The AK-47 vs the AR-15

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Everything after the fourth item on that list is not an AK-47 variant.

[Moriala]

Everything after the fourth item on that list is not an AK-47 variant.

They're all linked to the AK-47, like their design, etc. The close ones are more different than the new AK-47 branch-offs.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Everything after the fourth item on that list is not an AK-47 variant.

They're all linked to the AK-47, like their design, etc. The close ones are more different than the new AK-47 branch-offs.

The AK-74 series is an AK derivative, yes, but they're not strictly related - unlike the WASR, the Maadi, Type-56 or M70. Which are all AK or AKM variants in effect.
The AK-100 and AK-200 series are, again, AK derivatives, but not of the same family.
As this wonderful graphic shows, the AK/AKM family tree ends at the AK-74
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmi ... ov-AKM.pdf

[San-Silvacian]

Everything after the fourth item on that list is not an AK-47 variant.

They're all linked to the AK-47, like their design, etc. The close ones are more different than the new AK-47 branch-offs.

In that logic, the Prussian Needle Rifle is the father of all bolt-action rifles and every single rifle since has been a branch off of it.

[Immoren]

They're all linked to the AK-47, like their design, etc. The close ones are more different than the new AK-47 branch-offs.

In that logic, the Prussian Needle Rifle is the father of all bolt-action rifles and every single rifle since has been a branch off of it.

Phylogenetic tree of firearms.

[Olthar]

The best gun is obviously the BFG 9000. I mean, obviously.

[Yes Im Biop]

The AK Family is reliable, The AR-15 family is like a box of legos. That being said I like Bolt rifles better than ether the AK family or AR.

[Kouralia]

SMLE gogogo

[Yes Im Biop]

The AK-47 doesn't exist. Unless if you are referring to the 1947 prototype which is very hard to find outside of museums. Most weapons referred to (mistakenly) as AK-47's are really AKM's and Norinco Type 56 Assault Rifles. I have always been more of a fan of the AKM since it is very reliable, easier to train with, more robust, easier to field strip, and is more lethal.

Most people refer to it as an AK-47.

Most people are wrong


Spree do you have that saved to word or what?

[Ayreonia]

Do you wanna be ready to kill people?

AKM

inferioir to finnish overengineering and shooting range rifle known as 7.62 rk 95 tp/m92s/m95

Over-engineering? Shooting range rifle?

u wat m8

[Immoren]

inferioir to finnish overengineering and shooting range rifle known as 7.62 rk 95 tp/m92s/m95

Over-engineering? Shooting range rifle?

u wat m8

rk 95 is of too tight tolerances for battle field and has sights best left to target rifles on rifle range.

[Moriala]

You know what?

THE L85A2 IS AWESOME, TOO. ARGUE OVER IT.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg

[San-Silvacian]

You know what?

THE L85A2 IS AWESOME, TOO. ARGUE OVER IT.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg

bah.

Ak best rifle.

[Moriala]

You know what?

THE L85A2 IS AWESOME, TOO. ARGUE OVER IT.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg

bah.

Ak best rifle.

Lie. The AK series is starting to get outdated.

The M16 (And M4) Series:
-M16A1 http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/d/dd/M16a1.jpg
-M16A2 http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVPwvmFI5etKpLboHGDS3mTnYXfnV0UZtLyF86_ZulFH0lnEK-ng
-M16A3 http://www.airsoft-arena.com/media/products/resized/800x/star_m16a3_2.jpg
-M16A4 http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTITpxeEqOfIjAR9jwpzsc_hrGMmseeH9rnDE3n-zCXRCxs-qJy
-M4A1 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/4847396636_846e1a86cb_z.jpg

[San-Silvacian]

bah.

Ak best rifle.

Lie. The AK series is starting to get outdated.

lolu

<3

cutie pie.

[Trezchoix]

As a avid shooter the AR is more accurate than the AK the round is faster to but, The AR has to many parts not easily put back together unless trained & no real stopping power. AK very reliable,Cheap,Easy to use & put together. But not as accurate & the round is slower & you cant get as much distance. But you can go with the FN FAL the west's version of a AK. Very reliable,Cheap,Easy to use,Great stopping power,Great accuracy,BUT its heavy. Or G3 all the same except its a stamped receiver and if it breaks your pretty much F'd.Where the FAL is a machined receiver & can enter change ( Except the british FAL ).

The FAL wins in my view.

[Kouralia]

You know what?

THE L85A2 IS AWESOME, TOO. ARGUE OVER IT.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg

bah.

Ak best rifle.

That's also a picture of the L85A1.

Try harder.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

bah.

Ak best rifle.

Lie. The AK series is starting to get outdated.

The M16 (And M4) Series:
-M16A1 http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/d/dd/M16a1.jpg
-M16A2 http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVPwvmFI5etKpLboHGDS3mTnYXfnV0UZtLyF86_ZulFH0lnEK-ng
-M16A3 http://www.airsoft-arena.com/media/products/resized/800x/star_m16a3_2.jpg
-M16A4 http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTITpxeEqOfIjAR9jwpzsc_hrGMmseeH9rnDE3n-zCXRCxs-qJy
-M4A1 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/4847396636_846e1a86cb_z.jpg

The M16 is the same weapon it was fifty years ago - it's barely younger than the SVD. The M24/M40 rifles are both R700s, a weapon of the exact same vintage.
The L85 is a bullpup AR-18 with minor changes.
The AK is the same proven platform it was in 1951.

