White Pride, can it be acceptable?

[Immoren]

i guess we should throw up finn pride parades to help with our insecurities resulted of hundred years under swedish and russian rule and show that we are as good as swedes and russkies.

[Ashmoria]

Now before you get the wrong idea about me, I harbour no hate or distrust for my non-white countrymen nor wish to see any segregation. I am simply asking the question.


So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white? or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?


I personally have never felt any pride or shame for the colour of my skin and can't understand why it matters to others. I value my nationalities much more, which is much more flexible.


Thoughts guys?


(Please keep it mature)

its problematical at best.

first you have the problem with so many "white" accomplishments being at the expense of non-white people. the settling of the Americas, for example. we might be proud of the creation of the United States but it does require that we ignore the people we pushed off their land and people we dragged here as slaves in order to create it.

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

[Ostroeuropa]

Now before you get the wrong idea about me, I harbour no hate or distrust for my non-white countrymen nor wish to see any segregation. I am simply asking the question.


So lets say a man feels "White pride" in the same way that a black gentleman might, is it ok that he feels that way? Is it possible to be a supporter of equal rights for the races and be a proud white? or has White supremacy and separatism demonized the concept?


I personally have never felt any pride or shame for the colour of my skin and can't understand why it matters to others. I value my nationalities much more, which is much more flexible.


Thoughts guys?


(Please keep it mature)

its problematical at best.

first you have the problem with so many "white" accomplishments being at the expense of non-white people. the settling of the Americas, for example. we might be proud of the creation of the United States but it does require that we ignore the people we pushed off their land and people we dragged here as slaves in order to create it.

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

I don't see much different about the accomplishments of any "race." (if a race can even have accomplishments.)
If you want examples of white people who achieved shit without oppressing others of a different color, you have the industrial revolution, joint stock companies, the magna carta, electricity, (lots of inventions.), exploration of the world and first circumnavigation, record keeping, beaurocracy (china also did these last two), and free trade.

[The British Stratocracy]

its problematical at best.

first you have the problem with so many "white" accomplishments being at the expense of non-white people. the settling of the Americas, for example. we might be proud of the creation of the United States but it does require that we ignore the people we pushed off their land and people we dragged here as slaves in order to create it.

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

I don't see much different about the accomplishments of any race.

Nor I

[Wikkiwallana]

So why are they statistically so poor and prone to going to jail?

A month to make blacks feel as American as whites is a fine idea. It might even help make whites feel the same way.

No it doesn't Morgan Freeman wants it gone, it must go.

Morgan Freeman is an actor, not a sociologist.

[Unionist State of Scotland]

Really? people care passionately about this?


So much for being in the 21st centaury.

[Ashmoria]

its problematical at best.

first you have the problem with so many "white" accomplishments being at the expense of non-white people. the settling of the Americas, for example. we might be proud of the creation of the United States but it does require that we ignore the people we pushed off their land and people we dragged here as slaves in order to create it.

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

I don't see much different about the accomplishments of any "race." (if a race can even have accomplishments.)
If you want examples of white people who achieved shit without oppressing others of a different color, you have the industrial revolution, joint stock companies, the magna carta, electricity, (lots of inventions.), exploration of the world and first circumnavigation, record keeping, beaurocracy (china also did these last two), and free trade.

yeah those didn't hurt anyone....

but sure you can. at the same time you have to ignore all the bad things "white" people did.

its like being proud to be the son of tony soprano because he was so successful in his line of work. (given that I have never watched "the sopranos")

[Surfistan]

Really? people care passionately about this?


So much for being in the 21st centaury.

I know, it takes the pisces out of everything.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't see much different about the accomplishments of any "race." (if a race can even have accomplishments.)
If you want examples of white people who achieved shit without oppressing others of a different color, you have the industrial revolution, joint stock companies, the magna carta, electricity, (lots of inventions.), exploration of the world and first circumnavigation, record keeping, beaurocracy (china also did these last two), and free trade.

yeah those didn't hurt anyone....

but sure you can. at the same time you have to ignore all the bad things "white" people did.

its like being proud to be the son of tony soprano because he was so successful in his line of work. (given that I have never watched "the sopranos")

And I think we'd both agree that that is an incredibly stupid type of thing to be proud of.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well, it certainly has been interesting to watch the racists crawl out of the woodwork and clamor over each other to be the most uninformed.

