SCOTUS SSM rulings: DOMA overturned, Prop 8 gone

[Edlichbury]

Agreed.

The Bible clearly says they're evil.

In all those zero times the Bible actually talked about homosexuality.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I agree entirely. It's amazing how alike we are.

Actually, I got that line from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLnCJJB_Jg

Hope you enjoy it.

"Rucka Rucka Ali Super AIDS"

Clearly a work that manages to be both intellectual and hilarious, much like the other clearly wonderful song of his endorsing rape that cropped up on the sidebar.

[Zokorias personal views]

"Your thoughts?"

Gay Marriage should be illegal.

Agreed.

Seriously, dude...

You'd like to turn America into Nazi Germany, don't you?

[Neo Art]

What standing could there have been?

I would rather have had the state of California defend the law. I have and continue to have reservations when elected officials decline to defend the law and this is one of the reasons.

They did defend the law. At the district court. They lost. Proposition 8 was ruled illegal. You can not compel an official to defend a law that has been deemed illegal.

[Aldheim]

What standing could there have been?

I would rather have had the state of California defend the law. I have and continue to have reservations when elected officials decline to defend the law and this is one of the reasons.

Does this ruling mean that if a state doesn't defend a law, then no one can?


Because if so, it seems like it might have some unintended consequences.

[The Black Forrest]

"Your thoughts?"

Gay Marriage should be illegal.

Agreed.

It's ok. You don't have to continue the pretense of being hetro here. We don't care about that; but, we do care about a decent argument.

[Greed and Death]

I thought because the state was a party it was bound by the injunction against enforcing the law.

I'm not sure how that's different from what I said...

Sorry Pre Coffee during bar review. Just came across more like you spoke only to a declaratory judgement.

[Olivaero]

Agreed.

The Bible clearly says they're evil.

Well I'm sorry. I missed the moment when the bible became the constitution of the United states of America.

[Helvereos]

Actually, I got that line from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLnCJJB_Jg

Hope you enjoy it.

"Rucka Rucka Ali Super AIDS"

Clearly a work that manages to be both intellectual and hilarious, much like the other clearly wonderful song of his endorsing rape that cropped up on the sidebar.

Ya gotta admit, even a troll like him gets it right time to time.

[The Black Forrest]

Agreed.

Seriously, dude...

You'd like to turn America into Nazi Germany, don't you?

Look up Godwin's Law.

[Helvereos]

Agreed.

Seriously, dude...

You'd like to turn America into Nazi Germany, don't you?

That would actually be an improvement right now.

[Agritum]

Seriously, dude...

You'd like to turn America into Nazi Germany, don't you?

That would actually be an improvement right now.

So you're one of those guys who'd stick the Constitution in the toilet? Perfect.

[Edlichbury]

Seriously, dude...

You'd like to turn America into Nazi Germany, don't you?

That would actually be an improvement right now.

Speaking as someone the Nazis would have killed, that's a terrible thing to say and you should feel ashamed.

[Greed and Death]

I would rather have had the state of California defend the law. I have and continue to have reservations when elected officials decline to defend the law and this is one of the reasons.

They did defend the law. At the district court. They lost. Proposition 8 was ruled illegal. You can not compel an official to defend a law that has been deemed illegal.

I did not say compel, I said I had reservations against. I would rather elected officials defend the law ( on appeal) even if they disagree with it through use of their own discretion.

[Helvereos]

That would actually be an improvement right now.

So you're one of those guys who'd stick the Constitution in the toilet? Perfect.

Considering how the Constitution of the United States of America is ignored now, would it really mattered.

[Vettrera]

The Bible clearly says they're evil.

Well I'm sorry. I missed the moment when the bible became the constitution of the United states of America.

Gluttony is a sin

Mississippi is the most religious state with +50% of the population identifying as "very religious"
Mississippi is also the fattest state.

[Edlichbury]

So you're one of those guys who'd stick the Constitution in the toilet? Perfect.

Considering how the Constitution of the United States of America is ignored now, would it really mattered.

Yes, making a ruling entirely about the constitution is ignoring the constitution.

[Neo Art]

I would rather have had the state of California defend the law. I have and continue to have reservations when elected officials decline to defend the law and this is one of the reasons.

Does this ruling mean that if a state doesn't defend a law, then no one can?


Because if so, it seems like it might have some unintended consequences.

Yeah, maybe. It's...christ standing is complicated. It really depends on what the law IS. In order to have standing you have to have, to use the phrase, "skin in the game". The standing issue basically ruled that allowing gay people to marry does not result in a demonstrable harm to any one. Non benefits are taken away, no damage imposed.

Standing is, as it always is, in order to challenge something, you have to have a stake in the outcome. In order to challenge gay marriage rights, as a private entity, that private entity has to be able to show how letting gay people marry actually harms them. It has to answer the question "what does it actually do to you?"

And, it seems, that SCOTUS has deemed the answer to be "nothing".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So you're one of those guys who'd stick the Constitution in the toilet? Perfect.

Considering how the Constitution of the United States of America is ignored now, would it really mattered.

How is this ignoring the Constitution of the United States in any way, shape or form?

There are just a few teeny tiny differences between the USA and Nazi Germany. Just a few.

Minor differences like the USA having democratic elections, for example, and the lack of extermination camps in the United States.

Little things like that.

[Helvereos]

That would actually be an improvement right now.

Speaking as someone the Nazis would have killed, that's a terrible thing to say and you should feel ashamed.

I'm not feeling ashamed right now. Does that make me a bad person?

[Neo Art]

Why are we arguing with the "made the account this week" summertime troll? This is an interesting topic with far reaching legal, social, and political consequences.

Can we, for once, act like fucking adults?

[Agritum]

So you're one of those guys who'd stick the Constitution in the toilet? Perfect.

Considering how the Constitution of the United States of America is ignored now, would it really mattered.

By chance, I'm thinking that if this was a ruling about banning guns, you would have defended the constitution to the last breath.

[Helvereos]

Considering how the Constitution of the United States of America is ignored now, would it really mattered.

Yes, making a ruling entirely about the constitution is ignoring the constitution.

Outstanding.

[AiliailiA]

Christian Democrats has been posting about the language of one of the decisions suggesting that SCOTUS would leave same sex marriage(and the definition of marriage generally) up to the states if such a question were to come before them. Which is hardly the delicious tears I was promised.

He's taking it so well.

From a month ago:

LGBT individuals should be treated the same as everybody else. They should be subject to the same laws as other people; and society is under no obligation to make special accommodations for their personal preferences, sexual or otherwise, whether natural from birth or acquired during the course of life.

(bolding mine)

Bear in mind that CD also thinks there should be no civil marriage at all (leave it to churches, no different treatment by government depending on religious-marriage status). He's able to accept the reality that government isn't getting out of marriage any time soon, and in the meantime wants government to treat same sex couples equally.

I don't have to agree with the former, to have respect for the latter.

[Edlichbury]

Speaking as someone the Nazis would have killed, that's a terrible thing to say and you should feel ashamed.

I'm not feeling ashamed right now. Does that make me a bad person?

Supporting a regime that systematically eliminated dissidents, intellectuals, Eastern Europeans, Jews, homosexuals, and so on should be frowned upon.