Should Pluto be a Planet?

[Cetacea]

The "e" is not silent. Anyway, the name makemake (a name in Rapa Nui) comes from Easter Island mythology, in which Makemake created humanity.

So Makemake made made humanity?

Nah Olthar is correct with this one, the name is pronounced Ma-ke-ma-ke not Make-make. It is a perfectly normal legitimate name not a in-joke for your amusement

Once again: the language that we are using here is English. In English, the word "makemake" is usually going to be read as "make-make". If you want it to be read different, you could use pronunciation symbols, like you did in that post, i.e. "Ma-ke-ma-ke", which ensures a different reading. Otherwise, I am going to use English when using English, and I don't see how that's ethnocentric.

So how would you pronounce Avignon or Carlisle?

[Uieurnthlaal]

No, you would only add four others, by combining the group of planets and dwarf planets into a full group of planets. So, you'd end up with thirteen planets.

And lose a useful classification, ...

... which is why I don't think that eliminating rule "c." in the IAU definition of planets would be a good thing.

[Olthar]

Nope, I admitted that the mispronunciation was incorrect, once it was explained to me. But, believe it or not, words that aren't English but written in English might, *gasps in shock and horror* actually be mispronounced! Imagine that! I'm sorry, I thought that was blatantly obvious, but apparently it wasn't.

English has no consistent pronunciation, being an incomprehensible mess of Norse, Old English, and French, with additions from hundreds of other languages. That might be a pain, but as an English speaker, you must learn that spelling only vaguely correlates with pronunciation, and learn the pronunciation of the english language one by one.

Took the words right out of my mouth. It amazes me that so many native speakers of a language as inconsistent as English aren't more concerned about learning proper pronunciation for unfamiliar words.

[Shofercia]

Nope, I admitted that the mispronunciation was incorrect, once it was explained to me. But, believe it or not, words that aren't English but written in English might, *gasps in shock and horror* actually be mispronounced! Imagine that! I'm sorry, I thought that was blatantly obvious, but apparently it wasn't.

English has no consistent pronunciation, being an incomprehensible mess of Norse, Old English, and French, with additions from hundreds of other languages. That might be a pain, but as an English speaker, you must learn that spelling only vaguely correlates with pronunciation, and learn the pronunciation of the english language one by one.

Took the words right out of my mouth. It amazes me that so many native speakers of a language as inconsistent as English aren't more concerned about learning proper pronunciation for unfamiliar words.

Erm, WRONG! Every language has some consistencies, such as the words "make, bake, cake, shake, take". Learning pronunciation of any language word by word will drive almost anyone insane, and that is absolutely horrendous advice to give to those who are trying to learn English. Instead, use this guide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology

[Galborg]

Because Wikipedia is obviously more authoritative than an astronomy professor.

Wikipedia's information, in this example, comes from the IAU - a collection of professional astronomers.

You were saying?

IAU used to be a collection of professional astronomers. But then Neil de Grasse Tyson took over and turned it into a collection of Islamiq priests.

[Shofercia]

So Makemake made made humanity?




Once again: the language that we are using here is English. In English, the word "makemake" is usually going to be read as "make-make". If you want it to be read different, you could use pronunciation symbols, like you did in that post, i.e. "Ma-ke-ma-ke", which ensures a different reading. Otherwise, I am going to use English when using English, and I don't see how that's ethnocentric.

So how would you pronounce Avignon or Carlisle?

Carlisle is English, i.e. Carl's Isle. And, if I didn't get proper instructions on pronouncing Avignon, I'd most definitely mispronounce that. That's why mature people give out proper pronunciation guides to words borrowed from another language, and others babble about ethnocentrism, which contributes nothing to the discussion at hand.

[Uieurnthlaal]

So how would you pronounce Avignon or Carlisle?

Carlisle is English, i.e. Carl's Isle. And, if I didn't get proper instructions on pronouncing Avignon, I'd most definitely mispronounce that. That's why mature people give out proper pronunciation guides to words borrowed from another language, whereas immature ones babble about ethnocentrism, which contributes nothing to the discussion at hand.

So, why didn't you look it up to find out how it's pronounced for yourself, instead of babbling about how you're not ethnocentric at all.

[Shofercia]

Carlisle is English, i.e. Carl's Isle. And, if I didn't get proper instructions on pronouncing Avignon, I'd most definitely mispronounce that. That's why mature people give out proper pronunciation guides to words borrowed from another language, whereas immature ones babble about ethnocentrism, which contributes nothing to the discussion at hand.

So, why didn't you look it up to find out how it's pronounced for yourself, instead of babbling about how you're not ethnocentric at all.

I saw the word "Makemake" which I read as the commonly used word "make", which I already know how to pronounce because it's commonly used. Duh! Additionally, if I'm explaining why I'm not ethnocentric, well, you don't exactly need Sherlock Holmes to deduce that I wasn't the one who started this tangent now, do you?

