Gay bars: Discriminatory?

[Neo Art]

Carry on.

Does that make Ostro your wayward son? Will there be peace when he is done?

Only one way to find out.

[Frisivisia]

Absolutely nothing, it's not like they're both groups that are discriminated against or anything, totally different.

True, true. Anything less than 100% white supremacy with the LGBT community being superior to heterosexuals is discrimination.

Welcome to OBAMA'S AMERICA, where everyone is gay and the black panthers rule everyone to keep them white.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Carry on.

Does that make Ostro your wayward son? Will there be peace when he is done?

Nah, but I do like that song.

[Frisivisia]

Does that make Ostro your wayward son? Will there be peace when he is done?

Only one way to find out.

Should we lay his weary head to rest?

[Ostroeuropa]

It is a pretty good song.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Does that make Ostro your wayward son? Will there be peace when he is done?

Nah, but I do like that song.

*air guitars*

duh nuh nuh NUH duh nuh nuh NUH duhnuhnuhnuhnuh NUH NUH...

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

True, true. Anything less than 100% white supremacy with the LGBT community being superior to heterosexuals is discrimination.

Welcome to OBAMA'S AMERICA, where everyone is gay and the black panthers rule everyone to keep them white.

Good. Good. Now your transformation to the gay side is complete.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Nah, but I do like that song.

*air guitars*

duh nuh nuh NUH duh nuh nuh NUH duhnuhnuhnuhnuh NUH NUH...

I'm picturing you with a hairband do.

[Ifreann]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

Because Obama.

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It's entirely possible to have gay bars without discriminating against straight people. See: Probably every gay bar everywhere.

Exactly. Gay Bars are supposed to be inclusive institutions.

Well, no. Gays bars are supposed to be gay bars. Not free love bars or intolerance is shit bars.

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We need straight bars. And straight pride parades.

So then you're okay with bars forbidding homosexuals from displaying affection? And I've gone to gay pride parades, I don't recall being told at any time, "You're not allowed to get within 5 feet of a woman, and you need to go down on a guy, you know, to maintain the 'theme' of gay pride."

Learn to discern sarcasm, it'll be a great boon to you.

Exactly as I said. "[S]o as to maintain the theme of it actually being a gay bar". Being obviously gay in a rock bar, or 80s bar, or just a bar is not disrupting the theme of the place. Being obviously straight in a gay bar can be.

And here I thought the idea of a 'gay bar' was as an establishment where gays were free to party/mingle/do all the things straight people can do in other establishments without fear of judgment or discrimination. I didn't realize it was an interior design choice where having straights around breaks up the flow of feng shui.

Yeah, because what I'm talking about is the interior design. Top reading comprehension.

[Frisivisia]

Welcome to OBAMA'S AMERICA, where everyone is gay and the black panthers rule everyone to keep them white.

Good. Good. Now your transformation to the gay side is complete.

I haven't been to the gay FEMA reformation camp yet. I trust you have a black helicopter for transportation.

[Norstal]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/denmark-gay-bar-straight-kissing-_n_1475445.html

A Danish gay bar has sparked international debate after reportedly banning all heterosexual couples from kissing while visiting.

As Pink News and other LGBT sites are reporting, the founder of the Denmark-based lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) advocacy group Homosocialt Fællesskab claims a bouncer at Copenhagen's Never Mind bar told a woman in his party she could not kiss her boyfriend.

"The bouncer replied that it was unacceptable to conduct in that kind of behavior at a gay place and that Never Mind receives a lot of emails from its gay guests concerning the high number of straight guests that visit the bar," Jobbe Joller is quoted as saying. "I asked him if it was not the same as saying that black people are not allowed to kiss in Never Mind, but he disagreed and told me that the owner of Never Mind may decide who can kiss and who can’t kiss in the bar."

He then added: "I told him in a very serious tone that what they had going on was sick, and that LGBT people across Denmark struggled for acceptance and equal rights for all, while Never Mind fought against it."

Never Mind's owner told the Copenhagen Post that he didn't see the "big problem" in his establishment's policy. "I know that we need equal rights, but this is a gay bar," Christian Carlsen is quoted as saying. “We obviously have a lot of guests who aren’t homosexuals and that’s fine as long as they understand that this is a gay bar. The gays can’t go to so many other places to meet each other."

