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Valcouria
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:57 pm

Liriena wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Wonder how many Hail Marys you have to say to be forgiven for that last one.


I'd guess around a hundred, and twice as many Lord's Prayers. Plus an hour or two on your knees before the particularly scary cross in the church's side-chamber.

Sounds about right...maybe double...it would certainly be superior to learning about the disintegration of marriage, anyway.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:57 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Franco...Salazar...Pinochet...?

You idolize megalomaniacal mass murderers?


Again, Hobbes reincarnated. Only he could be such a political/social sadomasochist.


All of them are morally reprehensible. How could someone idolize them is beyond me.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:57 pm

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Not even that. More like a crowd follower. Most likely, everybody else he knew was going to this 'Chuch' place, and he was most likely brought there as a kid to begin with, so its the only thing he knows. He doesn't follow Jesus. He just doesn't want to leave his security blanket.

Val, if you disagree with any of this, know that I'm only basing it on everything you've said so far, so if you disagree with the analysis, the only person to blame is in your nearest mirror.

Actually, I chose to go to Church...my household was Catholic-Southern Baptist, so in the-then interest of harmony religion was left out.


Ah huh. Again, how do you reconcile your anti-Christlike political/social beliefs with being a Christian?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Apparently, I do...Maurras is someone I idolize politically...alongside Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet.


Oh gods... the spiel.

Yep. :meh:

Grenartia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Apparently, I do...Maurras is someone I idolize politically...alongside Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet.


So...you're Hobbes reincarnate?

How do you reconcile your decidedly anti-Christian beliefs with your supposed Christianity?


Don't soil the good name of Hobbes. Hobbes was coherent and made a compelling case for his totalitarian misanthropy. Mr. Val here seems incapable of doing that.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:59 pm

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Vettrera wrote:As far as 2 is concerned. Why are you in favor if it then?


Because trials are overrated and untrendy.


Also because the death of a criminal is a victory, but the death of a million innocents is a statistic.
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:59 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Apparently, I do...Maurras is someone I idolize politically...alongside Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet.


So...you're Hobbes reincarnate?

How do you reconcile your decidedly anti-Christian beliefs with your supposed Christianity?

Ah, Hobbes...someone who got it right (although you forgot Edmund Burke).

And to answer your other question...I try to behave normally in most instances (giving to charity and whatnot), but I am already quite convinced I am heading for Purgatory (at best). As I said before, I'd rather keep my integrity along the way.
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Apparently, I do...Maurras is someone I idolize politically...alongside Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet.

Franco...Salazar...Pinochet...?

You idolize megalomaniacal mass murderers?

I prefer to call them 'proper rulers', but if you want my answer, then yes.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:01 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
I'd guess around a hundred, and twice as many Lord's Prayers. Plus an hour or two on your knees before the particularly scary cross in the church's side-chamber.

Sounds about right...maybe double...it would certainly be superior to learning about the disintegration of marriage, anyway.


Delightful. Gay marriage is bad, but genocide and the deaths of innocents at the hands of cruel vigilantism are awwwwright. :roll:
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:01 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
So...you're Hobbes reincarnate?

How do you reconcile your decidedly anti-Christian beliefs with your supposed Christianity?

Ah, Hobbes...someone who got it right (although you forgot Edmund Burke).

And to answer your other question...I try to behave normally in most instances (giving to charity and whatnot), but I am already quite convinced I am heading for Purgatory (at best). As I said before, I'd rather keep my integrity along the way.


But why? If you submit to the fact that your beliefs directly go against God's teaching, why continue?
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:02 pm

NSG is exceptionally good at feeding.


It's a bit sad, really.

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Postby Ainin » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:02 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Franco...Salazar...Pinochet...?

You idolize megalomaniacal mass murderers?

I prefer to call them 'proper rulers', but if you want my answer, then yes.

Mass murder is proper administration now. Hitler and Stalin deserve the Nobel Peace Prize then.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Sounds about right...maybe double...it would certainly be superior to learning about the disintegration of marriage, anyway.


Delightful. Gay marriage is bad, but genocide and the deaths of innocents at the hands of cruel vigilantism are awwwwright. :roll:


Could it be that this poster is nothing but a Poe? I get this feeling...
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:03 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Franco...Salazar...Pinochet...?

