White Pride, can it be acceptable?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Whoa, whoa. So now races exist? I thought they didn't... the anatomy of people with black skin color is not different from the anatomy of white people. Or this is what I thought.

It is slightly humans share 96% of DNA with each other.

We're also related to potatoes, what's your point?

[Warda]

my one sentence broke the internet. cool

Sadly, no... you just dented it.

wat wrng wif mah pawst then?

[Arumdaum]

Whoa, whoa. So now races exist? I thought they didn't... the anatomy of people with black skin color is not different from the anatomy of white people. Or this is what I thought.

It is slightly humans share 96% of DNA with each other.

Actually, isn't that like chimpanzees and humans?

For any two humans it's >99.9%.

[Arumdaum]

Whoa, whoa. So now races exist? I thought they didn't... the anatomy of people with black skin color is not different from the anatomy of white people. Or this is what I thought.

They don't exist.

[Seperates]

Whoa, whoa. So now races exist? I thought they didn't... the anatomy of people with black skin color is not different from the anatomy of white people. Or this is what I thought.

It is slightly humans share 96% of DNA with each other.

...

No.

It's around a .1% difference.

Hell, even with chimps we share 98.8% of our genetic material.

[Warda]

It is slightly humans share 96% of DNA with each other.

We're also related to potatoes, what's your point?

That humans have genetic diversity?

[Seperates]

Sadly, no... you just dented it.

wat wrng wif mah pawst then?

Now you're trying too hard.

[Arumdaum]

We're also related to potatoes, what's your point?

That humans have genetic diversity?

Much less than you think.

[Mavorpen]

We're also related to potatoes, what's your point?

That humans have genetic diversity?

Most of which is found within populations, not between them.

[New Corenea]

There's a difference between having pride and being racist. Having pride is that you like what your ethnicity of countrymen had done. Simply being prideful that whites are more likely to suceed than blacks is not racist.

What is racist is if you believe in superiority. If you believe that other ethnicities are "inferior" and your ethnicity is the "master race". That's racism

[Mavorpen]

Simply being prideful that whites are more likely to suceed than blacks is not racist.

It's more like immature, childish, and downright pathetic.

That's not much of a step up from racism.

[Warda]

It is slightly humans share 96% of DNA with each other.

...

No.

It's around a .1% difference.

Hell, even with chimps we share 98.8% of our genetic material.

I was thinking about dogs.

[Seperates]

There's a difference between having pride and being racist. Having pride is that you like what your ethnicity of countrymen had done. Simply being prideful that whites are more likely to suceed than blacks is not racist.

What is racist is if you believe in superiority. If you believe that other ethnicities are "inferior" and your ethnicity is the "master race". That's racism

It is immature to take pride in something that you yourself have not done, especially when it comes to something as arbitrary as 'race'. And your 'pride' is racist if you take a moment to realize that the reason that 'whites' are more likely to 'succeed' (succeed at what, may I ask?) than 'blacks' is simply because of generations long systemic disenfranchisement that has only been started to be corrected in the last 50 years. Had things been switched, I have no doubt that you would see that 'blacks' would be more likely to 'succeed' than 'whites'.

[Seperates]

...

No.

It's around a .1% difference.

Hell, even with chimps we share 98.8% of our genetic material.

I was thinking about dogs.

Even that's more in the ballpark of 75-80% with only 25% matching exactly.

[Free South Califas]

Hi, I'm an American of mixed ethnic background who often passes for 'white'.

First, I know this is a confusing topic. You hear about black pride and power, and you have to think, "Is there something like that for me?" Where I live, you hear about La Raza and you have to think, "Am I supposed to organize my people, too?"

If you are like the OP, I think you need to hear this history lesson on the creation of whiteness and its consequences.

Creation? Yes, creation. The category of people called 'white' was invented at a time when most white people lived under crushing debt and, at least until they worked off the debt, had a lot in common with the 'black' slaves. (Another invented category, ain't that some shit?) Normally people are inclined to be interested in the suffering of other people, and to organize with others who suffer like them. Left to their own devices, 'black' slaves and 'white' servants would have been inclined to start a group that would be rather troubling to the leisure class.

How do you get servants to turn on slaves? Divide and conquer, my friend. All around the world, it's the same old song.

Now, why would 'black' people organize for pride and power under an invented category? Actually, such groups usually acknowledge that the category is only meaningful because their original identities and cultures were stolen from them. Or rather, they were stolen from their culture, perhaps. Descendants of slaves don't have the luxury of thorough immigration records in most cases; they were treated like perishable goods, not people.

