by Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 9:06 am
by Jordaxia » Mon May 04, 2009 9:09 am
by Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 9:12 am
Jordaxia wrote:I don't support either specifically, simply those whose views most closely match my own. This is rarely the government, but in the case of parents with... er... severe 'think of the children' syndrome who don't believe any sexual discussion is appropriate for with anyone under 18 I'd side with the state. Fostering ignorance is akin to abuse and all that.
by Saige Dragon » Mon May 04, 2009 9:17 am
Neesika wrote:I think the state should provide non-ideological health based sex ed. The parents can push their abstinence/guilt agenda or what have you, but I think it's a fundamental right all children should have, to be educated in something so fundamental to the human experience. Leaving it entirely up to parents, in my opinion, is a stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary risk.
by The Alma Mater » Mon May 04, 2009 9:21 am
by Daistallia 2104 » Mon May 04, 2009 9:25 am
by Aeterna Valley » Mon May 04, 2009 9:28 am
by Soyut » Mon May 04, 2009 9:30 am
Neesika wrote:Jordaxia wrote:I don't support either specifically, simply those whose views most closely match my own. This is rarely the government, but in the case of parents with... er... severe 'think of the children' syndrome who don't believe any sexual discussion is appropriate for with anyone under 18 I'd side with the state. Fostering ignorance is akin to abuse and all that.
I think the state should provide non-ideological health based sex ed. The parents can push their abstinence/guilt agenda or what have you, but I think it's a fundamental right all children should have, to be educated in something so fundamental to the human experience. Leaving it entirely up to parents, in my opinion, is a stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary risk.
by Atlantamuria » Mon May 04, 2009 9:39 am
by Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 9:41 am
by Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 9:43 am
Atlantamuria wrote:I think the parents should do it. A lot of schools these days teach abstinence only or aren't allowed to teach anything about birth control (like my high school). I didn't get my first proper (and I use this term loosely) sex ed class until senior year and that's just sad. A lot of the people in my class already had kids by then. There isn't much a sex ed class can do once the kids have already had sex. Parents are either too lazy, or think it's too hard to teach kids sex ed. Well guess what, if they don't who will? The highly censored school that teaches too little too late? When you have kids you accept the responsibility of raising them at least I damn well hope so. Part of raising them to grow up and be successful functioning adults is teaching them sex ed no matter how embarrassed you may be about it. No one said raising kids was easy, you have to do things that you may not want to do that are difficult. I don't think sex ed should be taken out of schools though. No matter what you do you still get your parents that don't properly raise their kids. The school should still offer sex ed classes but much earlier and much more directly. My own sex ed class felt like it was aimed at 12 year olds. It was all fluffy bunnies, coloring pages, word finds, and The Miracle of Life.
by Atlantamuria » Mon May 04, 2009 9:45 am
Neesika wrote:I also believe that students should have no-questions-asked access to contraceptives, even through the schools. Birth control pills, condoms, what have you. Free of charge.
The idea that 'fear of STIs/pregnancy' will stop kids...who have no fucking fear or concept of mortality...from having sex, is exceedingly foolish.
by Ring of Isengard » Mon May 04, 2009 9:46 am
by Mor Rioghan » Mon May 04, 2009 9:48 am
by Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 9:48 am
Ring of Isengard wrote:I knew you'd be the first.
by Ring of Isengard » Mon May 04, 2009 9:50 am
Neesika wrote:Ring of Isengard wrote:I knew you'd be the first.
It was imperative. I have a reputation to uphold and all that.
by Neesika » Mon May 04, 2009 9:50 am
Mor Rioghan wrote:There really, really need to be better standards for sex ed classes in high schools. As in, set standards. None of this abstinence only stuff, I'm so tired of sex ed classes telling kids that they'll die if they have sex before marriage. My school had way, way too many pregnant teens as I was leaving, one of which I knew personally. She literally said 'We didn't use a condom because we were afraid it would break.'
Not everyone's a genius.
The school I went to taught girls about menstrual cycles when they were, like 15, and sex at 17-18. It was really a mess, but you can't trust parents to do it, who are too clueless/frightened/lazy/fundamentalist to talk to their kids. Many parents don't do it because they assume the school will! Someone needs to mandate a set program for all sex ed classes to avoid the ignorance that leads to unwanted pregnancy and STIs. Really, what we're doing right now isn't working. It's a mess.
