Gay bars: Discriminatory?

[The Steel Magnolia]

And again. I flew into Copenhagen yesterday, someone tried to punch me in the washroom, and I was nearly denied seating on my plane.

explicitly for being queer.

Anti-discrimination laws at work.

That makes no sense at all. Whatsoever.

[Premislyd]

Anti-discrimination laws at work.

That makes no sense at all. Whatsoever.

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that how people on the street automatically know you're a homosexual.

[Norstal]

So, the anti-discriminatory laws only promote more discrimation? Why am I not surprised?

Maybe it's working and you need to calm your tits.

Back in the old days, are people as impatient as you?

[Ascelonia]

That makes no sense at all. Whatsoever.

Denmark has all these anti-discrimination laws. Denmark has a lot of discrimination. What part of this do you not understand?

You can't just legislate people's prejudices away. Laws aren't magic. And it's clear in the case of Denmark that these laws have backfired.

[Ascelonia]

Maybe it's working and you need to calm your tits.

Back in the old days, are people as impatient as you?

Or maybe it's slowly destroying the moral fabric of society and undermining the efforts of our Armed Forces. Denmark has also cut back on its social welfare net lately, coincidence? I think not.

[Gravlen]

Yeah, I remember in 1968, when blacks and other minorities had civil rights, they were all suddenly treated equally everywhere. Until 1991, but you know. Ignorance is bliss and all.

Oh it also helps to know that the place the O.P talks about is in Denmark, but whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Denmark
" Denmark provides one of the highest degrees of liberty in the world for its LGBT community."

It's probably safe to say homophobia in Denmark is a rare occurrence.

Not really:

30% of 13-16 y.o. don't think it's OK to be gay. Hate crimes happen more often than expected.

For nylig kunne man læse i en ny undersøgelse, at godt 30 pct. af de 13-16-årige ikke synes, at det er o.k. at være homoseksuel.

Og for en måneds tid siden offentliggjorde PET deres første årlige rapport om hadforbrydelser opgjort med en ny og mere fintmasket opgørelsesmetode. Opgørelsen viser, at antallet af hadforbrydelser, bl.a. med homofobisk motiv, er større end hidtil antaget.

http://politiken.dk/debat/analyse/ECE1168156/homofobi-har-mange-ansigter/

Every third homosexual in Sweden have experiences hate crimes. No reason to believe the number is lower in Denmark.

Der er et stort antal overfald. I Sverige er det hver tredje homoseksuel, der har oplevet et hate crime. Der er ingen grund til at tro, at tallet skulle være lavere i Danmark.

http://www.lgbt.dk/247/

4% of all victims of violence say that the motive was homophobia or transphobia.

Det er lidt under hvert tiende offer, som mener, at de har været udsat for vold på grund af racisme, mens 4 % mener, at årsagen til volden kan have været homo- eller transfobi. Omregnet til hele befolkningen betyder det, at cirka 16.000 personer har været udsat for hadforbrydelser i 2008 - 2009.

http://www.dkr.dk/hadforbrydelser

From 2009 to 2011 sexuality as a motivation in hate crimes increased from 5.6% of all registered hate crimes (via 9% in 2010) to 6%.
https://www.pet.dk/Nyheder/2013/~/media/Forebyggende%20sikkerhed/RACI-rapporter/RACIRapport2011pdf.ashx

Most hate crimes go unreported. While around 12.000 Danes reported that they had been subjected to an attack in 2008 which they claimed were motivated by their ethnicity or sexuality, only 134 cases were reported by the Danish Security and Intelligence Service (PET).
http://videnskab.dk/kultur-samfund/danske-hate-crimes-skjult-i-morketal

[Gravlen]

In Denmark, where at least one person described the situation thusly:

“People think Denmark is so open towards homosexuals, but try walking down the street holding your boyfriend’s hand. People spit and yell at you. It’s happened to me,” said Jimmy, a guest at Never Mind.

Clearly treated equally...

Oh yes. Good 'ol Jimmy. He's the premier authority on gay rights in Denmark if I recall correctly.

That was one example from someone who've visited the bar in question. For authorities, scroll up.

[The Steel Magnolia]

That makes no sense at all. Whatsoever.

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that how people on the street automatically know you're a homosexual.

What I`m having a hard time understanding is the stupidity emanating from this post.

[The Steel Magnolia]

That makes no sense at all. Whatsoever.

Denmark has all these anti-discrimination laws. Denmark has a lot of discrimination. What part of this do you not understand?

You can't just legislate people's prejudices away. Laws aren't magic. And it's clear in the case of Denmark that these laws have backfired.

Sure you can. We do it all the time.

Nor is it at all clear that anti-gay commentary has anything to do with anti-discrimination laws.

[Premislyd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights_in_Denmark
" Denmark provides one of the highest degrees of liberty in the world for its LGBT community."

It's probably safe to say homophobia in Denmark is a rare occurrence.

Not really:

30% of 13-16 y.o. don't think it's OK to be gay. Hate crimes happen more often than expected.

Opposed to the 70% that think it's okay to be gay.

4% of all victims of violence say that the motive was homophobia or transphobia.

Compared to the 96% of victims of violence that don't say the motive was homophobia or transphobia.

Now, I may be a simple man from the Midwest of the wondrous U.S of A, but 4% seems really small compared to the 96% that don't.

[Olthar]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that how people on the street automatically know you're a homosexual.

What I`m having a hard time understanding is the stupidity emanating from this post.

Don't bother with Premislyd. He's not worth the effort of responding to.

[Gravlen]

That makes no sense at all. Whatsoever.

Denmark has all these anti-discrimination laws. Denmark has a lot of discrimination. What part of this do you not understand?

