Cyprus dispute

[Yanitza]

I think most European states work along Ethnic lines

Didnt you get the memo? All European states are stupid nationalists...

Of course If Cyprus joins Greece Turkish Cypriots will be slaughtered on the streets......

[Haakopen]

Didnt you get the memo? All European states are stupid nationalists...

Of course If Cyprus joins Greece Turkish Cypriots will be slaughtered on the streets......

Because you know, nobody hates nobody and you are all buddies etch.

[Yanitza]

You fool don't twist my words

What I am saying is that a small ethnic minority should not dictate the future of a state, not that they should be exterminated

West Thracian Turks are doing fine, so would Turkish Cypriots

Firstly, dont insult. There a myriad of phrases I would use to describe you, but I dont. Let's be civilized.

Secondly, the West Thracians are not an ethnic minority.

then how about you don't twist my words to suit yourself



You don't know what your talking about do you? I am Talking about the Turkish minority in Western Thrace which is a province of Greece

[Yanitza]

Of course If Cyprus joins Greece Turkish Cypriots will be slaughtered on the streets......

Because you know, nobody hates nobody and you are all buddies etch.

Except Turks in Western Thrace are doing fine........

[Haakopen]

Firstly, dont insult. There a myriad of phrases I would use to describe you, but I dont. Let's be civilized.

Secondly, the West Thracians are not an ethnic minority.

then how about you don't twist my words to suit yourself



You don't know what your talking about do you? I am Talking about the Turkish minority in Western Thrace which is a province of Greece

They are recognized as muslim, not Turkish minority

[Vistulange]

If we are talking about illegal colonization...

...didn't Jews do that in the early 1900's to the British Mandate of Palestine and set up what was basically a shadow nation in what is today Israel? I mean, if we're talking about deporting illegal colonists, we should deport probably half the Israeli population that may have been descended from those so-called illegal colonists. I say, we don't deport anyone.

Yes, we invaded Cyprus on 1974 and occupied the north due to threats of Enosis and fear of genocide on part of the junta-appointed president. Now, I'm not arguing the crimes that may or may not have been committed there. I am merely saying that both we - Turkey - and the Greeks, along with the British, should get out of there, plain and simple, no buts. No Turkish soldiers, no Greek soldiers and no British soldiers.

Unite the island with a federal structure, form a proper parliament and a proper way of representing the Turkish minority. Or, just rewrite a constitution and give adquate minority rights to the Turkish minority. Stupid and reckless nationalism won't get anyone anywhere, and you would have to be blind in order to not see that. Cyprus deserves to be completely independant and unified. What keeps Northern Cyprus and Southern Cyprus seperated is nothing but the delusion of nationalism. I could go on more about the evils of nationalism, but that is not the topic.

If it all gets worse, no one intervenes. If the UN or NATO end up coming to an agreement about intervention, sure, members play along; but no independent nations go in there and invade claiming that someone was being massacred. It's been done to death since the start of ethnicality by every fucking country and is basically an excuse to invade/colonize/attack other countries/people.

There's my two cents.

[Volnotova]

I think most European states work along Ethnic lines

Didnt you get the memo? All European states are stupid nationalists...

You wish.

Most European nationalist politicians are self-absorbed, megalomaniac, opportunistic cowards.

Forget about European conflicts as conflicts between nations (ethnicities), ideologies or even religions.

They (like the Cyprus dispute) are conflicts between elites.

[DrakoBlaria]

then how about you don't twist my words to suit yourself



You don't know what your talking about do you? I am Talking about the Turkish minority in Western Thrace which is a province of Greece

They are recognized as muslim, not Turkish minority

Yes, recognised, but identify as Turks. They are recognised as muslim minority because that is what the population exchange treaty said. THEY ARE NOT OPRESSED!
Wish I could say the same about the "Orthodox" minority in Turkey

[Yanitza]

then how about you don't twist my words to suit yourself



You don't know what your talking about do you? I am Talking about the Turkish minority in Western Thrace which is a province of Greece

They are recognized as muslim, not Turkish minority

From Wiki
"the majority of them being Turkish." "and all Turks of Greece would be resettled in Turkey apart from the Muslims of Greek Thrace." They are Turks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_of_Western_Thrace

[Haakopen]

They are recognized as muslim, not Turkish minority

Yes, recognised, but identify as Turks. They are recognised as muslim minority because that is what the population exchange treaty said. THEY ARE NOT OPRESSED!
Wish I could say the same about the "Orthodox" minority in Turkey

No. Turks are considered the "majority" of the muslim minority.

Second, I want a source about the oppression of the greek minority in Istanbul.

[Chinese Regions]

One united Cyprus.

[DrakoBlaria]

Yes, recognised, but identify as Turks. They are recognised as muslim minority because that is what the population exchange treaty said. THEY ARE NOT OPRESSED!
Wish I could say the same about the "Orthodox" minority in Turkey

No. Turks are considered the "majority" of the muslim minority.

Second, I want a source about the oppression of the greek minority in Istanbul.

Here is a hint: They arent there any more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_riots

[Nazis in Space]

There are two states occupying Cyprus at the moment. Why not just let them vote on it themselves? If the northern majority wish to remain an independent state, let them. If they want to be a part of Turkey, let them. Same for the southern majority. If both sides agree to unite, let them. Entire generations have been born and raised in each state, that alone gives them both legitmacy in my eyes.

It doesn't work like that. North Cyprus is the result of occupation and illegal settlement.

In response to a series of attempts by the Greek Cypriots to ethnically cleanse out the turkish minority.

The Greek Cypriots should be happy Turkey didn't opt to return the favour and throw them into the sea.

