The AK-47 vs the AR-15

[Immoren]

Do you wanna be ready to kill people?

AKM

inferioir to finnish overengineering and shooting range rifle known as 7.62 rk 95 tp/m92s/m95

[Premislyd]

The TAR-21 is a carbine like the M4.

lul n00b stop playing BF3

[San-Silvacian]

No.

The TAR-21 is a carbine like the M4.

In a prolonged battle between an AK-74M and a TAR-21, you'll find the guy with the AK-74M popping the TARd allot.

I'm starting to think that you're just an AK fan and will reject any other rifle.

No, I was being nice to the TARd.

If you were to put an M16A4 MWS against a TAR, it would be even more unfair, as you move up the tree of accurate rifles, the TAR just becomes more and a more what it is.

A carbine.

[Immoren]

I'm starting to think that you're just an AK fan and will reject any other rifle.

No, I was being nice to the TARd.

If you were to put an M16A4 MWS against a TAR, it would be even more unfair, as you move up the tree of accurate rifles, the TAR just becomes more and a more what it is.

A carbine.

all assault rifles are carbines tho :<

[CTALNH]

Do you wanna be ready to kill people?

AKM

inferioir to finnish overengineering and shooting range rifle known as 7.62 rk 95 tp/m92s/m95

Still a freaking AK variant no matter how changed it is.

[San-Silvacian]

But the irony is so delicious.

[Immoren]

inferioir to finnish overengineering and shooting range rifle known as 7.62 rk 95 tp/m92s/m95

Still a freaking AK variant no matter how changed it is.

it's not AK variant obviously because it's components are not interchangeable with aks :^

[Kouralia]

No, I was being nice to the TARd.

If you were to put an M16A4 MWS against a TAR, it would be even more unfair, as you move up the tree of accurate rifles, the TAR just becomes more and a more what it is.

A carbine.

L85A2 vs M16A4 gogogo

[San-Silvacian]

Still a freaking AK variant no matter how changed it is.

it's not AK variant obviously because it's components are not interchangeable with aks :^

Its magazines are~

[Immoren]

it's not AK variant obviously because it's components are not interchangeable with aks :^

Its magazines are~

details

[CTALNH]

Still a freaking AK variant no matter how changed it is.

it's not AK variant obviously because it's components are not interchangeable with aks :^

The RK 95 TP is a select-fire, gas-operated firearm using the Kalashnikov-pattern operating system with a long stroke gas piston rod coupled to the bolt carrier as in the AK rifle. The rotating bolt locks into battery via two locking lugs.

Does not matter.It is nothing more than an overrefined AK...

[Immoren]

it's not AK variant obviously because it's components are not interchangeable with aks :^

The RK 95 TP is a select-fire, gas-operated firearm using the Kalashnikov-pattern operating system with a long stroke gas piston rod coupled to the bolt carrier as in the AK rifle. The rotating bolt locks into battery via two locking lugs.

Does not matter.It is nothing more than an overrefined AK...

just like ak is variant of m1 garand because it uses long stroke piston like it :^

[Premislyd]

The RK 95 TP is a select-fire, gas-operated firearm using the Kalashnikov-pattern operating system with a long stroke gas piston rod coupled to the bolt carrier as in the AK rifle. The rotating bolt locks into battery via two locking lugs.

Does not matter.It is nothing more than an overrefined AK...

just like ak is variant of m1 garand because it uses long stroke piston like it :^

m1 carbine is shorter version of m1 garand

[CTALNH]

The RK 95 TP is a select-fire, gas-operated firearm using the Kalashnikov-pattern operating system with a long stroke gas piston rod coupled to the bolt carrier as in the AK rifle. The rotating bolt locks into battery via two locking lugs.

Does not matter.It is nothing more than an overrefined AK...

just like ak is variant of m1 garand because it uses long stroke piston like it :^

Yeah yeah moan and complain all you want.

It doesn't change the truth.

Also the M1 does not use the AK piston type....

[Suid Afrika (Ancient)]

The Vz is better made than most AK's, lighter, and more accurate. I have an Arsenal SLR and hands down the Vz is the better gun.

I highly doubt its made better than the AK. Can you make parts (i.e. lower receivers, stocks) for a Vz 58? out of a common shovel? I think not. The AK hardly ever fails, one member of this forum has only had an AK break on them like three times. And that was because he was trying to.

Also lighter? The Vz-58 is almost 4 kilograms, thats almost nine pounds which is pretty damn heavy for a modern assault rifle. The Russian AKM is only 6.8 pounds and AK-74 only 7.3 pounds.

srs lols

Speaking from personal experience, the Vz has always shown up all my colleagues AKs, save one, a pre-ban Hungarian AKMS. The Vz 58 is lighter than any AK I've ever shot or handled. This includes Arsenals, I.O., Century, and TGI AKs. I would interested to know which kind of AK you own and whether or not you have any experience with the Vz.

