White Pride, can it be acceptable?

[Ashmoria]

why? many white people have non-white ancestors. many non-white people have white ancestors. if you have a white ancestor aren't you as connected to the accomplishments of white people as a white-looking person who has some non-white background?

Maybe it would be true if the event were called mixed pride, but White pride means White skin. You don't bring White people to a Black pride event and vice versa, the words signifying the event is supposed to have meaning.

which is why white pride is problematical in this way.

African americans who are "albinos" have utterly white skin. if they also have some European ancestors can THEY have white pride?

[Ravenvalles]

Why bother. It is kind of like being proud that your parents reproduced. I guess that if you are a keeper, and not a cull, they can be proud of their work. What have you to be proud about?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Why bother. It is kind of like being proud that your parents reproduced. I guess that if you are a keeper, and not a cull, they can be proud of their work. What have you to be proud about?

Minorities hold pride for solidarity in the face of oppression.

Whites hole 'pride' for the purpose of lynching those uppity niggers.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well, it certainly has been interesting to watch the racists crawl out of the woodwork and clamor over each other to be the most uninformed.

And you're genuinly surprised because?

I said it was interesting, not surprising.

Well, it certainly has been interesting to watch the racists crawl out of the woodwork and clamor over each other to be the most uninformed.

Please, my being racist is nothing new, it is a very long held conviction that I don't think I'll ever give up.

Did you miss that I used the plural?

[Central Slavia]

Now before you get the wrong idea about me, I harbour no hate or distrust for my non-white countrymen nor wish to see any segregation. I am simply asking the question.


So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white? or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?


I personally have never felt any pride or shame for the colour of my skin and can't understand why it matters to others. I value my nationalities much more, which is much more flexible.


Thoughts guys?


(Please keep it mature)

It's more than acceptable. If you lack pride in your ancestry, country of origin, town etc, you're not much of a person I'm afraid.

[The Parkus Empire]

It's more than acceptable. If you lack pride in your ancestry, country of origin, town etc, you're not much of a person I'm afraid.

Which really doesn't have much to do with skin color. Asians have white skin too.

[Central Slavia]

It's more than acceptable. If you lack pride in your ancestry, country of origin, town etc, you're not much of a person I'm afraid.

Which really doesn't have much to do with skin color. Asians have white skin too.

Indeed, but I doubt anyone is genuinely proud of merely being white, rather than his specific ethnic and nationality.

[The Parkus Empire]

Which really doesn't have much to do with skin color. Asians have white skin too.

Indeed, but I doubt anyone is genuinely proud of merely being white, rather than his specific ethnic and nationality.

White American is an ethnicity, but beyond that the concept of white as an ethnicity or heritage is just absurd.

[Wikkiwallana]

Now before you get the wrong idea about me, I harbour no hate or distrust for my non-white countrymen nor wish to see any segregation. I am simply asking the question.


So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white? or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?


I personally have never felt any pride or shame for the colour of my skin and can't understand why it matters to others. I value my nationalities much more, which is much more flexible.


Thoughts guys?


(Please keep it mature)

It's more than acceptable. If you lack pride in your ancestry, country of origin, town etc, you're not much of a person I'm afraid.

Why? Why should I be proud of something that happened by chance? It's like being proud of winning the lottery. And what if your ancestors were awful people, your town is a run-down dump, or your country is a corrupt hellhole? Why must one be proud of these things, even if they are nothing to be proud of? And what of orphans or people whose parents moved when they were very young children? They have no connection to parts of their past, why should they still be proud of them? It's one thing top be proud of something you participate in, or that helped shape you, but pride just because of a tangential connection is silly.

[The Steel Magnolia]

It's more than acceptable. If you lack pride in your ancestry, country of origin, town etc, you're not much of a person I'm afraid.

Why? Why should I be proud of something that happened by chance? It's like being proud of winning the lottery. And what if your ancestors were awful people, your town is a run-down dump, or your country is a corrupt hellhole? Why must one be proud of these things, even if they are nothing to be proud of? And what of orphans or people whose parents moved when they were very young children? They have no connection to parts of their past, why should they still be proud of them? It's one thing top be proud of something you participate in, or that helped shape you, but pride just because of a tangential connection is silly.

Because pride isn't about actual pridefulness.

[Agymnum]

It's more than acceptable. If you lack pride in your ancestry, country of origin, town etc, you're not much of a person I'm afraid.

*Has no pride in ancestry nor homeland*

Haters gonna hate.

