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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:46 pm

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Liriena wrote:You shall not pass...unless you go to Patriot Bible University or something of the sort.

Private Christian institution, matter of fact.


You're still very unlikely to pass. I don't think many professors of criminal law or human rights would look kindly upon a student who worships Pinochet, favors vigilantism and lynchins as a pseudo-legitimate form of justice and apparently understands nothing about the origins and nature of human law.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:47 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Yes. One at a time.

I'm afraid AR will be the last state to embrace such a legislation.

We have a SCOTUS ruling on our side. They can't hold out for too long.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:47 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Now for every other state.

Yes. One at a time.


Preferably not. Preferably, all at the same time, as soon as possible.

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Now for every other state.

As I've said before, I'd rather the south secede than accept such a practice.


And, as I said before, that only gives our cause more legitimacy. Effectively, you'd play a crucial role in the nation-wide recognition of same-sex marriage. Do you really want that on your conscious?
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:47 pm

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Grenartia wrote:
Now for every other state.

As I've said before, I'd rather the south secede than accept such a practice.

The south is becoming more liberal by the day.
The GOP is dying
The South is becoming Majority-Minority
and the GOP is so bad at racial outreach that it's almost like they want to lose in 2016
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:47 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Before or after the fetus is born?

The criminal in question already had an abortion; the fetus is dead, regrettably.

You know..."an eye for an eye" is not a part of Christian doctrine.
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:48 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Valcouria wrote:As I've said before, I'd rather the south secede than accept such a practice.


Oh, yeah, that's worked out great before.

They had great reasons, too.

I think they have something much more important to uphold, like the traditional and correct definition of marriage and to reverse the secularization of society.

I'd be willing to fight alongside them in a heartbeat.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:48 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I'm afraid AR will be the last state to embrace such a legislation.

We have a SCOTUS ruling on our side. They can't hold out for too long.


I pray you're right. The bigotry down here is a painful remainder of how ignorant humans can be.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:48 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Yes. One at a time.

Preferably not. Preferably, all at the same time, as soon as possible.

Same, but if one at a time must be, one at a time it is.
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:48 pm

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Mkuki wrote:Hell, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and California (possibly) can also be crossed off.

As well as Delaware and, possibly, Nevada.

Off of the list that just leaves Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Michigan, Oregon, Colorado and New Mexico. With Nevada in a kind of legislative limbo.
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The criminal in question already had an abortion; the fetus is dead, regrettably.

You know..."an eye for an eye" is not a part of Christian doctrine.

That depends on what book you read,
God appears to change his opinion a lot.

(another reason why I don't accept the Bible as it is, it's definitely got some errors)
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We have a SCOTUS ruling on our side. They can't hold out for too long.


I pray you're right. The bigotry down here is a painful remainder of how ignorant humans can be.

The posts that I've read in the last few pages coupled with your flag have scarred me for life.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We have a SCOTUS ruling on our side. They can't hold out for too long.

I pray you're right. The bigotry down here is a painful remainder of how ignorant humans can be.

We have the Internet, we have better communications system, we have more supporters by the minute now. We'll get there.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Yes. One at a time.


I'm afraid AR will be the last state to embrace such a legislation.


No. Tennessee. I'm willing to bet actual money on that.

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Before or after the fetus is born?

The criminal in question already had an abortion; the fetus is dead, regrettably.


I was referring to people who'd been caught before the abortion was performed.
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Private Christian institution, matter of fact.


You're still very unlikely to pass. I don't think many professors of criminal law or human rights would look kindly upon a student who worships Pinochet, favors vigilantism and lynchins as a pseudo-legitimate form of justice and apparently understands nothing about the origins and nature of human law.

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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Valcouria wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh, yeah, that's worked out great before.

They had great reasons, too.

I think they have something much more important to uphold, like the traditional and correct definition of marriage and to reverse the secularization of society.

I'd be willing to fight alongside them in a heartbeat.

You mean a theocracy....
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:49 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I pray you're right. The bigotry down here is a painful remainder of how ignorant humans can be.

The posts that I've read in the last few pages coupled with your flag have scarred me for life.


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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:50 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Yes. One at a time.


Preferably not. Preferably, all at the same time, as soon as possible.

Valcouria wrote:As I've said before, I'd rather the south secede than accept such a practice.


And, as I said before, that only gives our cause more legitimacy. Effectively, you'd play a crucial role in the nation-wide recognition of same-sex marriage. Do you really want that on your conscious?

Frankly, if the south goes it's own way and upholds marriage as it should be, I'd be willing to say without remorse 'to Hell with the US.'
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Valcouria wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh, yeah, that's worked out great before.

They had great reasons, too.

I think they have something much more important to uphold, like the traditional and correct definition of marriage and to reverse the secularization of society.

I'd be willing to fight alongside them in a heartbeat.


Have fun getting your ass kicked by the Union, Robert E. Lee.

Are you also going to talk about how serious of a condition dysentery might be among the ranks and whether you should distribute sheep-intestine condoms to your soldiers to avoid venereal diseases?

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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Preferably not. Preferably, all at the same time, as soon as possible.



And, as I said before, that only gives our cause more legitimacy. Effectively, you'd play a crucial role in the nation-wide recognition of same-sex marriage. Do you really want that on your conscious?

Frankly, if the south goes it's own way and upholds marriage as it should be, I'd be willing to say without remorse 'to Hell with the US.'

And where would you go?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Preferably not. Preferably, all at the same time, as soon as possible.



And, as I said before, that only gives our cause more legitimacy. Effectively, you'd play a crucial role in the nation-wide recognition of same-sex marriage. Do you really want that on your conscious?

Frankly, if the south goes it's own way and upholds marriage as it should be, I'd be willing to say without remorse 'to Hell with the US.'

I hope Texas stays out this time. I don't want to become a third world country.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I pray you're right. The bigotry down here is a painful remainder of how ignorant humans can be.

We have the Internet, we have better communications system, we have more supporters by the minute now. We'll get there.


I surely hope so. It's a matter of treating people with dignity, regardless of their sexual orientation.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
You're still very unlikely to pass. I don't think many professors of criminal law or human rights would look kindly upon a student who worships Pinochet, favors vigilantism and lynchins as a pseudo-legitimate form of justice and apparently understands nothing about the origins and nature of human law.

You forget...I am a figurative chameleon...I can mask my true persona under a more socially acceptable one, if need be.


Again, that's called being in the closet.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:51 pm

Valcouria wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh, yeah, that's worked out great before.

They had great reasons, too.

I think they have something much more important to uphold, like the traditional and correct definition of marriage and to reverse the secularization of society.

I'd be willing to fight alongside them in a heartbeat.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:52 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I'm afraid AR will be the last state to embrace such a legislation.


No. Tennessee. I'm willing to bet actual money on that.

Valcouria wrote:The criminal in question already had an abortion; the fetus is dead, regrettably.


I was referring to people who'd been caught before the abortion was performed.


Is it worse on your neck of the woods?
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:52 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The criminal in question already had an abortion; the fetus is dead, regrettably.


I was referring to people who'd been caught before the abortion was performed.

Oh. Well, in that case, wait until the child is born...it would be better off without a mother that tried to killed him or her.
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