Wendy Davis Is Going for a 13 Hour Filibuster

[Regnum Dominae]

Why do I get this visualization of Republicans wishing babies were born like Chestbursters to fullfill their pro-life and slut-punishing fantasies at the same time?

Becuase of the existence of horrible people like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock.

[Zavea]

Why do I get this visualization of Republicans wishing babies were born like Chestbursters to fullfill their pro-life and slut-punishing fantasies at the same time?

Because it fucking is what some of them want. Rick Perry, for example, very much supports banning abortion even in the case that it kills the mother.

rick perry wants to fund development of those motion detector wands from the movie alien except they only work on abortion doctors

"Pro-choice... Jesus Christ, it's in the walls!"

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Because it fucking is what some of them want. Rick Perry, for example, very much supports banning abortion even in the case that it kills the mother.

rick perry wants to fund development of those motion detector wands from the movie alien except they only work on abortion doctors

"Pro-choice... Jesus Christ, it's in the walls!"

"Fuck, there's one now!" *I slither up the wall, my speculum in my mouth*

[The Kingdom of Arn]

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

[Frisivisia]

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

The average NSer will also complain about blatant generalizations.

[Regnum Dominae]

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

I can't speak for the rest of NSG, but I don't have a problem with talking filibusters. It's procedural filibusters which I loathe.

And the republicans have mostly been using procedural filibusters.

[Orham]

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

Oh, yeah? Well...hmm...how to put this?

http://jpattitude.com/CrookedDemocrats_Timeline.php

Any questions? Your hypocrisy has been noted.

EDIT: Just wanted to make sure you understood.

[St George]

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

It's ok when the person filibustering is in the right.

[Liberatia]

The State of Liberatia commends Wendy Davis on her fillibuster. For anyone to be able to do that to improve rights for women, she is truly an American Hero.

[Orham]

The State of Liberatia commends Wendy Davis on her fillibuster. For anyone to be able to do that to improve rights for women, she is truly an American Hero.

Although it shares in the commendation, the Imperial Magocracy of Orham would like to remind the State of Liberatia that NSG is an OOC-only forum.

[AiliailiA]

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

I am not the average NSer.

The talking filibuster is better than the procedural filibuster, in that it requires a sacrifice of effort.
However, it's worse in two ways: firstly it allows a minority of ONE senator to block a bill (1 in 31 in the case of Texas: that's 3%), and secondly it blocks every other bill on the agenda for that day (or session if it happens on the last day as it did this time).

And this wasn't only a filibuster. Davis was sat down for three alleged failures to stay on-topic ... meh. BUT THEN, with time left in the session, the vote was delayed past midnight by protesters in the gallery.

[Ifreann]

That's even slipping away, rather rapidly in some states.

All it takes is one woman in the United States killed by a denied abortion.

It's working for Ireland. A little.

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Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

The average NSer will also complain about blatant generalizations.

Not endlessly, though. You get bored of it eventually.

[Ashmoria]

Birth. Done.

Why? If it's viable outside of the womb, why kill it, other than for the life of the mother?

maybe you should think of WHY an abortion would be done after viability.

viability is a number (in the law) it is no guarantee of fetal health.

[Ifreann]

Why? If it's viable outside of the womb, why kill it, other than for the life of the mother?

maybe you should think of WHY an abortion would be done after viability.

viability is a number (in the law) it is no guarantee of fetal health.

I expect Joe meant actual viability of the actual foetus in question.

[Ashmoria]

maybe you should think of WHY an abortion would be done after viability.

viability is a number (in the law) it is no guarantee of fetal health.

I expect Joe meant actual viability of the actual foetus in question.

I hope so.

[Gauthier]

rick perry wants to fund development of those motion detector wands from the movie alien except they only work on abortion doctors

"Pro-choice... Jesus Christ, it's in the walls!"

"Fuck, there's one now!" *I slither up the wall, my speculum in my mouth*

Why do you think he's pushing for mandatory transvaginal ultrasound?

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"9 meters. 7. 6."
"That can't be; that's inside the womb!"
"It's reading right man, look!"
"Then you're not reading it right."
"5 meters man, 4. What the hell?"

[AiliailiA]

maybe you should think of WHY an abortion would be done after viability.

viability is a number (in the law) it is no guarantee of fetal health.

I expect Joe meant actual viability of the actual foetus in question.

We should stop calling him Joe.

Frisivisia is pursuing a compromise with pro-lifers that is too generous for me. Joe Biden would not put such a position.

The viability of an individual fetus can only be estimated. After it is delivered prematurely, it may or may not survive. It may survive to become a child, with permanent disabilities it would not have if it had been carried by the mother for longer. Furthermore, there are large costs involved in neo-natal care.

Is the Texas legislature offering to fund the upgrade of abortion clinics in the state, to meet the hospital standards they want to set for them to operate at all? Of course not. Would pro-lifers sign a government check averaging half a million dollars for each 24-week "viable" fetus a viability law would save from abortion? Of course not.

I don't like that compromise. I don't like it one bit.

[New Chalcedon]

If you can give live birth, you should. At the point where the fetus is viable outside of the womb, it is entitled to take advantage of the viability, up until the point where the life of the mother is involved.

point of viability is reasonable, of course with exception for the mother's life.

......wasn't that the Casey outcome?

