Gay bars: Discriminatory?

[Frisivisia]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

[Ostroeuropa]

Every group has a special place exclusive to them. The LGBT community is no exception. If heterosexuals don't want to be discriminated against, they should go to a heterosexual establishment.

It's entirely possible to have gay bars without discriminating against straight people. See: Probably every gay bar everywhere.

Exactly. Gay Bars are supposed to be inclusive institutions.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Discrimination is bad. No matter who does it. However, this is a privately owned establishment and it has its rules.

A libertarian stance is consistent. I'm more than willing to let it slide.
The stance I absolutely cannot fathom is the one taken where it is only discrimination if it's done against homosexuals, so this should be allowed but the exact policy reversed should not be.

Ostro, the thing is that I don't think anyone has argued that it's ok to discriminate against one group but not the other.

[Myrensis]

We need straight bars. And straight pride parades.

So then you're okay with bars forbidding homosexuals from displaying affection? And I've gone to gay pride parades, I don't recall being told at any time, "You're not allowed to get within 5 feet of a woman, and you need to go down on a guy, you know, to maintain the 'theme' of gay pride."

Exactly as I said. "[S]o as to maintain the theme of it actually being a gay bar". Being obviously gay in a rock bar, or 80s bar, or just a bar is not disrupting the theme of the place. Being obviously straight in a gay bar can be.

And here I thought the idea of a 'gay bar' was as an establishment where gays were free to party/mingle/do all the things straight people can do in other establishments without fear of judgment or discrimination. I didn't realize it was an interior design choice where having straights around breaks up the flow of feng shui.

[Neo Art]

Discrimination is bad. No matter who does it.

This is, once again, an extraordinarily myopic and fundamentally flawed view of the world that is extremely simplistic and profoundly childish.

Not every act of discrimination is bad. Some of it is downright necessary.

[Ostroeuropa]

A libertarian stance is consistent. I'm more than willing to let it slide.
The stance I absolutely cannot fathom is the one taken where it is only discrimination if it's done against homosexuals, so this should be allowed but the exact policy reversed should not be.

Ostro, the thing is that I don't think anyone has argued that it's ok to discriminate against one group but not the other.

Neo Art has literally made that argument just now. Or rather, that it isn't discrimination when it's done against straight people.

[Scott W Pilgrim]

This thread gave me Ebola.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It certainly is discrimination, in the sense that any conduct allowable to one but not allowable to another is discrimination. It is, however, discrimination based on action. Not on orientation.

I mean...that really had to be explained?

Is it, like, a full moon or something today? Did someone slip something into the water? I expect a certain level of obtuseness as a general rule, but today seems more than a little out of hand.

Maybe the answer was already known but they wanted to see if you know it?

Like, seriously? Honestly, bro? Seriously dude, like, did you really have to, like, speak annoyingly like this for that? Like honestly bro, like, like, like, seriously?

This, this is golden.

[Neo Art]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

Jesus Christ thank you

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

What the fuck does race have to do with sexuality?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Discrimination is bad. No matter who does it. However, this is a privately owned establishment and it has its rules.

Last I checked, discrimination like that is illegal.

I'm not going to engage this. No point.

[Rocopurr]

This policy is stupid, but I don't think gay bars should be banned. It's only one or so bar that has that policy; the rest of them are all fine.

[Planeia]

Like..for real. Why is "This bar is gays only, you breeders keep your hands to yourselves." acceptable, but "This bar is straights only, you fags keep your hands to yourselves." evil and discriminatory.

because one is creating a safe space for a traditionally victimized minority whose existence may not be accepted in society at large, and whose advancement has been traditionally hindered by society, and the other is continuing to propagate and promulgate a political reality based on societal discrimination that already exists.

It's the same reason why "gay pride" parades are socially acceptable but "straight pride" parades are not. Why the NAACP and the BET are socially permissible but white power groups are not. Why scholarships for minorities are supported and why scholarships for white people are generally derided as extremely racist.

Because one group combats an already biased socio-political reality, and the other promotes it.

Again this whole "but if straights can't do it why can gays do it" black and white, yes/no perspective is how children perceive the world. Adults should be better than that.

wat

[Myrensis]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

Apparently when I got my cable box installed they forgot to put in the "White Guy Chip" that prevents me from watching BET or Univision.

[Neo Art]

because one is creating a safe space for a traditionally victimized minority whose existence may not be accepted in society at large, and whose advancement has been traditionally hindered by society, and the other is continuing to propagate and promulgate a political reality based on societal discrimination that already exists.

It's the same reason why "gay pride" parades are socially acceptable but "straight pride" parades are not. Why the NAACP and the BET are socially permissible but white power groups are not. Why scholarships for minorities are supported and why scholarships for white people are generally derided as extremely racist.

Because one group combats an already biased socio-political reality, and the other promotes it.

Again this whole "but if straights can't do it why can gays do it" black and white, yes/no perspective is how children perceive the world. Adults should be better than that.

wat

There were a lot of words there, which ones in particular confused you? Did you get past "because"?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Discrimination is bad. No matter who does it.

This is, once again, an extraordinarily myopic and fundamentally flawed view of the world that is extremely simplistic and profoundly childish.

Not every act of discrimination is bad. Some of it is downright necessary.

NA, I'm referring to this case.

[Shaggai]

Discrimination is bad. No matter who does it.

This is, once again, an extraordinarily myopic and fundamentally flawed view of the world that is extremely simplistic and profoundly childish.

Not every act of discrimination is bad. Some of it is downright necessary.

The discrimination mentioned, however, is probably unnecessary.

[Frisivisia]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

What the fuck does race have to do with sexuality?

Absolutely nothing, it's not like they're both groups that are discriminated against or anything, totally different.

[Frisivisia]

AND WHY DONT WE HAVE WITE ENTERNTANMENT TELIVISHUN OR WITE HISTRY MUNTH?!?!?!

Apparently when I got my cable box installed they forgot to put in the "White Guy Chip" that prevents me from watching BET or Univision.

Dirty brown people television. Tyler Perry is a liberal plot.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ostro, the thing is that I don't think anyone has argued that it's ok to discriminate against one group but not the other.

Neo Art has literally made that argument just now. Or rather, that it isn't discrimination when it's done against straight people.

Carry on.

[Hurdegaryp]

This policy is stupid, but I don't think gay bars should be banned. It's only one or so bar that has that policy; the rest of them are all fine.

You do not understand. Surely burning down all the gay bars everywhere is a great step towards equality.

[Neo Art]

This is, once again, an extraordinarily myopic and fundamentally flawed view of the world that is extremely simplistic and profoundly childish.

Not every act of discrimination is bad. Some of it is downright necessary.

NA, I'm referring to this case.

You actually kinda obviously weren't. That was a pretty blanket statement you just made there.

[Frisivisia]

Neo Art has literally made that argument just now. Or rather, that it isn't discrimination when it's done against straight people.

Carry on.

Does that make Ostro your wayward son? Will there be peace when he is done?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

What the fuck does race have to do with sexuality?

Absolutely nothing, it's not like they're both groups that are discriminated against or anything, totally different.

True, true. Anything less than 100% white supremacy with the LGBT community being superior to heterosexuals is discrimination.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

NA, I'm referring to this case.

You actually kinda obviously weren't. That was a pretty blanket statement you just made there.

Read the last part of that post where I refer to the bar mentioned.