[Utceforp]

I find it slightly sad when people can't accept that Pluto isn't a planet. If we can't accept this one, meaningless change, how are we going to accept any kind of scientific progress?

[Pelestria]

Even though Pluto doesn't care about its classification, I remember when it was a planet... oh nostalgia....

[Anachronous Rex]

They invented a reason. That's why it stings.

[Nazis in Space]

This is all.

[Galborg]

Neil de Grasse Tyson was expelled from the Illuminati, that is why he allied with the Cthulic Lizards.

[Fartsniffage]

They totally should have grandfathered in Pluto.

It's a planet and I'll never believe anything else.

[Utceforp]

They totally should have grandfathered in Pluto.

It's a planet and I'll never believe anything else.

If you can't accept scientific progress as simple as "oops, on a technicality we have to add the word "dwarf" to Pluto's classification", then how can you accept any scientific progress at all?

[Maurepas]

No, I'm afraid not. When they first came out with the idea that Pluto wasn't a planet, I naturally like many others knee-jerked an angry response at these people attacking a favorite cartoon dog.

But then you realize that there are other Dwarf planets in the Solar System and some of those, like Ceres in the Asteroid belt, are bigger than Pluto and you have to conclude that if Ceres can't be a planet in the Asteroid belt, then Pluto can't be a planet in the Kuiper belt, which also includes other Dwarf planets such as Makemake and Haumea.

[Olthar]

They totally should have grandfathered in Pluto.

It's a planet and I'll never believe anything else.

I wish I could say that I've never seen someone so willfully and unabashedly reject science, but I'd, sadly, be wrong. This isn't at all surprising, more par for the course.

[Flaskjinia]

According to Flaskjinia, If something doesn't meet the definition of something, Then it is not that. This is why Pluto is not considered a planet, Because it does not meet a planet's definition. -Simply put- Saying Pluto is a planet is like saying an Asteroid is a planet because it is part of a solar system.

[Fartsniffage]

They totally should have grandfathered in Pluto.

It's a planet and I'll never believe anything else.

If you can't accept scientific progress as simple as "oops, on a technicality we have to add the word "dwarf" to Pluto's classification", then how can you accept any scientific progress at all?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm not an astro-physicist. What my personal opinion about the correct name for a rock billions of miles away is matters not in any way. Nor does my enjoying a slightly romantic view impact me in any way. If that changes then I can re-examine my opinion.

Until then, Pluto is a plant to me.

[Maurepas]

If you can't accept scientific progress as simple as "oops, on a technicality we have to add the word "dwarf" to Pluto's classification", then how can you accept any scientific progress at all?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm not an astro-physicist. What my personal opinion about the correct name for a rock billions of miles away is matters not in any way. Nor does my enjoying a slightly romantic view impact me in any way. If that changes then I can re-examine my opinion.

Until then, Pluto is a plant to me.

[Utceforp]

If you can't accept scientific progress as simple as "oops, on a technicality we have to add the word "dwarf" to Pluto's classification", then how can you accept any scientific progress at all?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm not an astro-physicist. What my personal opinion about the correct name for a rock billions of miles away is matters not in any way. Nor does my enjoying a slightly romantic view impact me in any way. If that changes then I can re-examine my opinion.

Until then, Pluto is a plant to me.

The fact that it does not matter is what is upsetting. If you can't change your opinion on a the name of a rock billions of miles away, how can you change your opinion on something that actually matters? Also, "Dwarf Planet" is the correct term, as in, that's a fact. You can't have an opinion on it, you are either right or you are wrong.

[Fartsniffage]

They totally should have grandfathered in Pluto.

It's a planet and I'll never believe anything else.

I wish I could say that I've never seen someone so willfully and unabashedly reject science, but I'd, sadly, be wrong. This isn't at all surprising, more par for the course.

Yes, because as we all know, only following the current consensus is exactly what science is all about. *nods*

There will be no dissent!

[Divair]

Because Wikipedia is obviously more authoritative than an astronomy professor.

Clearly your professor is wrong or nonexistent.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not an astronomer, I'm not an astro-physicist. What my personal opinion about the correct name for a rock billions of miles away is matters not in any way. Nor does my enjoying a slightly romantic view impact me in any way. If that changes then I can re-examine my opinion.

Until then, Pluto is a plant to me.

The Triffids had to come from somewhere....

[Utceforp]

I wish I could say that I've never seen someone so willfully and unabashedly reject science, but I'd, sadly, be wrong. This isn't at all surprising, more par for the course.

Yes, because as we all know, only following the current consensus is exactly what science is all about. *nods*

There will be no dissent!

Ah, I understand your sarcasm! Science isn't about only following the current consensus, it's about following the past consensus and ignoring the present consensus! *nods*

There will be nao changes tu teh nostalgia!