Now, I know that this news is over a year old, but I dug it up to bring up this discussion. While I am indifferent to most matters of equality and segregation (at least in today's world, because pre-Civil Rights Movement it was unacceptable), I just believe the fact that there is an establishment exclusively for homosexuals is absolute hypocrisy in its finest meaning, after all these years that the LGBT community has been fighting and campaigning for equal rights, and in recent years have actually been making significant progress.

I believe that gay bars should be banned. Let me rephrase that before a dimwitted person mistakes it for a statement of bigotry. Establishments meant exclusively for sexual orientation should be banned, that includes straight. They make all the campaigning of LGBT rights useless. Places like that should be for having fun anyway, if you're lucky enough to get lucky, good, but if you don't, whatever. Yes establishments can keep sexual orientation directed themes and what not to attract a certain crowd, but if the unwanted crowd ends up coming, it shouldn't matter.

Can gays kiss in a non-gay bar without being thrown out?

Oooh, better yet, would you seriously deduce that gays kissing in a straight strip club not get kicked out?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

Because Obama.

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Exactly. Gay Bars are supposed to be inclusive institutions.

Well, no. Gays bars are supposed to be gay bars. Not free love bars or intolerance is shit bars.

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So then you're okay with bars forbidding homosexuals from displaying affection? And I've gone to gay pride parades, I don't recall being told at any time, "You're not allowed to get within 5 feet of a woman, and you need to go down on a guy, you know, to maintain the 'theme' of gay pride."

Learn to discern sarcasm, it'll be a great boon to you.

And here I thought the idea of a 'gay bar' was as an establishment where gays were free to party/mingle/do all the things straight people can do in other establishments without fear of judgment or discrimination. I didn't realize it was an interior design choice where having straights around breaks up the flow of feng shui.

Yeah, because what I'm talking about is the interior design. Top reading comprehension.

[Nailed to the Perch]

*air guitars*

duh nuh nuh NUH duh nuh nuh NUH duhnuhnuhnuhnuh NUH NUH...

I'm picturing you with a hairband do.

Given that I have nowhere to go today and thus haven't bothered to brush my hair yet, this mental image is probably entirely accurate.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Good. Good. Now your transformation to the gay side is complete.

I haven't been to the gay FEMA reformation camp yet. I trust you have a black helicopter for transportation.

NO! I have a white helicopter for transportation.

[Galloism]

intolerance is shit bars.

Just got a name for my bar.

[Frisivisia]

I haven't been to the gay FEMA reformation camp yet. I trust you have a black helicopter for transportation.

NO! I have a white helicopter for transportation.

Is the helicopter gay?

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/denmark-gay-bar-straight-kissing-_n_1475445.html



Now, I know that this news is over a year old, but I dug it up to bring up this discussion. While I am indifferent to most matters of equality and segregation (at least in today's world, because pre-Civil Rights Movement it was unacceptable), I just believe the fact that there is an establishment exclusively for homosexuals is absolute hypocrisy in its finest meaning, after all these years that the LGBT community has been fighting and campaigning for equal rights, and in recent years have actually been making significant progress.

I believe that gay bars should be banned. Let me rephrase that before a dimwitted person mistakes it for a statement of bigotry. Establishments meant exclusively for sexual orientation should be banned, that includes straight. They make all the campaigning of LGBT rights useless. Places like that should be for having fun anyway, if you're lucky enough to get lucky, good, but if you don't, whatever. Yes establishments can keep sexual orientation directed themes and what not to attract a certain crowd, but if the unwanted crowd ends up coming, it shouldn't matter.

Can gays kiss in a non-gay bar without being thrown out?

Oooh, better yet, would you seriously deduce that gays kissing in a straight strip club not get kicked out?

If gays were kissing in a club for straight people, I would oppose their ban from the premises etc.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm picturing you with a hairband do.

Given that I have nowhere to go today and thus haven't bothered to brush my hair yet, this mental image is probably entirely accurate.

Every girl should be allowed a hairband hair day.

[Ostroeuropa]

intolerance is shit bars.

Just got a name for my bar.

I've always wanted to name one "The Stagger Home"

[Myrensis]

Learn to discern sarcasm, it'll be a great boon to you.

I was responding to your sarcasm.

Yeah, because what I'm talking about is the interior design. Top reading comprehension.

So it's a matter of music choice then? Because you are the one who compared it to a 'rock bar' or an '80's bar' as far as breaking up the 'theme'.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

NO! I have a white helicopter for transportation.