[Wikkiwallana]

Why? Why should I be proud of something that happened by chance? It's like being proud of winning the lottery. And what if your ancestors were awful people, your town is a run-down dump, or your country is a corrupt hellhole? Why must one be proud of these things, even if they are nothing to be proud of? And what of orphans or people whose parents moved when they were very young children? They have no connection to parts of their past, why should they still be proud of them? It's one thing top be proud of something you participate in, or that helped shape you, but pride just because of a tangential connection is silly.

Because pride isn't about actual pridefulness.

That really depends on who is using the word and how, wouldn't you say? From the context, it seemed to me that Central Slavia certainly meant it that way.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Because pride isn't about actual pridefulness.

That really depends on who is using the word and how, wouldn't you say? From the context, it seemed to me that Central Slavia certainly meant it that way.

Oh sure, he did, and you're broadly accurate when it comes to white pride. Gay pride, black pride, et cetera however, isn't about those things.

[Wikkiwallana]

That really depends on who is using the word and how, wouldn't you say? From the context, it seemed to me that Central Slavia certainly meant it that way.

Oh sure, he did, and you're broadly accurate when it comes to white pride. Gay pride, black pride, et cetera however, isn't about those things.

And I recognize and respect that. I'm all for celebrating distinguishing aspects of oneself, and of making a show of strength and resilience in the face of hostility and discrimination. I simply disagree with the notion that because one belongs to group X, one is therefore obligated be glad to be a member of that group. Thankfully, it's not a particularly common opinion, but it's still really annoying when it does show up.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Oh sure, he did, and you're broadly accurate when it comes to white pride. Gay pride, black pride, et cetera however, isn't about those things.

And I recognize and respect that. I'm all for celebrating distinguishing aspects of oneself, and of making a show of strength and resilience in the face of hostility and discrimination. I simply disagree with the notion that because one belongs to group X, one is therefore obligated be glad to be a member of that group. Thankfully, it's not a particularly common opinion, but it's still really annoying when it does show up.

Mhmm. Point taken, and agreed.

[Luveria]

i guess we should throw up finn pride parades to help with our insecurities resulted of hundred years under swedish and russian rule and show that we are as good as swedes and russkies.

Finns aren't insecure at all, thus they don't have Finn pride parades.

[Immoren]

i guess we should throw up finn pride parades to help with our insecurities resulted of hundred years under swedish and russian rule and show that we are as good as swedes and russkies.

Finns aren't insecure at all, thus they don't have Finn pride parades.

well we do seem to have some sort of inferiority complex tho. I think. :/
What with those "everyone in Finland rejoices when Finland is mentioned in passing paragraph abroad" jokes we have here.
but that previous post might indeed not have been serious.

[Nazi Flower Power]

So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white?

Yes and yes.

or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?

If you start a white pride group, you're going to offend people because the supremacists have given the idea a bad name. But starting a pride group is more than just feeling proud. It's a particular way to express pride. The feeling of pride is fine, but people need to be mindful how they express it.

[Norstal]

I...when did we not become a minority? I wish you'd told me that sooner. Brb, going to rob a bank and get away with my new majority status.

Your black? Weird, I thought you were white.

Lol.

I just...I just wanted to let you know that this is what black people are fighting for.

[The Steel Magnolia]

So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white?

Yes and yes.

or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?

If you start a white pride group, you're going to offend people because the supremacists have given the idea a bad name. But starting a pride group is more than just feeling proud. It's a particular way to express pride. The feeling of pride is fine, but people need to be mindful how they express it.

Also not what pride is about.

[Saiwania]

Also not what pride is about.

If Black people can have pride, I am going to decide for myself that White people can have their own pride as well.

[Dilange]

Also not what pride is about.

If Black people can have pride, I am going to decide for myself that White people can have their own pride as well.

"If black people can be racist douchebags, then so can we whites"

Thus begin the stupid cycle we known as "Eye for an Eye Syndrome"

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Also not what pride is about.

If Black people can have pride, I am going to decide for myself that White people can have their own pride as well.

It's like you haven't read anything in this thread, or at least nothing that explained why this is a false equivalence.

[Saiwania]

It's like you haven't read anything in this thread, or at least nothing that explained why this is a false equivalence.

I'm well aware of the explanation that has been put forth and I don't buy it as a reason that White people should feel White guilt or shame instead of pride. I have White skin and I am going to embrace that.

[Libertarian California]

I feel like the word pride in this sense is used as a synonym for "having a strong attachment and identifying with it".