Our First Sex Thread!

[SaintB]

It seems to me in most places both the parents and the state are terrible about informing students about sex, period. Sex ed needs to come from both fronts and it needs to cover not only things like "How Babby is mad" but about Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Birth Control, and all the other aspects. When I was in 8th grade Sex Ed was a 1 week part of health class; that parents could elect to not let their children take! At least it covered everything but about 1/8th of my class didn't take it (most were the 8th that ended up with children ironically enough). I have fond memories of seeing how big we could blow condoms up to.

[Trve]

I don't support either specifically, simply those whose views most closely match my own. This is rarely the government, but in the case of parents with... er... severe 'think of the children' syndrome who don't believe any sexual discussion is appropriate for with anyone under 18 I'd side with the state. Fostering ignorance is akin to abuse and all that.

I think the state should provide non-ideological health based sex ed. The parents can push their abstinence/guilt agenda or what have you, but I think it's a fundamental right all children should have, to be educated in something so fundamental to the human experience. Leaving it entirely up to parents, in my opinion, is a stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary risk.

Really, the thread shoulda ended here

[Destructive Art]

I think sex ed should be required in every school. They would have to learn about condoms and birth control. So people know how to have safe sex.

[PartyPeoples]

Sex Ed should definitely be taught and discussed properly in schools - the 'Sex Ed' is often too little, too late as most parents it seems are unsure how to approach their children about it and nearly every school is utterly hopeless (and mostly powerless) to teach Sex Ed in class. Parents should have no choice as to what is taught in schools - sure, keep a check over things then and again (hence homework and generally communicating with your kids) but being able to opt your kid out of class because you disagree with facts is ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed at all!..

[Neesika]

Really, the thread shoulda ended here

No, now that we've discussed the SRS BIZness, we can get to the fuck talk.

*wiggles eyebrows*

[SaintB]

Really, the thread shoulda ended here

No, now that we've discussed the SRS BIZness, we can get to the fuck talk.

*wiggles eyebrows*

Right on! The woman I am currently getting to know had an orgasm from me fingering her cleavage

[Jordaxia]

Really, the thread shoulda ended here

No, now that we've discussed the SRS BIZness, we can get to the fuck talk.

*wiggles eyebrows*

Actually we've not at all discussed at what stage schools or parents should discuss SRS or the business associated with it. oh I'm sorry.

I mean it IS actually a real question, the level of ignorance that children have about transness harms them directly, as you can imagine a childhood of not knowing WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU might. But I hate talking about it because well... given my friends and given the community I'm involved in it's almost like it's all I get to talk about sometimes.

If you'd rather talk about sex too that'd be cool. *opens notepad and grabs pen*

[Saint Jade IV]

*agrees with Neesika *

The state should teach the basic biology, explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists. It should also mention the laws of the land/state whatever - like age of consent, sodomy laws and so on.

Indeed. And this should start from primary school with books that present all the different types of family for instance, and basic biology around, "where do babies come from?" type questions.

[DrunkenDove]

I think kids should work it themselves through rumour, innuendo and other kids dirty jokes, which as we all know is the proper way.

[Zvarte Honden]

I think kids should work it themselves through rumour, innuendo and other kids dirty jokes, which as we all know is the proper way.

This.


On a more serious note, transness and orientation and stuff doesn't seem the place for sex ed. Sex ed should be about functionality and biology, not gender studies. And those are generally more problems with the gender roles society tries to enforce, rather than functionality.



I mostly support the kind of sex ed I received (or would have received, if I didn't start figuring things out at a first grade level). That is they do tell kids not to do it and to be careful and such for all variety of reasons, but they also explain all of the biology, function, processes, and safety procedures that they really should know.

Which is also a seperate issue from people who for some reason seem to think that schools should just hand out condoms and birth control pills. If kids want them that badly, they can be resourcefull enough to find them themselves.

[Hill Jack]

*agrees with Neesika *

The state should teach the basic biology, explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists. It should also mention the laws of the land/state whatever - like age of consent, sodomy laws and so on.

Absurd. " explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists". OMG. Put down the crackpipe you porn monger. Basic biology and how conception is achieved is enough. What? Want them to show our kids porno?

Go away predator.

[The Alma Mater]

Absurd. " explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists". OMG. Put down the crackpipe you porn monger. Basic biology and how conception is achieved is enough.

What? Want them to show our kids porno?

Actually this was meant to let kids know gay people and such exist without attaching a moral value to it.
However, considering kids will watch porn anyway, explaining some things about it may be wise. Otherwise boys will be surprised that girls are not horny 24/7, and girls will be surprised by the fact that so many boys have a dick smaller than 25 cm :p Not to mention things like impotence, condom use and so on - stuff those movies rarely address.

So - yeah. Thanks, I had not even thought about that. I will be sure to mention your name when porn is added to the curriculum.

Go away predator.

Ah yes. Telling kids what sex is, and what is and is not deemed acceptable by society, is a sure way to make the life of a predator much easier.
Right.

[Trve]

*agrees with Neesika *

The state should teach the basic biology, explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists. It should also mention the laws of the land/state whatever - like age of consent, sodomy laws and so on.

Absurd. " explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists". OMG. Put down the crackpipe you porn monger. Basic biology and how conception is achieved is enough. What? Want them to show our kids porno?

