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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
"No me importa!"
"Come torta!"
"Tu mama la gorda!"

Yes, simple yet, tedious. :p


"Cuchillito que no corta!" :P


LOL, the memories! :lol:
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Vettrera
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Vettrera wrote:I think marriage just got a hell of a lot better.

And I think you are o so very wrong...but then, you think I am wrong. An impasse.

How can we be at an impasse if you believe my opinion is invalid, since I'm oh so left of center?
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Valcouria
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Corporate Police State

Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
Menassa wrote:So you chose the roaring 20s?

I don't like the Sodom the world has become, I'm moving to Gomorrah.


I laughed.

Val would be stuck between the Great War and the Great Depression too. Possibly blind or missing a limb, and soon to be queuing for soup.

And yet it would still be better than this terrible world we live in today.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What do I know?

You know cat-stuff. :p

Valcouria wrote:
Vettrera wrote:I think marriage just got a hell of a lot better.

And I think you are o so very wrong...but then, you think I am wrong. An impasse.

Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.
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Mkuki
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Really? Why?


Well, Texas is starting to turn blue. Florida is so gerrymandered to hell that it's never going to be blue on the state government level, because even though the blue cities are growing faster than the red ones, the establishment basically remaps the districts with impunity so that they'll remain in control.

Plus being a corrupt male WASP is kind of a prerequisite to being Governor. We have a criminal in our governor's mansion right now, everyone knew it during he election, but he still won.

Interesting. I remember I saw a site that listed the states most likely to legalize same-sex marriage. I'll try and find it. I'd like your opinion on the suggestions.

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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:24 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Ainin wrote:Well I don't.

Neither does the law.

Well, it should...after all, the concept of law comes from divine or divinely-inspired sources (depending on whether or not one counts ancient Babylonian rulers as 'gods', as they referred to themselves).


Not American law, and definitely not any system of law that isn't medieval.

Valcouria wrote:
Vettrera wrote:I think marriage just got a hell of a lot better.

And I think you are o so very wrong...but then, you think I am wrong. An impasse.


An impasse implies you have a valid point for believing your bullshit.

You don't.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:24 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
I laughed.

Val would be stuck between the Great War and the Great Depression too. Possibly blind or missing a limb, and soon to be queuing for soup.

And yet it would still be better than this terrible world we live in today.


Walk a mile in a blind homeless amputee's shoes back during the Depression, and get back to me.
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New Libertarian States
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Postby New Libertarian States » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:24 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Well, Texas is starting to turn blue. Florida is so gerrymandered to hell that it's never going to be blue on the state government level, because even though the blue cities are growing faster than the red ones, the establishment basically remaps the districts with impunity so that they'll remain in control.

Plus being a corrupt male WASP is kind of a prerequisite to being Governor. We have a criminal in our governor's mansion right now, everyone knew it during he election, but he still won.

Interesting. I remember I saw a site that listed the states most likely to legalize same-sex marriage. I'll try and find it. I'd like your opinion on the suggestions.

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Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
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there is a life about to start
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Postby Bralia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Arguing when we were children was so...easy...yet so tedious. :P



What integrity? You've pretty much admitted that you don't follow the rules of your own religion, that you believe in a government that does things that your own religion deems immoral.

The integrity of keeping my beliefs pure and untainted by left-wing influence; if there is anything I pride myself in, it is this.

Which you've done quite a good job of already. Isn't your presence here redundant now? You've repeated your beliefs many times now. The leftist hammer has struck the concrete multiple times now and neither has yielded. The back and forth seems pointless now.
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Death Metal
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Well, Texas is starting to turn blue. Florida is so gerrymandered to hell that it's never going to be blue on the state government level, because even though the blue cities are growing faster than the red ones, the establishment basically remaps the districts with impunity so that they'll remain in control.

Plus being a corrupt male WASP is kind of a prerequisite to being Governor. We have a criminal in our governor's mansion right now, everyone knew it during he election, but he still won.

Interesting. I remember I saw a site that listed the states most likely to legalize same-sex marriage. I'll try and find it. I'd like your opinion on the suggestions.

WASP?


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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Liriena wrote:
"Cuchillito que no corta!" :P


LOL, the memories! :lol:

This is the sort of stuff that makes me want to believe in reincarnation. I'd love to be a (middle-class) kid again. :P

Valcouria wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
I laughed.