[San-Silvacian]

As a avid shooter the AR is more accurate than the AK the round is faster to but, The AR has to many parts not easily put back together unless trained & no real stopping power. AK very reliable,Cheap,Easy to use & put together. But not as accurate & the round is slower & you cant get as much distance. But you can go with the FN FAL the west's version of a AK. Very reliable,Cheap,Easy to use,Great stopping power,Great accuracy,BUT its heavy. Or G3 all the same except its a stamped receiver and if it breaks your pretty much F'd.Where the FAL is a machined receiver & can enter change ( Except the british FAL ).

The FAL wins in my view.

For the record, the FAiL isn't the West's version of the AK. Funny thing is the FAiL gets points knocked off because it has an Imperial and Metric model which means parts can be confusing to find.

The AR-18 is the Western AK, if there even is any such thing.

Comparing a Battle Rifle to an Assault Rifle after certain points like comparing apples to oranges. Sure they are both round, taste good and are a fruit, but after that you begin to diverge away from the two.

The AK can be produced from shovels, left over parts and pieced together from different AK parts from different nations. You can drop an AK on its magazine, pick it up, empty it and the next four you have in your pouch and still use food fat to lubricate it's internals and motor oil to lube the barrel with your boot laces.

The FAL is a good rifle as is the G3, however those two are outclassed in terms of weight, usability and ease of production by the AK.

Also, do you know the modern battlefield's engagement range is under 300 meters? Its been like this since before World War 2. The max most armies train with modern assault rifles is to 400-500 meters with iron sights, farther with the use of optics. Under 300 meters bullet drop doesn't mean shit. Accuracy starts to not really matter when you use an AK or AR.

Also AR does little damage If you shoot someone with a 5.56x45mm round, 9/10 they will go down with at least an "ow".

This isn't a game or shooting wood targets 100 meters away.

[CTALNH]

Most people refer to it as an AK-47.

Most people are wrong


Spree do you have that saved to word or what?

I would say AKM for the win but.... AK 12 for the win!

[Lemanrussland]

Over-engineering? Shooting range rifle?

u wat m8

rk 95 is of too tight tolerances for battle field and has sights best left to target rifles on rifle range.

"tight tolerances"

Whenever I hear this, I want to pull my hair out. The AR-15's tolerances aren't even that tight.

The RK95's tolerances aren't significantly different from the Polish AK it's based off of.

[Ayreonia]

Over-engineering? Shooting range rifle?

u wat m8

rk 95 is of too tight tolerances for battle field and has sights best left to target rifles on rifle range.

I respectfully disagree. It's a simple, sturdy rifle and in no way "of too tight tolerances". Or that depends, I guess. Compared to a javelin? Yeah. Compared to basically any other modern service rifle? Nope.

I undestand that not everybody likes the sights, but I personally greatly prefer them to the ones on the RK62.

[New Maldorainia]

You know what?

THE L85A2 IS AWESOME, TOO. ARGUE OVER IT.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/SA-80_rifle_1996.jpg

The L85 had a lot of problems.

[Trezchoix]

As a avid shooter the AR is more accurate than the AK the round is faster to but, The AR has to many parts not easily put back together unless trained & no real stopping power. AK very reliable,Cheap,Easy to use & put together. But not as accurate & the round is slower & you cant get as much distance. But you can go with the FN FAL the west's version of a AK. Very reliable,Cheap,Easy to use,Great stopping power,Great accuracy,BUT its heavy. Or G3 all the same except its a stamped receiver and if it breaks your pretty much F'd.Where the FAL is a machined receiver & can enter change ( Except the british FAL ).

The FAL wins in my view.

For the record, the FAiL isn't the West's version of the AK. Funny thing is the FAiL gets points knocked off because it has an Imperial and Metric model which means parts can be confusing to find.

The AR-18 is the Western AK, if there even is any such thing.

Comparing a Battle Rifle to an Assault Rifle after certain points like comparing apples to oranges. Sure they are both round, taste good and are a fruit, but after that you begin to diverge away from the two.

The AK can be produced from shovels, left over parts and pieced together from different AK parts from different nations. You can drop an AK on its magazine, pick it up, empty it and the next four you have in your pouch and still use food fat to lubricate it's internals and motor oil to lube the barrel with your boot laces.

The FAL is a good rifle as is the G3, however those two are outclassed in terms of weight, usability and ease of production by the AK.

Also, do you know the modern battlefield's engagement range is under 300 meters? Its been like this since before World War 2. The max most armies train with modern assault rifles is to 400-500 meters with iron sights, farther with the use of optics. Under 300 meters bullet drop doesn't mean shit. Accuracy starts to not really matter when you use an AK or AR.

Also AR does little damage If you shoot someone with a 5.56x45mm round, 9/10 they will go down with at least an "ow".

This isn't a game or shooting wood targets 100 meters away.

I meant on terms of use 90 different nations used them. It was the right arm of the free world & from knowledge my dad a Rhodesian/South African used the FAL,G3,AK. He was in the Rhodesian bush war, South African Border war. Hes said time & time again only the FAL & G3 had that type of stopping power. But he said they were extremely heavy i own both & just one mag & the gun its self is not for the faint of heart. But you want something that WILL without a doubt reach out and touch someone & kill its the FAL or G3. & its not a FAiL its FAL...

[CTALNH]

bah.

Ak best rifle.

Lie. The AK series is starting to get outdated.

The M16 (And M4) Series:
-M16A1 http://images.wikia.com/deadliestfiction/images/d/dd/M16a1.jpg
-M16A2 http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVPwvmFI5etKpLboHGDS3mTnYXfnV0UZtLyF86_ZulFH0lnEK-ng
-M16A3 http://www.airsoft-arena.com/media/products/resized/800x/star_m16a3_2.jpg
-M16A4 http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTITpxeEqOfIjAR9jwpzsc_hrGMmseeH9rnDE3n-zCXRCxs-qJy
-M4A1 http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/4847396636_846e1a86cb_z.jpg

You have never seen the AK 12?