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Do you believe that extraterrestrials exist?

Yes, and I believe that many or even most of them would be just as advanced or more advanced than we are.
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Yes, but I believe that extraterrestrial life would be more like what the OP said.
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Yes, but I believe that extraterrestrial life would all be primitive.
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No, Earth is the only planet with life.
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Total votes : 327


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Santo Rico
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Postby Santo Rico » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:40 pm

They exist but i dont think that they come to the earth.


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Jamjai
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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:47 pm

I saw a tv show and it told that aliens are digging into woman fetuses to make human-alien hybrids I'm being serious :meh:

theres a lot of witness of people seeing aliens so it must be real?

sorry, I scared you guys
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Postby Agorya » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:48 pm

If aliens exist, what form of government would they have?

(Not including hivemind insectoids).
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Postby Santo Rico » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:52 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Santo Rico wrote:They exist but i dont think that they come to the earth.

You know this how?


We cant be the only ones with intelligence in this vast universe. That is what i think.
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Jamjai
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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:01 pm

I bet there the one that adduct cows in farms and collect they're body parts like for example the anus or its Satanist that do that or some another high-tech mentally ill group
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:02 pm

Jamjai wrote:1. I saw a tv show and it told that aliens are digging into woman fetuses to make human-alien hybrids I'm being serious :meh:

2. theres a lot of witness of people seeing aliens so it must be real?

3. sorry, I scared you guys


1. That's called science fiction. Its fake.

2. If seeing shit makes something real, then flashburns from cameras must be real.

3. That was about as scary as eating a chocolate chip cookie.

Agorya wrote:If aliens exist, what form of government would they have?

(Not including hivemind insectoids).


Well, those with extremely fast communication speeds, and fast data processing, the most likely government would be direct democracy, even for a planet-wide civilization.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:03 pm

Jamjai wrote:I bet there the one that adduct cows in farms and collect they're body parts like for example the anus or its Satanist that do that or some another high-tech mentally ill group


Your post is literally incoherent babbling. :palm:
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Baladeva
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Postby Baladeva » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:15 pm

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Jamjai
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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:20 pm

a chocolate chip cookie that chokes you...I bet :meh:
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:21 pm

Agorya wrote:If aliens exist, what form of government would they have?
(Not including hivemind insectoids).

Intelligent alien life could potentially have the same variety of government structures as is found on Earth. Perhaps more.

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Postby Agorya » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:38 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Agorya wrote:If aliens exist, what form of government would they have?
(Not including hivemind insectoids).

Intelligent alien life could potentially have the same variety of government structures as is found on Earth. Perhaps more.


Anarchic, perhaps? ^-^
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:00 pm

Agorya wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Intelligent alien life could potentially have the same variety of government structures as is found on Earth. Perhaps more.


Anarchic, perhaps? ^-^


If they're anything like us, they wouldn't be at all likely to be technologically advanced. They'd be a bit below tribal societies.

I'd argue that anarchic societies with any degree of order are only possible with some form of telepathy (I'd argue such communication would be possible via specialized organs capable of sending and receiving radio transmissions).
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:10 pm

With how big this whole universe is, I'm sure there has to be some form of extraterrestrial life out there. I doubt they're little green men who come to Earth though.
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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:30 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Agorya wrote:
Anarchic, perhaps? ^-^


If they're anything like us, they wouldn't be at all likely to be technologically advanced. They'd be a bit below tribal societies.

I'd argue that anarchic societies with any degree of order are only possible with some form of telepathy (I'd argue such communication would be possible via specialized organs capable of sending and receiving radio transmissions).


what?
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Postby Albul » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:33 pm

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If extraterrestrials didn't exist then how did they make up all these films? Also, how were they able to get these aliens on film?/sarcasm
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:37 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
If they're anything like us, they wouldn't be at all likely to be technologically advanced. They'd be a bit below tribal societies.

I'd argue that anarchic societies with any degree of order are only possible with some form of telepathy (I'd argue such communication would be possible via specialized organs capable of sending and receiving radio transmissions).


what?