You can't just legislate people's prejudices away. Laws aren't magic. And it's clear in the case of Denmark that these laws have backfired.

How? There's nothing to suggest that anti-discrimination laws have backfired. On the contrary, they seem to be working well. It's clear that the situation is Denmark is better than in most of the world. The situation is still not good enough, however - there's still work to be done.

[Premislyd]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that how people on the street automatically know you're a homosexual.

What I`m having a hard time understanding is the stupidity emanating from this post.

I mean, I have to guess that you were acting obnoxious for people to notice that you are a homosexual, in which case maybe you were nearly denied a seat on your plane for being disruptive rather than actually being gay.

[Premislyd]

What I`m having a hard time understanding is the stupidity emanating from this post.

Don't bother with Premislyd. He's not worth the effort of responding to.

Silver medal debating right there.

[The Truth and Light]

What I`m having a hard time understanding is the stupidity emanating from this post.

I mean, I have to guess that you were acting obnoxious for people to notice that you are a homosexual, in which case maybe you were nearly denied a seat on your plane for being disruptive rather than actually being gay.

Dude.

[Gravlen]

Not really:

30% of 13-16 y.o. don't think it's OK to be gay. Hate crimes happen more often than expected.

Opposed to the 70% that think it's okay to be gay.

4% of all victims of violence say that the motive was homophobia or transphobia.

Compared to the 96% of victims of violence that don't say the motive was homophobia or transphobia.

Now, I may be a simple man from the Midwest of the wondrous U.S of A, but 4% seems really small compared to the 96% that don't.

Yes, and? Your point is...?

[Ascelonia]

Sure you can. We do it all the time.

Nor is it at all clear that anti-gay commentary has anything to do with anti-discrimination laws.

Just like if I enacted a law saying it's illegal to be gay, you'll suddenly stop being homosexual? Please.

I remember Reconstruction in the United States only prolonged racist feelings and the constant efforts to uplift blacks and punish whites created a large bloc of racist voters and politicians.

If you leave it alone, it'll resolve itself. The barrel of the gun doesn't change people's fundamental beliefs. I'm sure laws prevented the Viet Cong from destroying SVN or the Taliban from continuing their insurgency.

[Premislyd]

Opposed to the 70% that think it's okay to be gay.



Compared to the 96% of victims of violence that don't say the motive was homophobia or transphobia.

Now, I may be a simple man from the Midwest of the wondrous U.S of A, but 4% seems really small compared to the 96% that don't.

Yes, and? Your point is...?

My point is that I can pull numbers out of my ass just like you.

[The Steel Magnolia]

What I`m having a hard time understanding is the stupidity emanating from this post.

I mean, I have to guess that you were acting obnoxious for people to notice that you are a homosexual, in which case maybe you were nearly denied a seat on your plane for being disruptive rather than actually being gay.

Laughing my ass off.

[Premislyd]

I mean, I have to guess that you were acting obnoxious for people to notice that you are a homosexual, in which case maybe you were nearly denied a seat on your plane for being disruptive rather than actually being gay.

Laughing my ass off.

So rather than try to prove otherwise, you're just going to laugh? That's sad, man.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Sure you can. We do it all the time.

Nor is it at all clear that anti-gay commentary has anything to do with anti-discrimination laws.

Just like if I enacted a law saying it's illegal to be gay, you'll suddenly stop being homosexual? Please.

I remember Reconstruction in the United States only prolonged racist feelings and the constant efforts to uplift blacks and punish whites created a large bloc of racist voters and politicians.

If you leave it alone, it'll resolve itself. The barrel of the gun doesn't change people's fundamental beliefs. I'm sure laws prevented the Viet Cong from destroying SVN or the Taliban from continuing their insurgency.

No, but it'd make it a heck of a lot harder for me to be out.

also lawl at your ignorance of history.

The reign of terror would totally have evaporated on its own. those abolitionists should have left alone too.

[Ascelonia]

How? There's nothing to suggest that anti-discrimination laws have backfired. On the contrary, they seem to be working well. It's clear that the situation is Denmark is better than in most of the world. The situation is still not good enough, however - there's still work to be done.

Except in one of the supposedly meccas of gay rights, there's a lot of discrimination. Making it illegal to hate gays only makes the people that hate gays hate them more. People should have an open dialogue instead of promoting politically correct nonsense.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Laughing my ass off.

So rather than try to prove otherwise, you're just going to laugh? That's sad, man.

Oh my god.

honey. puh-fucking-lease.

How, precisely, could I prove any of this? It's a personal fucking anecdote.

I think I know better than you.

[Olthar]

Just like if I enacted a law saying it's illegal to be gay, you'll suddenly stop being homosexual? Please.

I remember Reconstruction in the United States only prolonged racist feelings and the constant efforts to uplift blacks and punish whites created a large bloc of racist voters and politicians.

If you leave it alone, it'll resolve itself. The barrel of the gun doesn't change people's fundamental beliefs. I'm sure laws prevented the Viet Cong from destroying SVN or the Taliban from continuing their insurgency.

No, but it'd make it a heck of a lot harder for me to be out.

also lawl at your ignorance of history.

The reign of terror would totally have evaporated on its own. those abolitionists should have left alone too.

Clearly, everything will change if you do absolutely nothing to incite change. That's how the world works, after all.

[Premislyd]

So rather than try to prove otherwise, you're just going to laugh? That's sad, man.

Oh my god.

honey. puh-fucking-lease.

How, precisely, could I prove any of this? It's a personal fucking anecdote.

I think I know better than you.

Obviously not if you're traveling to a country that openly hates gays.