[Surfistan]

Well, it certainly has been interesting to watch the racists crawl out of the woodwork and clamor over each other to be the most uninformed.

And you're genuinly surprised because?

[Ashmoria]

yeah those didn't hurt anyone....

but sure you can. at the same time you have to ignore all the bad things "white" people did.

its like being proud to be the son of tony soprano because he was so successful in his line of work. (given that I have never watched "the sopranos")

And I think we'd both agree that that is an incredibly stupid type of thing to be proud of.

it is.

white people don't think of themselves as a member of the white group. we think of ourselves as americans, irish-americans, whatever. we don't usually take ego-credit for everything that happened in European history and the European expansion around the world.

[Saiwania]

Well, it certainly has been interesting to watch the racists crawl out of the woodwork and clamor over each other to be the most uninformed.

Please, my being racist is nothing new, it is a very long held conviction that I don't think I'll ever give up.

[Horsefish]

I've always assumed 'White Pride' was an American thing. Whites in Europe are divided along national lines, there is no such thing as '"white culture"

[TBA Field Marshal]

And I think we'd both agree that that is an incredibly stupid type of thing to be proud of.

it is.

white people don't think of themselves as a member of the white group. we think of ourselves as americans, irish-americans, whatever. we don't usually take ego-credit for everything that happened in European history and the European expansion around the world.

You don't talk for every white person.

[Ashmoria]

it is.

white people don't think of themselves as a member of the white group. we think of ourselves as americans, irish-americans, whatever. we don't usually take ego-credit for everything that happened in European history and the European expansion around the world.

You don't talk for every white person.

no I don't. I certainly don't want to be thought of as speaking for the "white pride" people at all.

....

and I don't purport to know anything about the thoughts of white people who don't live in the US.

[Gallup]

I don't have white pride. I don't have any problem with people who do.

This

[WhoisJohnGalt]

You should have pride in, and value nothing more than, yourself. "Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own highest value" -Ayn Rand

[Ashihara no Nakatsukuni]

I find White pride to be stupid, they should be proud in their heritage. It matters not that you're "white".

[Saiwania]

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

Of course you have to look White to be apart of White pride, it wouldn't make any sense to include people who don't look White at all.

[Immoren]

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

Of course you have to look White to be apart of White pride, it wouldn't make any sense to include people who don't look White at all.

finns obviously dont qualify for white pride. finns r mongols.

[Ashmoria]

then we have the problem of fighting about who is white enough to take part in white pride. it might not be something to YOU but to the white supremacists it is everything. a person who gets classified as "black" in the US but who has plenty of white ancestors will be denied membership in the "white pride club"

Of course you have to look White to be apart of White pride, it wouldn't make any sense to include people who don't look White at all.

why? many white people have non-white ancestors. many non-white people have white ancestors.

if you have a white ancestor aren't you as connected to the accomplishments of white people as a white-looking person who has some non-white background?

[Saiwania]

why? many white people have non-white ancestors. many non-white people have white ancestors. if you have a white ancestor aren't you as connected to the accomplishments of white people as a white-looking person who has some non-white background?

Maybe that would be true if the event were called mixed pride, but White pride means White skin. You don't bring White people to a Black pride event and vice versa, the words signifying the event is supposed to have meaning.

[Ostroeuropa]

Of course you have to look White to be apart of White pride, it wouldn't make any sense to include people who don't look White at all.

why? many white people have non-white ancestors. many non-white people have white ancestors.

if you have a white ancestor aren't you as connected to the accomplishments of white people as a white-looking person who has some non-white background?

Don't think too hard about race.
Racists don't like it if you think too hard about race.
You're just supposed to accept that it exists and makes us all seperate categories.

[Immoren]

why? many white people have non-white ancestors. many non-white people have white ancestors. if you have a white ancestor aren't you as connected to the accomplishments of white people as a white-looking person who has some non-white background?

Maybe that would be true if the event were called mixed pride, but White pride means White skin. You don't bring White people to a Black pride event and vice versa, the words signifying the event is supposed to have meaning.

At what point white skin turns swarthy enough not to be allowed into WP?