Yes, yes it was. in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the SCOTUS clarified that the Constitutional right to abortion exists up to - and only up to - the point where the fetus is viable outside the womb. And that even before that point, the government can regulate how abortion services are provided, within reason.

...so I have to ask this: given that you (as a conservative) and I (as a pronounced liberal) are both agreeing that there is a Constitutionally-protected right for an expecting woman to abort a pre-viable pregnancy, why is it that Republican legislatures all over the country - and indeed, the Republican House of Representatives in DC - are all passing narrower and narrower restrictions on abortion, including unduly burdensome regulations (for instance, stipulating dimensions of storage spaces and corridors), attempting to redefine the moment that life begins and this latest absurdity from Texas?

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

I have less of a problem with filibusters than I do with (a) abused filibusters (for instance, "We have no problem with this nominee, but we're going to filibuster him anyway!" - and yes, the Republicans have done it); and (b) procedural filibusters, which is where the Republican can send a little note to the Majority Leader's office notifying him of the intention to filibuster, and then being able to go home to his DC apartment, eat a hot meal and sleep in a warm bed, without ever actually having to exert himself in order to clog the Senate's functions to a halt.

I trust you can see the difference.

Funny how the average NSER will complain endlessly about Republicans filibustering but its ok when a Democrat does it.

I am not the average NSer.

The talking filibuster is better than the procedural filibuster, in that it requires a sacrifice of effort.
However, it's worse in two ways: firstly it allows a minority of ONE senator to block a bill (1 in 31 in the case of Texas: that's 3%), and secondly it blocks every other bill on the agenda for that day (or session if it happens on the last day as it did this time).

And this wasn't only a filibuster. Davis was sat down for three alleged failures to stay on-topic ... meh. BUT THEN, with time left in the session, the vote was delayed past midnight by protesters in the gallery.

It doesn't "allow" a one-Senator minority to filibuster - it "requires" it. The only reason Davis stood up alone is that her fellow Democrats were not permitted to stand up with her. It also requires that no-one give her any form of aid or assistance, that she cannot eat so much as a handful of peanuts or lean on her desk

What's more, there's nothing "meh" about the ruling that talking about the effects of previous anti-abortion bills is somehow not germane to discussion on this anti-abortion bill. Dewhurst was looking for an excuse to shut the filibuster down, and the incredibly arcane rules on filibustering in the TX State Senate gave him his shot. Also, what killed the bill once and for all - for Davis' filibuster was struck down on a technicality two hours short of the deadline - was when State Senator Letitia van der Putte, having been absent to attend her father's funeral and having rushed back to get back to the matter, spent two hours on "parliamentary inquiry", grilling Lt.-Gov Dewhurst on what had happened in her absence.

......and then the Republicans tried to (a) pass the bill after midnight, when the special session had ended; and (b) gimmick the records to "prove" that they had passed the bill before the deadline.

You wanna talk about hanky-panky? Talk about that.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Anyone else ready to start the fight again tomorrow?

[Greed and Death]

point of viability is reasonable, of course with exception for the mother's life.

......wasn't that the Casey outcome?

Yes, yes it was. in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the SCOTUS clarified that the Constitutional right to abortion exists up to - and only up to - the point where the fetus is viable outside the womb. And that even before that point, the government can regulate how abortion services are provided, within reason.

...so I have to ask this: given that you (as a conservative) and I (as a pronounced liberal) are both agreeing that there is a Constitutionally-protected right for an expecting woman to abort a pre-viable pregnancy, why is it that Republican legislatures all over the country - and indeed, the Republican House of Representatives in DC - are all passing narrower and narrower restrictions on abortion, including unduly burdensome regulations (for instance, stipulating dimensions of storage spaces and corridors), attempting to redefine the moment that life begins and this latest absurdity from Texas?

I don't know if I would call myself a conservative. I tend to poe some threads to see how people react.
I am most certainly Prochoice, or as I call it pro-life meaning keep abortion legal to protect the lives of women.
Also the Casey plurality said regulation before viability is acceptable if it is not an undue burden. A little stricter standard than reasonableness you suggest.

The GOP is plainly trying to outlaw abortion, if they can not do it legally they will do so by Defacto means they are attempting to do so by everything remotely not considered an undue burden. They will throw a dozen new regulations against the wall after the legal challenges one or two will still be stuck there. And those two new regulations would likely not be an undue burden on their own, but added with what is already within regulation...

[Individuality-ness]

Anyone else ready to start the fight again tomorrow?

I'd love to, but I'm hanging out with my best friend from 5-8 PST. This is mandatory.

Otherwise, kill the bill!

[Gauthier]

Anyone else ready to start the fight again tomorrow?

I'd love to, but I'm hanging out with my best friend from 5-8 PST. This is mandatory.

Otherwise, kill abort the bill!

Fixed.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

UPDATE: Senate in recess until 11am, July 9th.

[Individuality-ness]

UPDATE: Senate in recess until 11am, July 9th.

I heard it was a bait and switch. Dunno about that, but at least Texas women have their rights for another day.

[Geilinor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23140293 The Texas Republicans would force 37 of the 42 abortion clinics in the state to close. For a state of 25 million people, just 5 clinics is ridiculous. Now Rick Perry and the Republicans have vowed to pass the bill before the summer recess.