You idolize megalomaniacal mass murderers?

I prefer to call them 'proper rulers', but if you want my answer, then yes.


Wow. You're practically a real-life Paladin of Tyranny.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:04 pm

Divair wrote:NSG is exceptionally good at feeding.


It's a bit sad, really.


It keeps the boredom away, really.

Ainin wrote:
Valcouria wrote:I prefer to call them 'proper rulers', but if you want my answer, then yes.

Mass murder is proper administration now. Hitler and Stalin deserve the Nobel Peace Prize then.


LEGALIZE TORTURE. DISSIDENTS ARE THEFT. HITLER/STALIN 2019!
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Postby Choronzon » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:04 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:
I'd guess around a hundred, and twice as many Lord's Prayers. Plus an hour or two on your knees before the particularly scary cross in the church's side-chamber.

Sounds about right...maybe double...it would certainly be superior to learning about the disintegration of marriage, anyway.

Thanks for the sour grapes. I was getting hungry.

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Postby Bralia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:05 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Franco...Salazar...Pinochet...?

You idolize megalomaniacal mass murderers?

I prefer to call them 'proper rulers', but if you want my answer, then yes.

I literally spat out Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard at the sight of this preposterous post.

Valcouria, why are you still here? Are you here to try and save NSGers?
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:05 pm

Death Metal wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Because trials are overrated and untrendy.


Also because the death of a criminal is a victory, but the death of a million innocents is a statistic.

I feel like I want to keep this quote, actually...
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Divair wrote:NSG is exceptionally good at feeding.


It's a bit sad, really.

To get back on task, does anyone know what the most likely states are for legalization of same-sex marriage? What state legislatures are currently debating the issue?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Franco...Salazar...Pinochet...?

You idolize megalomaniacal mass murderers?

I prefer to call them 'proper rulers', but if you want my answer, then yes.

Proper rulers? They butchered thousands for disagreeing with them. They anihilated entire cultures. They drove their nations to social, political and economic ruin, and left them with scars that will take centuries to heal.

You are not even advocating for benevolent dictatorships. You are openly (and arrogantly) brown-nosing some of the most depraved, incompetent and malicious bastards to have mutilated the rule of law through military coups and oppressed their own countrymen.

There is nothing "proper" about them.

You only see them as proper because you think their despicable crimes validate your equally despicable and consistently incoherent ramblings. They are your own personal excuse to your own lack of empathy.
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Postby Divair » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Grenartia wrote:It keeps the boredom away, really.

If feeding is the only thing keeping boredom away, then I truly fear for NSG's future.

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Postby Grenartia » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Delightful. Gay marriage is bad, but genocide and the deaths of innocents at the hands of cruel vigilantism are awwwwright. :roll:


Could it be that this poster is nothing but a Poe? I get this feeling...


Meh, I'm still convinced we're being rolled.

Valcouria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Also because the death of a criminal is a victory, but the death of a million innocents is a statistic.

I feel like I want to keep this quote, actually...


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Postby Choronzon » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Divair wrote:NSG is exceptionally good at feeding.


It's a bit sad, really.

Stop ruining all the great discussion we could be having!

No, but seriously, I'd hate to see more posters get banned for pointing out the really fucking obvious.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Divair wrote:NSG is exceptionally good at feeding.


It's a bit sad, really.

To get back on task, does anyone know what the most likely states are for legalization of same-sex marriage? What state legislatures are currently debating the issue?


I know Arkansas isn't. Sad, really.
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Postby Valcouria » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Valcouria wrote:Ah, Hobbes...someone who got it right (although you forgot Edmund Burke).

And to answer your other question...I try to behave normally in most instances (giving to charity and whatnot), but I am already quite convinced I am heading for Purgatory (at best). As I said before, I'd rather keep my integrity along the way.


But why? If you submit to the fact that your beliefs directly go against God's teaching, why continue?

Because they are my beliefs. I crafted them out of my feelings and my perception of how things should be.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Also because the death of a criminal is a victory, but the death of a million innocents is a statistic.

I feel like I want to keep this quote, actually...

You shameless little Poe.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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