SCOTUS SSM rulings: DOMA overturned, Prop 8 gone

[Greed and Death]

I would rather have had the state of California defend the law. I have and continue to have reservations when elected officials decline to defend the law and this is one of the reasons.

Does this ruling mean that if a state doesn't defend a law, then no one can?


Because if so, it seems like it might have some unintended consequences.

It means you as a voter do not have standing to defend a law.
If a law protected you and it was being challenged then you would have injury and that could be standing. However status as a voter alone, or a tax payer alone is almost never sufficient grounds to defend/challenge a law. ( some exceptions exist )

[Helvereos]

Considering how the Constitution of the United States of America is ignored now, would it really mattered.

How is this ignoring the Constitution of the United States in any way, shape or form?

Because it's unnatural. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

[Agritum]

I'm not feeling ashamed right now. Does that make me a bad person?

Supporting a regime that systematically eliminated dissidents, intellectuals, Eastern Europeans, Jews, homosexuals, and so on should be frowned upon.

...and Freemasons.

Why everyone forgets them

[Greed and Death]

Why are we arguing with the "made the account this week" summertime troll? This is an interesting topic with far reaching legal, social, and political consequences.

Can we, for once, act like fucking adults?

You must not have been here very long.

[Helvereos]

Why are we arguing with the "made the account this week" summertime troll? This is an interesting topic with far reaching legal, social, and political consequences.

Can we, for once, act like fucking adults?

Who said I'm a troll? I'm just expressing my beliefs.

[The Black Forrest]

They did defend the law. At the district court. They lost. Proposition 8 was ruled illegal. You can not compel an official to defend a law that has been deemed illegal.

I did not say compel, I said I had reservations against. I would rather elected officials defend the law ( on appeal) even if they disagree with it through use of their own discretion.

What would that gain? They probably would have half heartily defended it........

[New Chalcedon]

Why are we arguing with the "made the account this week" summertime troll? This is an interesting topic with far reaching legal, social, and political consequences.

Can we, for once, act like fucking adults?

.....this is NSG. You had to ask that question?

[Helvereos]

I'm not feeling ashamed right now. Does that make me a bad person?

Supporting a regime that systematically eliminated dissidents, intellectuals, Eastern Europeans, Jews, homosexuals, and so on should be frowned upon.

*puts on shades*

*In Duke Nukem's voice* Let God sort 'em out!

[Zokorias personal views]

That would actually be an improvement right now.

Speaking as someone the Nazis would have killed, that's a terrible thing to say and you should feel ashamed.

That guy named "Zocra" said that gay marriage "should be illegal"...

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

How is this ignoring the Constitution of the United States in any way, shape or form?

Because it's unnatural. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

What's unnatural? Homosexuality? The Supreme Court? What?

[AiliailiA]

Can we, for once, act like fucking adults?

On a PG-13 forum? I should think not!

[Divair]

Why are we arguing with the "made the account this week" summertime troll? This is an interesting topic with far reaching legal, social, and political consequences.

Can we, for once, act like fucking adults?

You're asking this on NSG.

[Helvereos]

Because it's unnatural. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

What's unnatural? Homosexuality? The Supreme Court? What?

Everything. The US is like a dysfunctional family at this point.

[Agritum]

What's unnatural? Homosexuality? The Supreme Court? What?

Everything. The US is like a dysfunctional family at this point.

Get off this unnatural internet, now.

[Edlichbury]

Because it's unnatural. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

What's unnatural? Homosexuality? The Supreme Court? What?

Using logic and empathy is unnatural, judging by his posts.

[Greed and Death]

I did not say compel, I said I had reservations against. I would rather elected officials defend the law ( on appeal) even if they disagree with it through use of their own discretion.

What would that gain? They probably would have half heartily defended it........

I imagine in such cases, as elected officials want to show their conscious to the voters, they could appoint special counsel to defend it.

And what would it have gained LGBT people would have gotten a case heard on the merits about the right to marry.

[Helvereos]

What's unnatural? Homosexuality? The Supreme Court? What?

Using logic and empathy is unnatural, judging by his posts.

You are correct. Remember the teachings of the Sith: hatred is the fuel for power.

[Helvereos]

Everything. The US is like a dysfunctional family at this point.

Get off this unnatural internet, now.

I can't. That's the problem.

[Mirkana]

Speaking as someone the Nazis would have killed, that's a terrible thing to say and you should feel ashamed.

I'm not feeling ashamed right now. Does that make me a bad person?

Yes. Yes it does. Supporting tyranny and genocide makes you evil.

[Agritum]

Get off this unnatural internet, now.

I can't. That's the problem.

But it's unnatural. You stated that you dislike homosexuality due to it being unnatural (even while it actually is natural)

[Uieurnthlaal]

How is this ignoring the Constitution of the United States in any way, shape or form?

Because it's unnatural. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

So is love-based marriage. But you don't see people decrying that, do you?

[DogDoo 7]

Yeah, but the district court only has jurisdiction over the northern half of California. Nowhere else needs to listen to him.

That's not necessarily true when it comes to matter of state law. The court struck down a state law, the district court has the power to do that, and it affects the entire state.

When it comes ot FEDERAL law, the federal district court is binding only in the district, but when it comes to state law, the district court is binding on the state.

Right then. That makes sense.

Another question though:

Since the Proponents of Prop 8 didn't have standing to appeal, then shouldn't that vacate the District Court ruling as well, since the Judge shouldn't have allowed them to intercede when Schwarzenegger and Brown declined to mount a defense? Or is this standing solely limited to the ability to APPEAL a ruling, and not to argue a case at the district level?

[Nailed to the Perch]

Your post-decision dose of combined FUCK YEAH and D'AWWWWWWWWWW:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/51329 ... reme-court

[Helvereos]

I'm not feeling ashamed right now. Does that make me a bad person?

Yes. Yes it does. Supporting tyranny and genocide makes you evil.

Hey, when it's time to take the trash out, it's time to take the trash out. With regards to evolution, this is quite natural.

[Helvereos]

Because it's unnatural. I'm sorry, but I have to say it.

So is love-based marriage. But you don't see people decrying that, do you?

Nope.