by Saige Dragon » Mon May 04, 2009 9:51 am
Atlantamuria wrote:I think the parents should do it. A lot of schools these days teach abstinence only or aren't allowed to teach anything about birth control (like my high school). I didn't get my first proper (and I use this term loosely) sex ed class until senior year and that's just sad. A lot of the people in my class already had kids by then. There isn't much a sex ed class can do once the kids have already had sex. Parents are either too lazy, or think it's too hard to teach kids sex ed. Well guess what, if they don't who will? The highly censored school that teaches too little too late? When you have kids you accept the responsibility of raising them at least I damn well hope so. Part of raising them to grow up and be successful functioning adults is teaching them sex ed no matter how embarrassed you may be about it. No one said raising kids was easy, you have to do things that you may not want to do that are difficult. I don't think sex ed should be taken out of schools though. No matter what you do you still get your parents that don't properly raise their kids. The school should still offer sex ed classes but much earlier and much more directly. My own sex ed class felt like it was aimed at 12 year olds. It was all fluffy bunnies, coloring pages, word finds, and The Miracle of Life.
by Yootopia » Mon May 04, 2009 9:57 am
Neesika wrote:My first question is about education. Parents vs. the State...which do you support when it comes to sex education?
by Atlantamuria » Mon May 04, 2009 9:59 am
Saige Dragon wrote:Atlantamuria wrote:I think the parents should do it. A lot of schools these days teach abstinence only or aren't allowed to teach anything about birth control (like my high school). I didn't get my first proper (and I use this term loosely) sex ed class until senior year and that's just sad. A lot of the people in my class already had kids by then. There isn't much a sex ed class can do once the kids have already had sex. Parents are either too lazy, or think it's too hard to teach kids sex ed. Well guess what, if they don't who will? The highly censored school that teaches too little too late? When you have kids you accept the responsibility of raising them at least I damn well hope so. Part of raising them to grow up and be successful functioning adults is teaching them sex ed no matter how embarrassed you may be about it. No one said raising kids was easy, you have to do things that you may not want to do that are difficult. I don't think sex ed should be taken out of schools though. No matter what you do you still get your parents that don't properly raise their kids. The school should still offer sex ed classes but much earlier and much more directly. My own sex ed class felt like it was aimed at 12 year olds. It was all fluffy bunnies, coloring pages, word finds, and The Miracle of Life.
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Part of the reason why sex-ed is so poorly taught in public schools is the amount of influence morons have over the system. It can be seen in many other subjects as well. Part of the reason for public schooling is to have widespread, consistent education and by allowing parents to pull kids from certain classes, or censor subjects we've defeated the whole point.
by Dempublicents1 » Mon May 04, 2009 10:06 am
Neesika wrote:Jordaxia wrote:I don't support either specifically, simply those whose views most closely match my own. This is rarely the government, but in the case of parents with... er... severe 'think of the children' syndrome who don't believe any sexual discussion is appropriate for with anyone under 18 I'd side with the state. Fostering ignorance is akin to abuse and all that.
I think the state should provide non-ideological health based sex ed. The parents can push their abstinence/guilt agenda or what have you, but I think it's a fundamental right all children should have, to be educated in something so fundamental to the human experience. Leaving it entirely up to parents, in my opinion, is a stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary risk.
by Mor Rioghan » Mon May 04, 2009 10:08 am
Atlantamuria wrote:Saige Dragon wrote:Atlantamuria wrote:I think the parents should do it. A lot of schools these days teach abstinence only or aren't allowed to teach anything about birth control (like my high school). I didn't get my first proper (and I use this term loosely) sex ed class until senior year and that's just sad. A lot of the people in my class already had kids by then. There isn't much a sex ed class can do once the kids have already had sex. Parents are either too lazy, or think it's too hard to teach kids sex ed. Well guess what, if they don't who will? The highly censored school that teaches too little too late? When you have kids you accept the responsibility of raising them at least I damn well hope so. Part of raising them to grow up and be successful functioning adults is teaching them sex ed no matter how embarrassed you may be about it. No one said raising kids was easy, you have to do things that you may not want to do that are difficult. I don't think sex ed should be taken out of schools though. No matter what you do you still get your parents that don't properly raise their kids. The school should still offer sex ed classes but much earlier and much more directly. My own sex ed class felt like it was aimed at 12 year olds. It was all fluffy bunnies, coloring pages, word finds, and The Miracle of Life.
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. Part of the reason why sex-ed is so poorly taught in public schools is the amount of influence morons have over the system. It can be seen in many other subjects as well. Part of the reason for public schooling is to have widespread, consistent education and by allowing parents to pull kids from certain classes, or censor subjects we've defeated the whole point.
I was really more saying that the parents have the main responsibility but this isn't a perfect world because people are idiots so the slack should be caught by the schools.
by Atlantamuria » Mon May 04, 2009 10:10 am
by Atlantamuria » Mon May 04, 2009 10:14 am
Mor Rioghan wrote:'Honey, I wasn't dumb. I knew all about contraceptives. That's why you're 12 and not 22.'
by East Canuck » Mon May 04, 2009 10:18 am
Neesika wrote:My first question is about education. Parents vs. the State...which do you support when it comes to sex education?
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