NYT: Jeep Cherokee, culturally insenstive??

[Northern Dominus]

Using the name without permission is culturally insensitive. However, this particular usage is not derogatory, so it isn't offensive.

But it is not like it is a trademarked name.

Again, it is a name, but it's one associated with a culture that has been systematically exploited time and again when not being exterminated, so the least Jeep could do is get their damn approval.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

IMO, no culture like consumerist culture. If the Cherokee realized this they'd join in the action more often.

But no. Not offensive.

They already have.
They're a huge defence contractor and are big on casino chains.

[Chernoslavia]

Our US military designate an attack chopper the Apache, which means they're advocating for the mass murder of Native Apache tribespeople with military helicopters! WoooooooooooOOOOoooooooOooooooooOo!

[New Maldorainia]

But it is not like it is a trademarked name.

Again, it is a name, but it's one associated with a culture that has been systematically exploited time and again when not being exterminated, so the least Jeep could do is get their damn approval.

I notice though that the tribe itself is not all that upset about it though. Plus as I noted before, the Times never said anything about the name of the Grand Cherokee despite the fact that it has been around longer since the Cherokee name was dropped from 2001-2014.

[Agoraia]

IMO, no culture like consumerist culture. If the Cherokee realized this they'd join in the action more often.

But no. Not offensive.

They already have.
They're a huge defence contractor and are big on casino chains.

I only thought a few opportunists were on board with that. The whole tribe supports it? Really.

If I were a tribal leader (and I thankfully aren't) I'd be honored to have my tribe share the same name as a really good car. Better buy out all the Jeeps and Hummers before the revolution comes.

[Northern Dominus]

Again, it is a name, but it's one associated with a culture that has been systematically exploited time and again when not being exterminated, so the least Jeep could do is get their damn approval.

I notice though that the tribe itself is not all that upset about it though. Plus as I noted before, the Times never said anything about the name of the Grand Cherokee despite the fact that it has been around longer since the Cherokee name was dropped from 2001-2014.

Which is why I'm wondering if the Times just needed to fill space. They lambasted the Cherokee on their own, yet the VW Touareg gets a pass even though the name is the exact same thing, only in this case it's a berber tribe that's being trademarked.

[New Maldorainia]

I notice though that the tribe itself is not all that upset about it though. Plus as I noted before, the Times never said anything about the name of the Grand Cherokee despite the fact that it has been around longer since the Cherokee name was dropped from 2001-2014.

Which is why I'm wondering if the Times just needed to fill space. They lambasted the Cherokee on their own, yet the VW Touareg gets a pass even though the name is the exact same thing, only in this case it's a berber tribe that's being trademarked.

That is true, I am impressed you knew about that though.

[Northern Dominus]

Which is why I'm wondering if the Times just needed to fill space. They lambasted the Cherokee on their own, yet the VW Touareg gets a pass even though the name is the exact same thing, only in this case it's a berber tribe that's being trademarked.

That is true, I am impressed you knew about that though.

Looked up the name after it was first released, learned a lot after that one.

[Benomia]

Regardless of whether or not this is "culturally insensitive" (which, I suppose not thinking about what other people think kind of is), there's still no reason why we should actually give a shit how the Cherokee feel about their name being used by someone else. If they really care, they can copyright it.

Check your privilege.

If satire,

If serious,

[New Maldorainia]

It is a good point though, I never really hear anyone complain about VW's SUV being named after a Berber people in North Africa.

[Geilinor]

Again, it is a name, but it's one associated with a culture that has been systematically exploited time and again when not being exterminated, so the least Jeep could do is get their damn approval.

I notice though that the tribe itself is not all that upset about it though. Plus as I noted before, the Times never said anything about the name of the Grand Cherokee despite the fact that it has been around longer since the Cherokee name was dropped from 2001-2014.

It's okay if we use "grand" in front, didn't you get the memo?

[New Maldorainia]

I notice though that the tribe itself is not all that upset about it though. Plus as I noted before, the Times never said anything about the name of the Grand Cherokee despite the fact that it has been around longer since the Cherokee name was dropped from 2001-2014.

It's okay if we use "grand" in front, didn't you get the memo?

Guess since the word Grand is in there, is really makes it sound awesome instead of just regular Cherokee.

[Geilinor]

Apparently the New York Times.

Yeah, but wasn't there a cherokee from like, a few years ago and no one raised up a fuss?

The Grand Cherokee has been around since 1993 and they aren't complaining about that.

[Geilinor]

It is a good point though, I never really hear anyone complain about VW's SUV being named after a Berber people in North Africa.

Oh yeah, the Touareg. They'll also complain about the Grand Cherokee, which there's been no criticism of.

[New Maldorainia]

Yeah, but wasn't there a cherokee from like, a few years ago and no one raised up a fuss?

The Grand Cherokee has been around since 1993 and they aren't complaining about that.

That is true, they did complain about the fuel economy because Chrysler came out with the newest one after receiving a bailout.

[Karintopia]

I have a friend who is Native American and she doesn't care one bit about trivial stuff like this.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yeah, but wasn't there a cherokee from like, a few years ago and no one raised up a fuss?

The Grand Cherokee has been around since 1993 and they aren't complaining about that.

As I understand it, the Cherokee Cherokee aren't complaining about the name. It's more that they would've liked to be consulted first on its usage by Chrysler.

[Phocidaea]

I have a friend who is Native American and she doesn't care one bit about trivial stuff like this.

Queue AA saying she wasn't "raised in teh culthurr".

[Vitaphone Racing]

Regardless of whether or not this is "culturally insensitive" (which, I suppose not thinking about what other people think kind of is), there's still no reason why we should actually give a shit how the Cherokee feel about their name being used by someone else. If they really care, they can copyright it.

Check your privilege.

"anyone who disagrees with me must be a privileged white, hetero male from a middle class family"

Holy shit bro, you're not a bigot at all....

[Herador]

I've never met someone of Cherokee heritage who was insulted by it, nor am I aware of any groups within the Cherokee people who are against it; so I guess it really isn't.
E: Stupid opinion time: If I was someone of Cherokee decent, I'd probably find it rather flattering, but I'm not, so my opinion is worth bupkis.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

It is a good point though, I never really hear anyone complain about VW's SUV being named after a Berber people in North Africa.

I never realized it was. The same thing applies, it was culturally insensitive for VW to do it as well.

[New Maldorainia]

It is a good point though, I never really hear anyone complain about VW's SUV being named after a Berber people in North Africa.

I never realized it was. The same thing applies, it was culturally insensitive for VW to do it as well.

No one there complained or cared.

[The BranRiech]

If this is cunturally insensitave, take up an issue with the Army helicopters as well, they use names of Native American tribes as well, but we don't see them taking fire like this.

[The Planet of Orran]

People need to grow some fucking balls.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Check your privilege.

"anyone who disagrees with me must be a privileged white, hetero male from a middle class family"

Holy shit bro, you're not a bigot at all....

Mighty defensive aren't you?
It's quite easy to declare from your position of privilege that "we" shouldn't care what they think of the use of their name. So, oui, one of us is demonstrably bigoted, however, it isn't me.