[Immoren]

just like ak is variant of m1 garand because it uses long stroke piston like it :^

Yeah yeah moan and complain all you want.

It doesn't change the truth.

Also the M1 does not use the AK piston type....

you are right it uses m1s double locking lugs and unlocking raceway. stg44s gas system. :^

[CTALNH]

Yeah yeah moan and complain all you want.

It doesn't change the truth.

Also the M1 does not use the AK piston type....

you are right it uses m1s double locking lugs and unlocking raceway. stg44s gas system. :^

And we are an impasse.

[San-Silvacian]

m1 garand is varaint of needle rifle because self-contained cartridge

I highly doubt its made better than the AK. Can you make parts (i.e. lower receivers, stocks) for a Vz 58? out of a common shovel? I think not. The AK hardly ever fails, one member of this forum has only had an AK break on them like three times. And that was because he was trying to.

Also lighter? The Vz-58 is almost 4 kilograms, thats almost nine pounds which is pretty damn heavy for a modern assault rifle. The Russian AKM is only 6.8 pounds and AK-74 only 7.3 pounds.

srs lols

Speaking from personal experience, the Vz has always shown up all my colleagues AKs, save one, a pre-ban Hungarian AKMS. The Vz 58 is lighter than any AK I've ever shot or handled. This includes Arsenals, I.O., Century, and TGI AKs. I would interested to know which kind of AK you own and whether or not you have any experience with the Vz.[/quote

Oh look, an attempted to discredit me, how pleasant.

[Immoren]

m1 garand is varaint of needle rifle because self-contained cartridge

all ranged weapons are variants of a thrown rock~

[Lemanrussland]

Do you wanna be ready to kill people?

AKM

inferioir to finnish overengineering and shooting range rifle known as 7.62 rk 95 tp/m92s/m95

I thought the Finnish rifles were largely copies of the AKM, except different furniture, different butt-stock, different sights, a different muzzle brake, and some other improvements? It's pretty much a high-end AK, not a new design in it's own right.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... embled.jpg

It field strips largely the same (one exception is the gas tube).

[Suid Afrika (Ancient)]

m1 garand is varaint of needle rifle because self-contained cartridge

Speaking from personal experience, the Vz has always shown up all my colleagues AKs, save one, a pre-ban Hungarian AKMS. The Vz 58 is lighter than any AK I've ever shot or handled. This includes Arsenals, I.O., Century, and TGI AKs. I would interested to know which kind of AK you own and whether or not you have any experience with the Vz.[/quote

Oh look, an attempted to discredit me, how pleasant.

Not an attempt to discredit you, merely trying to understand your viewpoint. All companies have slight differences in the AK's they put out, build quality, furniture material, barrel specs, etc.

For example the WASR 10/63, my first AK type rifle, is far from the perfect AK. It is, however, a decent build with a good quality chrome lined barrel. I have found it to be just what it is, a basic AK for a good price.

Now, the Arsenal SLR-107CR is what the WASR could be. It's a high quality build with a Bulgarian receiver and and barrel. I've found it more accurate than the WASR and smoother when operating. It's got a nice finish the WASR doesn't have and comfortable polymer furniture. It's all in all a great gun.

Now the Vz 2008, nothing special eh? High quality milled receiver, nice chrome lined barrel, short stroke piston system, AK type sights (which I like), better furniture than the WASR (I've always found it more comfortable), plus the bolt hold open capability. Just an overall great gun, superior (in my opinion) to the AK in every way.

Your experience may have been completely different than mine.

[Big Jim P]

just like ak is variant of m1 garand because it uses long stroke piston like it :^

m1 carbine is shorter version of m1 garand

Not really since it fires a different round.

[Premislyd]

m1 carbine is shorter version of m1 garand

Not really since it fires a different round.

no, they use the same operating mechanism

[Big Jim P]

Not really since it fires a different round.

no, they use the same operating mechanism

Wrong

Unlike conventional carbines, which are generally a version of a parent rifle with a shorter barrel (like the earlier .30-40 U.S. Krag rifle and carbine and the later M16 rifle and M4 carbine), the M1 carbine has only one minor part in common with the M1 rifle (a short buttplate screw) and fires a different cartridge.

Please educate yourself next time before you post.

[Conserative Morality]

FAMAS all the way.

(In reality, I've never shot anything other than an AR-15, so I'm really just talking out of my ass here, but really, the FAMAS is just the coolest)