Black pride is a substitute for the stolen cultures. If you know your culture, celebrate that. If you don't know your heritage, take pride in the local or international culture that you share today. After all, isn't there a lot to be proud of in the modern advancements of international research as well as culture?

That's my recommendation as someone who is mostly 'white' and has struggled with some of the same issues in the past.

[Monetarian]

All forms of " pride " are wrong and if we don't allow White have their stupid Pride the others shouldn't be possible as well .

[Abritus]

National and Imperial pride are more acceptable and also historical pride like the deed of your ancestors.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

All forms of " pride " are wrong and if we don't allow White have their stupid Pride the others shouldn't be possible as well .

It's amazing. We're up to page 33 of this thread. The vagaries of race relations in the United States and Europe have been discussed at length. Comparisons and contrasts between various pride movements have been part of a larger, necessary conversation about culture and privilege in the United States. On this very page, in the post directly above yours, further historical context was given...

And yet this simplistic crap still gets typed out like it hasn't been thoroughly refuted a dozen times over.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Having low levels of skin pigmentation is really difficult and quite an achievement, not everyone can manage it, so yes you should be proud of all the skill and hard work it has taken to be so pallid.

[New Aerios]

It's fine to be proud of being white, it's not fine to feel superior because of it. Same goes for any other race, sexual orientation, belief, whatever.

[Monetarian]

All forms of " pride " are wrong and if we don't allow White have their stupid Pride the others shouldn't be possible as well .

It's amazing. We're up to page 33 of this thread. The vagaries of race relations in the United States and Europe have been discussed at length. Comparisons and contrasts between various pride movements have been part of a larger, necessary conversation about culture and privilege in the United States. On this very page, in the post directly above yours, further historical context was given...

And yet this simplistic crap still gets typed out like it hasn't been thoroughly refuted a dozen times over.

Good for you .

[Ashmoria]

Having low levels of skin pigmentation is really difficult and quite an achievement, not everyone can manage it, so yes you should be proud of all the skill and hard work it has taken to be so pallid.

and to MAINTAIN my pallidity! its not easy to stay out of the sun all summer long, ill have you know!

[The Blaatschapen]

Having low levels of skin pigmentation is really difficult and quite an achievement, not everyone can manage it, so yes you should be proud of all the skill and hard work it has taken to be so pallid.

and to MAINTAIN my pallidity! its not easy to stay out of the sun all summer long, ill have you know!

Oh, it is very easy to stay out of the sun.

Just move to Britain.

[Surfistan]

Hi, I'm an American of mixed ethnic background who often passes for 'white'.

First, I know this is a confusing topic. You hear about black pride and power, and you have to think, "Is there something like that for me?" Where I live, you hear about La Raza and you have to think, "Am I supposed to organize my people, too?"

If you are like the OP, I think you need to hear this history lesson on the creation of whiteness and its consequences.

Creation? Yes, creation. The category of people called 'white' was invented at a time when most white people lived under crushing debt and, at least until they worked off the debt, had a lot in common with the 'black' slaves. (Another invented category, ain't that some shit?) Normally people are inclined to be interested in the suffering of other people, and to organize with others who suffer like them. Left to their own devices, 'black' slaves and 'white' servants would have been inclined to start a group that would be rather troubling to the leisure class.

How do you get servants to turn on slaves? Divide and conquer, my friend. All around the world, it's the same old song.

Now, why would 'black' people organize for pride and power under an invented category? Actually, such groups usually acknowledge that the category is only meaningful because their original identities and cultures were stolen from them. Or rather, they were stolen from their culture, perhaps. Descendants of slaves don't have the luxury of thorough immigration records in most cases; they were treated like perishable goods, not people.

Black pride is a substitute for the stolen cultures. If you know your culture, celebrate that. If you don't know your heritage, take pride in the local or international culture that you share today. After all, isn't there a lot to be proud of in the modern advancements of international research as well as culture?

That's my recommendation as someone who is mostly 'white' and has struggled with some of the same issues in the past.

I like you.

[Stahn]

Black pride is a result of the historical supression of the negros. A thing like white pride does not compare. White people have not been supressed because of the colour of their skin like the black people have been.

It is like the idea of a straight pride parade. It is stupid and silly because the white straights have not been supressed and discriminated against like blacks and gays have been.