Do you think that a Modern day Third Reich could happen?

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Not to worry. Juche isn't a form of anything. It doesn't really have a form, come to think of it.

I stick with labeling North Korea a 'theocratic absolute monarchy'.

Close enough.

[Angleter]

How the fuck would a National Socialist state rise in fucking Israel?

Jehuddah
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Sounds familiar.

The only remotely sizeable party that supports ejecting the Arabs and all that sort of thing, Otzma leYisra'el, got 1.8% of the vote and failed to get into the Knesset. Even if they could buy off the Haredim, they'd still need about a third of the votes, a feat that hasn't been achieved since 1992, and only in 1978 and 1981 by a non-Labour party (Begin's Likud).

[Densaner]

No. Hitler came to power and did his thang before Nuclear weapons were invented.

[Jehuddah]

No. Hitler came to power and did his thang before Nuclear weapons were invented.

So? I don't seem to understand your connection.

[Napkiraly]

Well, it would be the Fourth Reich. Considering how the Russians marched into the third one and had a blast.

[Densaner]

No. Hitler came to power and did his thang before Nuclear weapons were invented.

So? I don't seem to understand your connection.

You will never have a power hungry tyrant attacking Britain or France again. If they do then eat our mushroom clouds.

[Jehuddah]

So? I don't seem to understand your connection.

You will never have a power hungry tyrant attacking Britain or France again. If they do then eat our mushroom clouds.

He isn't talking about a third world war, but about the possibility of a Radical Right wing state.

[Ferreosia]

[/quote]The Golden Dawn's support hovers around 10%.

They have not been involved in a coalition and no major party in Greece is willing to commit the electoral suicide that would result from entering into coalition with them.[/quote]


The recent polls show that the party has 14-16%.Golden Dawn neither has the intention nor the power to create a so-called "third reich".As MP Michail Arvanitis recently said in a interview: "We want Greece's living space, not a single inch more than that"He also criticized classic fascism for not having a blood and soil ideology and Mussolini for trying to create "a multicultural ultrastate just like the Roman Empire was".Also, on the coalition government , Michaloliakos has said numerous times that :"The only party that Golden Dawn is going to cooperate is called Golden Dawn.There isn't going to be a cooperation with any of these traitors."

[Densaner]

You will never have a power hungry tyrant attacking Britain or France again. If they do then eat our mushroom clouds.

He isn't talking about a third world war, but about the possibility of a Radical Right wing state.

And what tends to happen when a radical right wing government comes to power in Europe?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The recent polls show that the party has 14-16%.Golden Dawn neither has the intention nor the power to create a so-called "third reich".As MP Michail Arvanitis recently said in a interview: "We want Greece's living space, not a single inch more than that"He also criticized classic fascism for not having a blood and soil ideology and Mussolini for trying to create "a multicultural ultrastate just like the Roman Empire was".Also, on the coalition government , Michaloliakos has said numerous times that :"The only party that Golden Dawn is going to cooperate is called Golden Dawn.There isn't going to be a cooperation with any of these traitors."

...that doesn't actually disagree with anything I wrote, really.

"Greece's living space" does not necessarily mean "Greece's current borders", just as under Nazism, "Germany's living space" didn't mean, in addition to the bits that currently constitute Germany, "Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia".

Do you have a source on "14-16%"?

[Wilkshire]

It's already here, just a lot more subtle than last time around.

[Souseiseki]

The recent polls show that the party has 14-16%.Golden Dawn neither has the intention nor the power to create a so-called "third reich".As MP Michail Arvanitis recently said in a interview: "We want Greece's living space, not a single inch more than that"He also criticized classic fascism for not having a blood and soil ideology and Mussolini for trying to create "a multicultural ultrastate just like the Roman Empire was".Also, on the coalition government , Michaloliakos has said numerous times that :"The only party that Golden Dawn is going to cooperate is called Golden Dawn.There isn't going to be a cooperation with any of these traitors."

have you ever heard of a little thing called cyprus

[Nidaria]

I am not a violent person, but if such a thing happens I might just go over their to fight for a monarchy.

[Nazis in Space]

Maybe in Israel but in Europe no.

How the fuck would a National Socialist state rise in fucking Israel?

With ease.

Does the state have a strong grip on the Israeli economy? Yup (Although it is slowly, very slowly, lessening).

Do parties in the Knesset and the government support ethnic supremacist viewpoints? Yep.

Do parties in the Knesset and the government support the expansion into new 'Lebensraum'? Yep.

There were Nazis in the actual NSDAP more left-wing than a fair number of modern Israeli politicians (Passing on the notion of expansion into new 'Lebensraum').

National socialism doesn't suddenly become not-national-socialism when you replace 'Displace/ Eliminate Jews' with 'Displace/ Eliminate <Enter Ethnicity Here'.

[Archdemon]

Perhaps.

[Jehuddah]

Do parties in the Knesset and the government support ethnic supremacist viewpoints? Yep.

I wish it was true, but it isn't.

[Souseiseki]

Do parties in the Knesset and the government support ethnic supremacist viewpoints? Yep.

I wish it was true, but it isn't.