Is the helicopter gay?

Fabulously gay.

[Planeia]

I believe that gay bars should be banned. Let me rephrase that before a dimwitted person mistakes it for a statement of bigotry. Establishments meant exclusively for sexual orientation should be banned, that includes straight. They make all the campaigning of LGBT rights useless. Places like that should be for having fun anyway, if you're lucky enough to get lucky, good, but if you don't, whatever. Yes establishments can keep sexual orientation directed themes and what not to attract a certain crowd, but if the unwanted crowd ends up coming, it shouldn't matter.

Hopefully that would clear things up.

[Neo Art]

Neo Art has literally made that argument just now. Or rather, that it isn't discrimination when it's done against straight people.

Carry on.

I do feel a need to clarify one bit, so allow me to indulge. I want to address this "neo art doesn't think it's discrimination when done against straight people".

It most certainly is. Or, to be more precise, it's discrimination against conduct that disparately impacts straight people. This...rabid and unrelenting attempt to try and pin me down, screaming "SAY IT! SAY IT'S DISCRIMINATION! SAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY IIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT" that certain company has engaged in here seems to be based primarily on the same limited and fundamentally childish thinking I alluded to earlier, this myopic, uneducated, unintelligent, and fundamentally stupid idea that they've latched on to, with all the trifling intellectual might that they're capable of mustering, that "discrimination = bad!" and have thus attempted to try and "trap" me into "admitting" that it's discrimination, thus *cough* forcing me into doing a 180 on my belief system because, to these towering monuments of intellectual vapidity "discrimination = bad" and "this = discrimination" and therefore, displaying all the grand thinking of a kindergarten math class, "this = bad"

And when I come along and state, actually, I don't find it that bad, the ENTIRE effort has now swung, with singleminded (because we seem incapable of more) fury, to try and make me admit "this=discrimination" and thus force me to conclude "this = bad" just as they, demonstrating the faculties that make them suited to push shopping carts at walmart, have concluded is the natural and probable result.

And therefore, they have been stymied, utterly stuck, and completely incapable of moving on from the fact that while I freely admit this is a discriminatory act, it's one I'm just not all that bothered by.

Because, once again "discrimination = bad!" is how children think. And I'm not a child.

[Hurdegaryp]

I believe that gay bars should be banned. Let me rephrase that before a dimwitted person mistakes it for a statement of bigotry. Establishments meant exclusively for sexual orientation should be banned, that includes straight. They make all the campaigning of LGBT rights useless. Places like that should be for having fun anyway, if you're lucky enough to get lucky, good, but if you don't, whatever. Yes establishments can keep sexual orientation directed themes and what not to attract a certain crowd, but if the unwanted crowd ends up coming, it shouldn't matter.

Hopefully that would clear things up.

Only when the same also goes for religious institutions, otherwise don't bother.

[Frisivisia]

Carry on.

I do feel a need to clarify one bit, so allow me to indulge. I want to address this "neo art doesn't think it's discrimination when done against straight people".

It most certainly is. Or, to be more precise, it's discrimination against conduct that disparately impacts straight people. This...rabid and unrelenting attempt to try and pin me down, screaming "SAY IT! SAY IT'S DISCRIMINATION! SAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY IIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT" that certain company has engaged in here seems to be based primarily on the same limited and fundamentally childish thinking I alluded to earlier, this myopic, uneducated, unintelligent, and fundamentally stupid idea that they've latched on to, with all the trifling intellectual might that they're capable of mustering, that "discrimination = bad!" and have thus attempted to try and "trap" me into "admitting" that it's discrimination, thus *cough* forcing me into doing a 180 on my belief system because, to these towering monuments of intellectual vapidity "discrimination = bad" and "this = discrimination" and therefore, displaying all the grand thinking of a kindergarten math class, "this = bad"

And when I come along and state, actually, I don't find it that bad, the ENTIRE effort has now swung, with singleminded (because we seem incapable of more) fury, to try and make me admit "this=discrimination" and thus force me to conclude "this = bad" just as they, demonstrating the faculties that make them suited to push shopping carts at walmart, have concluded is the natural and probable result.

And therefore, they have been stymied, utterly stuck, and completely incapable of moving on from the fact that while I freely admit this is a discriminatory act, it's one I'm just not all that bothered by.

Because, once again "discrimination = bad!" is how children think. And I'm not a child.

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