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Herador
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Postby Herador » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:39 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:Why are we letting him pull our puppet strings?

Is there something better to be doing on NSG?
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:39 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Gay marriage...abortion...socialism/communism...there's more to it than just gay marriage. But it is a substantial factor.


Gay marriage only objective affects the quality of life of LGBT people and their children.
Abortion has no legally tangible victims.
Socialism/communism existed in your beloved era as well...and even then, they're just two ideologies out of hundreds.

Neither amount in any way to a "substantial factor" that determines our current world as something in any way inferior to the past, a past with lower quality of life, genocide, more ignorance and a lot more war.

1. Being forced into cohabitation with them is something I adamantly refuse to accept...especially if they can dare lay claim to a word that has been withheld solely for one man and one woman.
2. I consider the fetus, a person-in-the-making, as a victim (personally I would like to see those who seek abortions up for murder charges).
3. Yes, they were around, but they were adamantly despised, as they should be.
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Mkuki
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:40 pm

New Libertarian States wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Well, Minnesota already legalized same-sex marriage.

Really?
Oh, yeah, a few months back.

Hell, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and California (possibly) can also be crossed off.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Valcouria wrote:American Law comes from English Law, which comes from Roman Law. Roman law, to my knowledge, was based on the divine word of pagan gods.


There was plenty of civic laws in Roman law.


Not to mention the fact that it isn't a pure transition. You also had influences from thoughts at the time, hence the differing structures in government.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
If you had any knowledge of history, you'd know things changed substantially in the 2000 or so years between the establishment of American law and Roman law.


Plus Roman law was civic, not religious.


I wasn't sure, tbh.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Choronzon wrote:...did...did you just imply you were a lawyer?

Cause thatd be awesome.

I'm studying for that career shortly, matter of fact.

You shall not pass...unless you go to Patriot Bible University or something of the sort.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Herador wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Why are we letting him pull our puppet strings?

Is there something better to be doing on NSG?

Many. Like partying in joy over the ruling.

Face it. We're the reason why this forum keeps dying. You can only torture yourselves for so long before you collapse.
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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:I'm studying for that career shortly, matter of fact.

You shall not pass...unless you go to Patriot Bible University or something of the sort.

Private Christian institution, matter of fact.
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Postby Bralia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:40 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Gay marriage only objective affects the quality of life of LGBT people and their children.
Abortion has no legally tangible victims.
Socialism/communism existed in your beloved era as well...and even then, they're just two ideologies out of hundreds.

Neither amount in any way to a "substantial factor" that determines our current world as something in any way inferior to the past, a past with lower quality of life, genocide, more ignorance and a lot more war.

2. I consider the fetus, a person-in-the-making, as a victim (personally I would like to see those who seek abortions up for murder charges).

And lynch 'em when they're convicted?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:41 pm

Mkuki wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Really?
Oh, yeah, a few months back.

Hell, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and California (possibly) can also be crossed off.

California started doing same-gender unions today. You're good.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:41 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
There was plenty of civic laws in Roman law.


Not to mention the fact that it isn't a pure transition. You also had influences from thoughts at the time, hence the differing structures in government.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Plus Roman law was civic, not religious.


I wasn't sure, tbh.


I am going by Liri and by the Wiki article on civil law.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:41 pm

Herador wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Why are we letting him pull our puppet strings?

Is there something better to be doing on NSG?


... Actually, yes.

If we bothered to find something else to do.

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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:42 pm

Bralia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:2. I consider the fetus, a person-in-the-making, as a victim (personally I would like to see those who seek abortions up for murder charges).

And lynch 'em when they're convicted?

...If need be.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:42 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Hell, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and California (possibly) can also be crossed off.

California started doing same-gender unions today. You're good.


Now for every other state.
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:43 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Bralia wrote:And lynch 'em when they're convicted?

...If need be.

I really hope you don't become a prosecuting attorney.
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Postby Bralia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:43 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Bralia wrote:And lynch 'em when they're convicted?

...If need be.

What would warrant a lynching, anyway?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:California started doing same-gender unions today. You're good.

Now for every other state.

Yes. One at a time.
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:California started doing same-gender unions today. You're good.


Now for every other state.

Georgia won't be too far off. They're already getting ready to swing blue 2016/2020
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Bralia wrote:And lynch 'em when they're convicted?

...If need be.


Before or after the fetus is born?
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:California started doing same-gender unions today. You're good.


Now for every other state.

As I've said before, I'd rather the south secede than accept such a practice.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Gay marriage only objective affects the quality of life of LGBT people and their children.
Abortion has no legally tangible victims.
Socialism/communism existed in your beloved era as well...and even then, they're just two ideologies out of hundreds.

Neither amount in any way to a "substantial factor" that determines our current world as something in any way inferior to the past, a past with lower quality of life, genocide, more ignorance and a lot more war.

1. Being forced into cohabitation with them is something I adamantly refuse to accept...especially if they can dare lay claim to a word that has been withheld solely for one man and one woman.
2. I consider the fetus, a person-in-the-making, as a victim (personally I would like to see those who seek abortions up for murder charges).
3. Yes, they were around, but they were adamantly despised, as they should be.


1. Being forced into cohabitation with them?
First: They are human beings. They exist and they live in the same world as you. They obviously will "cohabit" this world with you, whether they are in or out of the closet...unless you want to commit genocide against homosexuals, that it.
Second: It's not like we want to force you to suck a gay guy's prick...or even watch two women have sex. And, really...this little snippet of paranoia is in no way related to same-sex marriage.

2. Well...let's say the fetus' potential humanity makes it a person. So? Millions of women have abortions anyway, whether it's legal or not. The only difference is that, with legal abortion, it's far less likely those women will die along with the fetus.

3. :lol2: Nope.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Now for every other state.

Yes. One at a time.


I'm afraid AR will be the last state to embrace such a legislation.
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Mkuki wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Really?
Oh, yeah, a few months back.

Hell, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and California (possibly) can also be crossed off.

As well as Delaware and, possibly, Nevada.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Now for every other state.

As I've said before, I'd rather the south secede than accept such a practice.


Oh, yeah, that's worked out great before.

They had great reasons, too.

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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:45 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:...If need be.


Before or after the fetus is born?

The criminal in question already had an abortion; the fetus is dead, regrettably.
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:46 pm

Bralia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:...If need be.

What would warrant a lynching, anyway?

Driving While Black, apparently.
Oh wait no, Valcouria said that was just "regrettable".
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