(not racist)

[Genivaria]

I wish it was true, but it isn't.

(not racist)

Clearly, honestly wear your hood with pride, don't hide from it.

[Ifreann]

I am not a violent person, but if such a thing happens I might just go over their to fight for a monarchy.

You and what army?

[Ferreosia]

The recent polls show that the party has 14-16%.Golden Dawn neither has the intention nor the power to create a so-called "third reich".As MP Michail Arvanitis recently said in a interview: "We want Greece's living space, not a single inch more than that"He also criticized classic fascism for not having a blood and soil ideology and Mussolini for trying to create "a multicultural ultrastate just like the Roman Empire was".Also, on the coalition government , Michaloliakos has said numerous times that :"The only party that Golden Dawn is going to cooperate is called Golden Dawn.There isn't going to be a cooperation with any of these traitors."

...that doesn't actually disagree with anything I wrote, really.

"Greece's living space" does not necessarily mean "Greece's current borders", just as under Nazism, "Germany's living space" didn't mean, in addition to the bits that currently constitute Germany, "Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia".

Do you have a source on "14-16%"?

I didn't say that i disagree with everything you wrote. Arvanitis explained that a race has no right to invade another country in search for living space and that colonization of foreign land is a form of multiculturalism that it destroys diversity and it is completely alien to modern Greek nationalism .He also condemned the whole white race for colonizing America and for exterminating the native population calling it a crime against humanity.And as i said before he criticized both Mussolini and the Roman Empire.As for the polls.Here's a poll that gives Golden Dawn 14% http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YURp9ZGWk_o ( i don't know if you speak Greek go at 1:41 to see the results).If i find the one that gave Golden Dawn 15.5 i will post it.But keep in mind that the polls aren't accurate.Before the elections the polls gave Golden Dawn 2-2.5% showing that it wouldn't enter parliament and it received 7%.At the second elections again they gave it 2-3% or 5% tops.And it entered parliament with 6.7%.I believe that reason the polls are slightly(?) altered is obvious.The center left-right government coalition didn't want to admit the rapid growth in popularity of a radical nationalist party such as Golden Dawn.Also at 3:30 of the video one of the journalist says that it won't be a surprise if Golden Dawn receives 20% in the next poll!!But i don't want to spread rubbish so i will go with the current numbers (14-16%).

[Choronzon]

Could a state built entirely around xenophobia and nationalism arise in Europe today?

Absolutely.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

...that doesn't actually disagree with anything I wrote, really.

"Greece's living space" does not necessarily mean "Greece's current borders", just as under Nazism, "Germany's living space" didn't mean, in addition to the bits that currently constitute Germany, "Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia".

Do you have a source on "14-16%"?

I didn't say that i disagree with everything you wrote. Arvanitis explained that a race has no right to invade another country in search for living space and that colonization of foreign land is a form of multiculturalism that it destroys diversity and it is completely alien to modern Greek nationalism .He also condemned the whole white race for colonizing America and for exterminating the native population calling it a crime against humanity.And as i said before he criticized both Mussolini and the Roman Empire.As for the polls.Here's a poll that gives Golden Dawn 14% http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YURp9ZGWk_o ( i don't know if you speak Greek go at 1:41 to see the results).If i find the one that gave Golden Dawn 15.5 i will post it.But keep in mind that the polls aren't accurate.Before the elections the polls gave Golden Dawn 2-2.5% showing that it wouldn't enter parliament and it received 7%.At the second elections again they gave it 2-3% or 5% tops.And it entered parliament with 6.7%.I believe that reason the polls are slightly(?) altered is obvious.The center left-right government coalition didn't want to admit the rapid growth in popularity of a radical nationalist party such as Golden Dawn.Also at 3:30 of the video one of the journalist says that it won't be a surprise if Golden Dawn receives 20% in the next poll!!But i don't want to spread rubbish so i will go with the current numbers (14-16%).

That YouTube video is from October of last year.

The Reuters article with the poll giving 10% support comes from the start of this month.

A poll from 8 and a half months ago is not a reliable indicator of current sentiment.

[Vazdania]

I don't think so, UN and NATO forces would be on that country faster than a than a bell clapper in a goose's ass.

[Kalarin]

I think it's entirely possible today in I would say most countries (maybe not N.K well its already one) I think a lot of people kid themselves on not allowing it to happen but then I bet if you asked most Germans they would have said the same. Truth is Hitler told the German people what they wanted to hear and got it done. Like it or not Nazi Germany was one of the few countries who managed to grow during the downturn (others being Stalinist Russia and FDR America). I think if we had another major economic downturn and things got worse extreme ideologies would see more support. Look at the BNP, when the credit crunch first hit they saw a rise in popularity (while it was only small I think it does prove a point) Golden Dawn and other far right groups are seeing growing support across Europe. Similarly the far left (though if someone is willing to correct me please do).

[Jehuddah]

I don't think so, UN and NATO forces would be on that country faster than a than a bell clapper in a goose's ass.

That's where you are wrong my friend.
Do you seriously believe NATO will invade a country for that?
Wow, what the hell did you smoke?!