white pride' in the first world.

There we go, I'm White and I'm not ashamed of it. I won't accept any leverage from non-Whites who wish to hold their pride over me.

[Aurora Novus]

I guess it can be seen as "acceptable", although I don't really see the point of it. What's the point in praising the accomplishments of people based upon skin colour? I'd much rather see us simply praise collective human achievement.

[Wikkiwallana]

It's like you haven't read anything in this thread, or at least nothing that explained why this is a false equivalence.

I'm well aware of the explanation that has been put forth and I don't buy it as a reason that White people should feel White guilt or shame instead of pride. I have White skin and I am going to embrace that.

Please point out where you were told to feel guilty or ashamed of being white.

[Wikkiwallana]

The self righteous way the Left, centre, and right argue over this is simply comedy.


Love how debate quickly turns into mindless squabbling and rhetoric.

Speaking of self-righteousness…

[Agorya]

I simply don't understand how a person could feel pride in another persons exploits.

it's mind boggling.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I simply don't understand how a person could feel pride in another persons exploits.

it's mind boggling.

Have a child.

[The Marxist State]

The reason for African-American History Month and all that is to remember the centuries of struggles that blacks in the US had to go through to get freedom. "White" people as a whole have never had to fight to be equal in this country.

I honestly find the concept of "white pride" or a "white history month" slightly offensive. I am descended from Great Depression-era immigrants on both sides of my family, they had to deal with a lot of shit (from other white people) and struggle very hard to become part of this country. Their history is not the same as the history of some rich WASP whose family has been here for centuries, and it cheapens the struggles they endured to lump them all into one category.

[Agorya]

The reason for African-American History Month and all that is to remember the centuries of struggles that blacks in the US had to go through to get freedom. "White" people as a whole have never had to fight to be equal in this country.

I honestly find the concept of "white pride" or a "white history month" slightly offensive. I am descended from Great Depression-era immigrants on both sides of my family, they had to deal with a lot of shit (from other white people) and struggle very hard to become part of this country. Their history is not the same as the history of some rich WASP whose family has been here for centuries, and it cheapens the struggles they endured to lump them all into one category.

I see,

how do you convince "white people" that it isn't a double standard?

Do you believe that Irish Americans should also have reparations?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The reason for African-American History Month and all that is to remember the centuries of struggles that blacks in the US had to go through to get freedom. "White" people as a whole have never had to fight to be equal in this country.

I honestly find the concept of "white pride" or a "white history month" slightly offensive. I am descended from Great Depression-era immigrants on both sides of my family, they had to deal with a lot of shit (from other white people) and struggle very hard to become part of this country. Their history is not the same as the history of some rich WASP whose family has been here for centuries, and it cheapens the struggles they endured to lump them all into one category.

I see,

how do you convince "white people" that it isn't a double standard?

Do you believe that Irish Americans should also have reparations?

Irish-Americans were able to assimilate and blend in after a generation. Black people weren't able to do so.

[Agorya]

I simply don't understand how a person could feel pride in another persons exploits.

it's mind boggling.

Have a child.

No girl would make love with me.

So I became an Ancap.

[Agymnum]

The reason for African-American History Month and all that is to remember the centuries of struggles that blacks in the US had to go through to get freedom. "White" people as a whole have never had to fight to be equal in this country.

I honestly find the concept of "white pride" or a "white history month" slightly offensive. I am descended from Great Depression-era immigrants on both sides of my family, they had to deal with a lot of shit (from other white people) and struggle very hard to become part of this country. Their history is not the same as the history of some rich WASP whose family has been here for centuries, and it cheapens the struggles they endured to lump them all into one category.

I see,

how do you convince "white people" that it isn't a double standard?

Do you believe that Irish Americans should also have reparations?

When you think about it, "white pride" generally celebrates WASPs. Irish people were generally Catholic and thus didn't fit the "P" in WASP, if I remember correctly. Hence why there's that whole "Irish need not apply" bullshit in the early 1900s.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Have a child.

No girl would make love with me.

So I became an Ancap.

Sure it wasn't the other way around?

[Abasha]

Never apologize for being white, there is a reason why we made them slaves.