Val would be stuck between the Great War and the Great Depression too. Possibly blind or missing a limb, and soon to be queuing for soup.

And yet it would still be better than this terrible world we live in today.


Seriously? A war-torn world where you and millions of other young men are mutilated and hopeless is better than this...because of gay marriage? :lol2:
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:25 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What do I know?

You know cat-stuff. :p

Valcouria wrote:And I think you are o so very wrong...but then, you think I am wrong. An impasse.

Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.


Yes. But as much as I would love the world to be solely about cats... it isn't. :(

In any case, if Val really believes the spiel he's posting, he's dead wrong. If not, well, another day in NSG.
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Valcouria
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Corporate Police State

Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:26 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:What do I know?

You know cat-stuff. :p

Valcouria wrote:And I think you are o so very wrong...but then, you think I am wrong. An impasse.

Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.

Opinions are without the need of facts. That is why they are opinions.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Choronzon » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:26 pm

....law comes from God?

So...lawyers are like priests?

Well, thats a twist.

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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:27 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Yes. But as much as I would love the world to be solely about cats... it isn't. :(

Give it some time...Tard will become the Supreme Overlord in a year or two.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby New Libertarian States » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:27 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:You know cat-stuff. :p


Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.

Opinions are without the need of facts. That is why they are opinionsStupid and dangerous opinions

Fixed.
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Choronzon
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:27 pm

I nominate Neo Art for Pope.

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Vettrera
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vettrera » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:27 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
I laughed.

Val would be stuck between the Great War and the Great Depression too. Possibly blind or missing a limb, and soon to be queuing for soup.

And yet it would still be better than this terrible world we live in today.

Why? Because we don't live in the oppressive, God-Fearing* world of the Roaring 20s.


And of course I mean the Christian God, seeing as that's the only God that there ever could be, and that only the Holy Bible is relevant in society. So what if other religions say different things on how life should be lived, Christianity is the one true religion.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Yes. But as much as I would love the world to be solely about cats... it isn't. :(

Give it some time...Tard will become the Supreme Overlord in a year or two.


Overlady. If only that were to improve things...
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Choronzon wrote:I nominate Neo Art for Pope.


Scary.
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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:And yet it would still be better than this terrible world we live in today.


Seriously? A war-torn world where you and millions of other young men are mutilated and hopeless is better than this...because of gay marriage? :lol2:

Gay marriage...abortion...socialism/communism...there's more to it than just gay marriage. But it is a substantial factor.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:You know cat-stuff. :p


Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.

Opinions are without the need of facts. That is why they are opinions.

An opinion is based on arguments. If the arguments (and/or their premises and/or conclussions) are false and/or invalid, the opinion is worthless.
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Well, it should...after all, the concept of law comes from divine or divinely-inspired sources (depending on whether or not one counts ancient Babylonian rulers as 'gods', as they referred to themselves).


Not American law, and definitely not any system of law that isn't medieval.


And, if Val was actually a law student, he'd know this already. I'd think that would be American Law 101.

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:You know cat-stuff. :p


Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.

Opinions are without the need of facts. That is why they are opinions.


No, opinions are based on facts (or perceived facts). This is how opinions can be wrong. See: flat-earthers, moon landing conspiracy theorists, etc.
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Postby Edlichbury » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Bralia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:The integrity of keeping my beliefs pure and untainted by left-wing influence; if there is anything I pride myself in, it is this.

Which you've done quite a good job of already. Isn't your presence here redundant now? You've repeated your beliefs many times now. The leftist hammer has struck the concrete multiple times now and neither has yielded. The back and forth seems pointless now.

Not even a leftist hammer, considering how many right or centre-right posters were against him. It's simply the rational and empathetical hammer at this point.

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The Rich Port
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Rich Port » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:29 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:You know cat-stuff. :p


Nope. An impasse would imply that both of you have valid arguments supporting your respective opinions. That is not the case here. Your opinion, Valcouria, has no valid basis.

Opinions are without the need of facts. That is why they are opinions.


Opinions that are moronic and ignorant have no need of facts.

If you actually want someone to take you seriously for more than 5 seconds, you need some kind of back up.

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