Go away predator.

I should thank you. This post allowed me to try out the new forum's moderation forum.

[Erastide]

Absurd. " explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists". OMG. Put down the crackpipe you porn monger. Basic biology and how conception is achieved is enough. What? Want them to show our kids porno?

Go away predator.

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[Jello Biafra]

I went to an all-boys school with a slightly unorthodox view on teaching sex ed.

In-class demonstration?

[Muravyets]

I don't support either specifically, simply those whose views most closely match my own. This is rarely the government, but in the case of parents with... er... severe 'think of the children' syndrome who don't believe any sexual discussion is appropriate for with anyone under 18 I'd side with the state. Fostering ignorance is akin to abuse and all that.

I think the state should provide non-ideological health based sex ed. The parents can push their abstinence/guilt agenda or what have you, but I think it's a fundamental right all children should have, to be educated in something so fundamental to the human experience. Leaving it entirely up to parents, in my opinion, is a stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary risk.

Really, the thread shoulda ended here

I agree. What more is there to say, really?

[Milks Empire]

*agrees with Neesika *

The state should teach the basic biology, explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists. It should also mention the laws of the land/state whatever - like age of consent, sodomy laws and so on.

Absurd. " explain that people have sex in many, many different ways and that many, many different preferences exists". OMG. Put down the crackpipe you porn monger. Basic biology and how conception is achieved is enough. What? Want them to show our kids porno?

Go away predator.

You're joking, right? Where in that passage did TAM mention porn (or any pictures, for that matter)? How does explaining that other attractions than one-male-to-one-female exist among consenting adults equate to porn?

[Neesika]

Actually we've not at all discussed at what stage schools or parents should discuss SRS or the business associated with it. oh I'm sorry.

omg I thought you altered my post, but then I went back and read what I posted and went, wtf? Why did I mention SRS? Oh right, I was going with that internet speech, weird...

I mean it IS actually a real question, the level of ignorance that children have about transness harms them directly, as you can imagine a childhood of not knowing WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU might. But I hate talking about it because well... given my friends and given the community I'm involved in it's almost like it's all I get to talk about sometimes.

If you'd rather talk about sex too that'd be cool. *opens notepad and grabs pen*

How hard would it be to go, 'you know, sometimes fitting into gender stereotypes is hard, and perhaps not something you really need to do'? My girls asked me today what a tomboy was. I said it was a girl who didn't believe that being a girl means always wearing pink and playing with dolls. "Like us?" Yes. Indeedy.

It's sad that there isn't a male equivalent. It's sad that there need to be equivalents. In any case, my kids are well aware of such issues..."Uncle wears dresses and that's okay right mom?". Yes.

[Jordaxia]

omg I thought you altered my post, but then I went back and read what I posted and went, wtf? Why did I mention SRS? Oh right, I was going with that internet speech, weird...

I see a shot and I take it

How hard would it be to go, 'you know, sometimes fitting into gender stereotypes is hard, and perhaps not something you really need to do'? My girls asked me today what a tomboy was. I said it was a girl who didn't believe that being a girl means always wearing pink and playing with dolls. "Like us?" Yes. Indeedy.

It's sad that there isn't a male equivalent. It's sad that there need to be equivalents. In any case, my kids are well aware of such issues..."Uncle wears dresses and that's okay right mom?". Yes.

Yeah, it's not exactly a tough issue - my only thoughts as to why it needs to be something schools should start handling or at least making reference to is because there's still a lot of people with a lot of hate for us. It needs to be questioned, because if young trans people see nothing but hate for them (and through the media, youthful indoctrination, peer pressure and transferred homophobia and sexism (particularly for mtfs), we do see little else) then it's just not cool. a neutral voice acknowledging that we at least exist, that there's nothing wrong with us, and that if you feel that way you -can get help and support- is necessary. To be honest, ciswomen should be taking a close look at the trouble transwomen get a lot more seriously because a lot of it isn't about being trans. it's just about being -female-.

But I'm sorry, this is me soapboxing about something with a thread that's only partially relevant. I'd like to bring it back on topic but uh.. I don't know what to say. I think we've settled the first topic, maybe it's time for a new one?

[Demen]

I think sex ed should be required in every school. They would have to learn about condoms and birth control. So people know how to have safe sex.

I thought every body preferd hard, crazy, unprotected sex.

[Hydesland]

Wtf? When was Neesika deleted?

[Taeshan]

I think sex ed should be required in every school. They would have to learn about condoms and birth control. So people know how to have safe sex.

I thought every body preferd hard, crazy, unprotected sex.

I did to.

[Demen]

I think sex ed should be required in every school. They would have to learn about condoms and birth control. So people know how to have safe sex.

I thought every body preferd hard, crazy, unprotected sex.

I did to.

You sir, are awesome.

[Taeshan]

If they taught us this stuff in school i would just get up and curse out the teacher who had to tell it to us or find the preson who made them do it. I mean come un if i want to F***ing have sex without safety i should be able to F***ing do it. Why the hell should it matter to them. If it was a teacher i knew an liked and i knew they were roped into it i would just walk out of that room, F*** the consquences, its my body let me do with it what i want.

[Demen]

We are all going to get banned aren't we?