[DrakoBlaria]

It doesn't work like that. North Cyprus is the result of occupation and illegal settlement.

In response to a series of attempts by the Greek Cypriots to ethnically cleanse out the turkish minority.

The Greek Cypriots should be happy Turkey didn't opt to return the favour and throw them into the sea.

Υes cause the Turks entered Cyprus with flowers. And source that there was active genocide in the island against the Turks?

[Haakopen]

No. Turks are considered the "majority" of the muslim minority.

Second, I want a source about the oppression of the greek minority in Istanbul.

Here is a hint: They arent there any more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_riots

Yes, there are.

Around 500-1000 of them.

[Yanitza]

If we are talking about illegal colonization...

...didn't Jews do that in the early 1900's to the British Mandate of Palestine and set up what was basically a shadow nation in what is today Israel? I mean, if we're talking about deporting illegal colonists, we should deport probably half the Israeli population that may have been descended from those so-called illegal colonists. I say, we don't deport anyone.

Yes, we invaded Cyprus on 1974 and occupied the north due to threats of Enosis and fear of genocide on part of the junta-appointed president. Now, I'm not arguing the crimes that may or may not have been committed there. I am merely saying that both we - Turkey - and the Greeks, along with the British, should get out of there, plain and simple, no buts. No Turkish soldiers, no Greek soldiers and no British soldiers.

Unite the island with a federal structure, form a proper parliament and a proper way of representing the Turkish minority. Or, just rewrite a constitution and give adquate minority rights to the Turkish minority. Stupid and reckless nationalism won't get anyone anywhere, and you would have to be blind in order to not see that. Cyprus deserves to be completely independant and unified. What keeps Northern Cyprus and Southern Cyprus seperated is nothing but the delusion of nationalism. I could go on more about the evils of nationalism, but that is not the topic.

If it all gets worse, no one intervenes. If the UN or NATO end up coming to an agreement about intervention, sure, members play along; but no independent nations go in there and invade claiming that someone was being massacred. It's been done to death since the start of ethnicality by every fucking country and is basically an excuse to invade/colonize/attack other countries/people.

There's my two cents.

I see nothing wrong with that except your refferal to Enosis as a threat, given the fact that Greek Cyrpiots were the vast majority and still would be a majority,and many of them wanted Enosis, why should the small Turkish minority have had the final say of no,

[Nazis in Space]

Except you know, the incredibly close relations and Cultural ties between Greeks in Cyprus and Greece and the fact thiers a good chance they could have been one country

Or that Greece is a state created on the idea of having all Greeks under 1 banner and not a mutlicultural state with random borders

Nobody's stopping the Cypriot Greeks from buggering off to Greece.

[DrakoBlaria]

Here is a hint: They arent there any more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_riots

Yes, there are.

Around 500-1000 of them.

I wont even bother

[Greater Somalia]

Turkey did the right thing by occupying the Turk dominated North. The Greeks and their supporters can shed their crocodile tears all they want but it has no effect on me. Same goes for Israel, the Arabs can cry foul but the Jews have proven themselves just how much they prefer living in the Middle East as opposed to heading back to Europe

[Vistulange]

No. Turks are considered the "majority" of the muslim minority.

Second, I want a source about the oppression of the greek minority in Istanbul.

Here is a hint: They arent there any more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_riots

It's not uncommon knowledge that the Democrat Party led by Adnan Menderes was a tad on the religious side of the political spectrum. Him encouraging the events is completely normal; before Menderes, the Greek minority had been treated quite nicely by the CHP government, no matter their political authoritarianism.

[DrakoBlaria]

Turkey did the right thing by occupying the Turk dominated North. The Greeks and their supporters can shed their crocodile tears all they want but it has no effect on me. Same goes for Israel, the Arabs can cry foul but the Jews have proven themselves just how much they prefer living in the Middle East as opposed to heading back to Europe

The North was not Turkish dominated

[Haakopen]

In response to a series of attempts by the Greek Cypriots to ethnically cleanse out the turkish minority.

The Greek Cypriots should be happy Turkey didn't opt to return the favour and throw them into the sea.

Υes cause the Turks entered Cyprus with flowers. And source that there was active genocide in the island against the Turks?

Proof of Crimes agaisnt Turkish Cypriots

[Yanitza]

It doesn't work like that. North Cyprus is the result of occupation and illegal settlement.

In response to a series of attempts by the Greek Cypriots to ethnically cleanse out the turkish minority.

The Greek Cypriots should be happy Turkey didn't opt to return the favour and throw them into the sea.

Except that Greek Cypriots never tried to cleanse the Turkish Cypriots

yeah, except you knwo they did that too the majority Greek Cypriot North

[Haakopen]

In response to a series of attempts by the Greek Cypriots to ethnically cleanse out the turkish minority.

The Greek Cypriots should be happy Turkey didn't opt to return the favour and throw them into the sea.

Except that Greek Cypriots never tried to cleanse the Turkish Cypriots

yeah, except you knwo they did that too the majority Greek Cypriot North

Proof of Crimes agaisnt Turkish Cypriots

[Nazis in Space]

In response to a series of attempts by the Greek Cypriots to ethnically cleanse out the turkish minority.

The Greek Cypriots should be happy Turkey didn't opt to return the favour and throw them into the sea.

Υes cause the Turks entered Cyprus with flowers. And source that there was active genocide in the island against the Turks?

Konflikte seit 1945: Europa; Published by Frank R. Pfetch Amazon haz it.

And did you seriously expect Turkey to enter with flowers when it was protecting ethnic turks from Greek mobs? lul

You earn what you sow. Well. You should earn what you sow. Sadly, Turkey stopped short of throwing the Greek mobs into the sea. That's unfortunate.