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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:31 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Nidaria wrote:You may feel it is unconstitutional, but others would differ. Also, what play is that?

**** others, that's what the Supreme Court, the ultimate arbiters of the Constitution say.

And what makes the Supreme Court infallible and "ultimate"? They can simply say that the Constitution is what they want it to be.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:31 pm

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Frisivisia wrote:The First Amendment separates church and state. That's not what I feel it says, that's what the Supreme Court does.

Oh, you mean the Schemp-Murray cases? That was an example of judicial activism. Also, the First Amendment simply prevents the government from establishing a state religion.

According to you. Not according to the Supreme Court.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:32 pm

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Regnum Dominae wrote:I'm hoping to see it in San Francisco when it comes back.

I believe they're starting up again in October, yea?

http://www.bookofmormonbroadway.com/tour_page.php

Yeah, it starts in Chicago in October and comes to SF pretty soon after.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:32 pm

Emmadog wrote:
Divair wrote:If you can ever get tickets, I'd recommend watching it, preferably in the UK. I find the UK actors better.


Avoiding actually replying to any of my points? Fine, I'll take that as a concession.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/summary
I would like to refer you to the definition of summary.

That wasn't a summary in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:32 pm

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Nidaria wrote:You may feel it is unconstitutional, but others would differ. Also, what play is that?

The Book of Mormon.

I never knew that Mormonism was so popular.
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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:33 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Oh, you mean the Schemp-Murray cases? That was an example of judicial activism. Also, the First Amendment simply prevents the government from establishing a state religion.

According to you. Not according to the Supreme Court.

The opinion of the Supreme Court is subject to change, depending on who is in it.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:33 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Divair wrote:I believe they're starting up again in October, yea?

http://www.bookofmormonbroadway.com/tour_page.php

Yeah, it starts in Chicago in October and comes to SF pretty soon after.

Good stuff. You're going to have to book way in advance, though. It's absurdly popular. And by that I mean there won't be a single seat missing. And the prices for drinks will be high. Very high.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:33 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:The Book of Mormon.

I never knew that Mormonism was so popular.

It isn't. Its a satirical comedic musical.

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Postby Warda » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:33 pm

Divair wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:http://www.bookofmormonbroadway.com/tour_page.php

Yeah, it starts in Chicago in October and comes to SF pretty soon after.

Good stuff. You're going to have to book way in advance, though. It's absurdly popular. And by that I mean there won't be a single seat missing. And the prices for drinks will be high. Very high.

You pay for drinks? :lol2:
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:34 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:According to you. Not according to the Supreme Court.

The opinion of the Supreme Court is subject to change, depending on who is in it.

Correct. Right now, and historically, their opinion is that the government can neither establish a religion, ban a religion, or show preferential treatment to a religion.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:34 pm

Warda wrote:
Divair wrote:Good stuff. You're going to have to book way in advance, though. It's absurdly popular. And by that I mean there won't be a single seat missing. And the prices for drinks will be high. Very high.

You pay for drinks? :lol2:

Yes. They know how popular it is, so the ticket prices are absurdly expensive and you have to pay for drinks/snacks once inside.

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Postby Menassa » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:35 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:The Book of Mormon.

I never knew that Mormonism was so popular.

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Postby Emmadog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:35 pm

Divair wrote:
Emmadog wrote:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/summary
I would like to refer you to the definition of summary.

That wasn't a summary in any way, shape, or form.


You say most of those things were unconstitutional so I created a summary. That is all, not me being wrong just avoiding spending an hour repeating myself.
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Postby Warda » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Divair wrote:
Warda wrote:You pay for drinks? :lol2:

Yes. They know how popular it is, so the ticket prices are absurdly expensive and you have to pay for drinks/snacks once inside.

If you don't know how to bring snacks in, I am very disappointed my good sir. :ugeek:
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Nidaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:According to you. Not according to the Supreme Court.

The opinion of the Supreme Court is subject to change, depending on who is in it.


Immaterial, the Supreme Court is the final interpreter of the US Constitution.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Emmadog wrote:
Divair wrote:That wasn't a summary in any way, shape, or form.


You say most of those things were unconstitutional so I created a summary. That is all, not me being wrong just avoiding spending an hour repeating myself.

I don't think you understand what unconstitutional means. And you completely avoided the rest of my points.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Menassa wrote:
Nidaria wrote:I never knew that Mormonism was so popular.

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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Warda wrote:
Divair wrote:Yes. They know how popular it is, so the ticket prices are absurdly expensive and you have to pay for drinks/snacks once inside.

If you don't know how to bring snacks in, I am very disappointed my good sir. :ugeek:

I'm too lazy to break the law. I've got plenty of money, I don't mind paying extra.

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Postby Emmadog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:42 pm

Divair wrote:
Emmadog wrote:
You say most of those things were unconstitutional so I created a summary. That is all, not me being wrong just avoiding spending an hour repeating myself.

I don't think you understand what unconstitutional means. And you completely avoided the rest of my points.


In regards to your other points:
It is still at the core of our country.
Thanks for helping my point.
Most do.
I'm really not sure about that.
And the 1st amendment protects us from the government establishing a religion, like the Church of England, not protecting from the ideas of the religion and government intermixing.
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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:42 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Nidaria wrote:The opinion of the Supreme Court is subject to change, depending on who is in it.

Correct. Right now, and historically, their opinion is that the government can neither establish a religion, ban a religion, or show preferential treatment to a religion.

That has nothing to do with those previous points.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:43 pm

Emmadog wrote:
Divair wrote:I don't think you understand what unconstitutional means. And you completely avoided the rest of my points.


In regards to your other points:
It is still at the core of our country.
Thanks for helping my point.
Most do.
I'm really not sure about that.
And the 1st amendment protects us from the government establishing a religion, like the Church of England, not protecting from the ideas of the religion and government intermixing.

I have absolutely no clue which one is referring to which. l2quote then we'll talk.

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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:43 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Nidaria wrote:I never knew that Mormonism was so popular.

It isn't. Its a satirical comedic musical.

About Mormonism?
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Postby Emmadog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:44 pm

Divair wrote:
Emmadog wrote:
In regards to your other points:
It is still at the core of our country.
Thanks for helping my point.
Most do.
I'm really not sure about that.
And the 1st amendment protects us from the government establishing a religion, like the Church of England, not protecting from the ideas of the religion and government intermixing.

I have absolutely no clue which one is referring to which. l2quote then we'll talk.


I didn't want to quote it and figure it out if you want to criticize.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:44 pm

Emmadog wrote:I didn't want to quote it and figure it out if you want to criticize.

I'm not going to sit here guessing which one refers to which. Quote properly and then we'll talk.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:45 pm

Emmadog wrote:
Divair wrote:I don't think you understand what unconstitutional means. And you completely avoided the rest of my points.


not protecting from the ideas of the religion and government intermixing.

Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion and the freedom to not hold religious beliefs.
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