Anarchic societies tend to not progress much, if at all, due to survival being the sole focus of all members of society, for as long as the anarchy lasts (which, at least in terms of humanity, isn't that long, as we tend to very quickly realize that anarchy is a shitty way of life, and organize governments to prevent it).
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The Four Corners Commonwealth
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Postby The Four Corners Commonwealth » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:20 pm

If we look at homo habilis,the first stone using species that existed 2 million years ago, we have been on earth for .05% of our planets 4.5 billion year history. We likely will not be here more than .1%, so even if we found another race there is no guarantee they would be alive. Any species that we found would have to survive similar near-extinction events, such as near nuclear war (US-USSR had a near showdown, in case anyone forgot), a plague (such as Black Death), volcanic disaster (70,000 years ago a "super volcano" erupted that wiped out another homo family member while reducing humanity to some 10,000 members), and more. There are many things that could trigger extinction to come. Famine, perhaps due to environmental neglect, could cause anarchy as mass starvations occur. Nuclear war, though unlikely, could still potentially occur due to accident or design. Even if we were not made extinct, an event such as a catastrophic power grid failure could cause society to become paralyzed or reset. Any race would presumably have to survive similar obstacles,

Going back to that .05% of intelligence on this planet, we have only been space-worthy for about 60 years (going to the 1950's to now, rounding for sputnik). This is .003% of our time on the planet. This means that the overwhelming OTHER amount of time we were not in space, and thats a small window to find aliens that are similar in development. Even if they have been space worthy for 10,000 years, thats only .5% of their planets time. This means that we would likely find the ruins of a civilization, and not necessarily the living residents. Even if a race was space faring, there is always the possibility they would not leave their planet for some reason. Perhaps they feared that their activity would attract a hostile race, perhaps they had some religious taboo. Perhaps they achieved some sustainability on their planet, and a sudden exodus for colonization would jeopardize it. A totalitarian state could fear the possibility that expansion could lead to revolution or states beyond their control, and could thus ban travel or tightly regulate it to the point it is impractical or impossible. It might be ludicrously expensive, just like it is now.

Another good example is the European exploration of the Americas in the colonial eras. Despite finding native americans, mayans, aztecs, and incas, they never found a society as technologically advanced as they were. Two continents, dozens of tribes, and numerous civilizations were found, but none were technologically superior to them. This again shows the likelihood of finding a society as advanced as ours. The same thing happened with the Aborigines, and even way back with the Nubians, the Zulu, the Celts, and more.

I do believe that life exists elsewhere, but I would not hold my breath for finding a super advanced life form, let alone believe that it would only have good intentions for us. We evolved our current traits (pack "mob mentality", us-or-them attitude, aggressiveness, gluttony, thirst to "get even", war, etc.) for particular reasons, because in the past those traits were useful. Any species would likely have similar traits, and getting rid of them would likely require eugenics, brainwashing, and/or genocide to achieve some "utopian" peace-only society. That wouldn't be a society that would necessarily be good to interact with.

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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:32 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Jamjai wrote:
what?


Anarchic societies tend to not progress much, if at all, due to survival being the sole focus of all members of society, for as long as the anarchy lasts (which, at least in terms of humanity, isn't that long, as we tend to very quickly realize that anarchy is a shitty way of life, and organize governments to prevent it).


Well, semi-anarchic societies lasted for most of human history...er..prehistory.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:14 pm

The Four Corners Commonwealth wrote:If we look at homo habilis,the first stone using species that existed 2 million years ago,

Lots of creatures use stones. Otters, for example, use rocks to break open clams.
we have been on earth for .05% of our planets 4.5 billion year history. We likely will not be here more than .1%, so even if we found another race there is no guarantee they would be alive.

Less than 0.001%, actually.
Any species that we found would have to survive similar near-extinction events, such as near nuclear war (US-USSR had a near showdown, in case anyone forgot), a plague (such as Black Death), volcanic disaster (70,000 years ago a "super volcano" erupted that wiped out another homo family member while reducing humanity to some 10,000 members), and more.

The idea that the Toba Eruption reduced the population to such a low level is falling out of favour, because of evidence showing that people survived the eruption even in the dust-covered areas. Archaeologists in northern India have found no evidence of any disruption on that sort of scale, either.
There are many things that could trigger extinction to come. Famine, perhaps due to environmental neglect, could cause anarchy as mass starvations occur. Nuclear war, though unlikely, could still potentially occur due to accident or design. Even if we were not made extinct, an event such as a catastrophic power grid failure could cause society to become paralyzed or reset. Any race would presumably have to survive similar obstacles,

Famine and anarchy would not — could not — cause an extinction event. So a whole shit-ton of people die. Some wouldn't. An eye for an eye and there's still a one-eyed man.
Power failure, even if it temporarily froze or reset our technological development, would not matter if you considered the amount of time that it has taken us to go from learning to plant grains to watching cats fall into boxes, despite those cats being thousands of kilometres away and having fallen into boxes in the past, not real time.
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Postby Cannabai » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:19 pm

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:20 pm

Cannabai wrote:Do you believe that you are a God?

Yes.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:21 pm

Agorya wrote:If aliens exist, what form of government would they have?

(Not including hivemind insectoids).


Oh, come on...
You mean Starship Troopers won't come true? :(
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