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Could a modern day dictatorship or Third Reich once rise again Europe?

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:00 pm

Jehuddah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't hate Jews...as long as they're not in Germany.
Completely different right?

Actually Hitler wanted to murder us worldwide, see Wansee records.

I have no doubts about that, I simply find the rhetoric rather familiar, this is how it always starts.
The same rhetoric was often used back in the days when the Klan had power here in the States.
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The Joseon Dynasty
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:01 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Juche isn't a form of Stalinism. I don't quite know what I'd call it, beyond totalitarian crypto-monarchism, but it isn't Stalinism. Particularly as the DPRK officially gave up on Marxism-Leninism a while back.

My mistake. I'm not super well versed in the different "communist" ideologies.


Not to worry. Juche isn't a form of anything. It doesn't really have a form, come to think of it.
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Next Washington
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Postby Next Washington » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:01 pm

I see a very dangerous movement in greece. They also have nazis in their rows, as well as communists....
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Jehuddah
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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:Actually Hitler wanted to murder us worldwide, see Wansee records.

I have no doubts about that, I simply find the rhetoric rather familiar, this is how it always starts.
The same rhetoric was often used back in the days when the Klan had power here in the States.

Like I said, I KNOW an Arab, I also went to a party of his.
I don't hate them personally, but they are a national enemy, and they have to go.
Because in the end, it's or them or us.
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92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
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Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Jehuddah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I have no doubts about that, I simply find the rhetoric rather familiar, this is how it always starts.
The same rhetoric was often used back in the days when the Klan had power here in the States.

Like I said, I KNOW an Arab, I also went to a party of his.
I don't hate them personally, but they are a national enemy, and they have to go.
Because in the end, it's or them or us.

Yeah that's still racist rhetoric. And some Klansmen had black friends. Who'da thunk it?
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:04 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Diopolis wrote:My mistake. I'm not super well versed in the different "communist" ideologies.


Not to worry. Juche isn't a form of anything. It doesn't really have a form, come to think of it.

I stick with labeling North Korea a 'theocratic absolute monarchy'.
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Arglorand
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Not to worry. Juche isn't a form of anything. It doesn't really have a form, come to think of it.

I stick with labeling North Korea a 'theocratic absolute monarchy'.

If not outright feudal.
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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:Like I said, I KNOW an Arab, I also went to a party of his.
I don't hate them personally, but they are a national enemy, and they have to go.
Because in the end, it's or them or us.

Yeah that's still racist rhetoric. And some Klansmen had black friends. Who'da thunk it?

No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
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Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:08 pm

Jehuddah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah that's still racist rhetoric. And some Klansmen had black friends. Who'da thunk it?

No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:08 pm

Jehuddah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah that's still racist rhetoric. And some Klansmen had black friends. Who'da thunk it?

No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

What? Arabs in general? Yes that's racism.
Calling Palestinian militants or extremists 'the enemy' is however NOT racist, yet you chose not to use those words.
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Murray land
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Postby Murray land » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Jehuddah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah that's still racist rhetoric. And some Klansmen had black friends. Who'da thunk it?

No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

That is like saying an Albanian hates a serbia but has a Serbian friend. How does that work?
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Jehuddah
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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

What? Arabs in general? Yes that's racism.
Calling Palestinian militants or extremists 'the enemy' is however NOT racist, yet you chose not to use those words.

They are a demographic enemy, and, nearly 100% are against the Jewish state.
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=241535&p=14484567#p14484567
Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Souseiseki
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Founded: Apr 12, 2012
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

What? Arabs in general? Yes that's racism.
Calling Palestinian militants or extremists 'the enemy' is however NOT racist, yet you chose not to use those words.

if the guy that thinks jews marrying non-jews is genocide and wants to banish all the people of the ethnicity he doesn't like p.s. ethiopian jews aren't real jews like me won't just admit he's racist one does need to question exactly how much time you're willing to dedicate to the matter before you just give up
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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:12 pm

Next Washington wrote:I see a very dangerous movement in greece. They also have nazis in their rows, as well as communists....


The neo-Nazis in Greece are not a significant electoral force, and neither are the Stalinists.
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Jehuddah
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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:13 pm

Murray land wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

That is like saying an Albanian hates a serbia but has a Serbian friend. How does that work?

No, the Arab isn't my friend, but not a personal enemy either.
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=241535&p=14484567#p14484567
Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Even in Hungary and Greece, the only countries with popular neo-Nazi parties, the neo-Nazis are around 15% in the polls, and realistically would need 40% to govern. This is very unlikely and, even if it were to happen, would not lead to anything comparable to the Third Reich, since neither Greece nor Hungary has anything like the capability to dominate its neighbours that Germany had in the 1930s. Though I could see one of the right-wing-populist parties getting in power somewhere, the neo-Nazis are not a major threat.
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Murray land
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Postby Murray land » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:17 pm

Jehuddah wrote:
Murray land wrote:That is like saying an Albanian hates a serbia but has a Serbian friend. How does that work?

No, the Arab isn't my friend, but not a personal enemy either.

Ok I get it. Would you not hate them if they weren't anti Israel?
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Next Washington
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Postby Next Washington » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:17 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Next Washington wrote:I see a very dangerous movement in greece. They also have nazis in their rows, as well as communists....


The neo-Nazis in Greece are not a significant electoral force, and neither are the Stalinists.


Well Syriza is quite often in the media...

And I wouldn't call their current government very stable... would you agree with that?
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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:19 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
The neo-Nazis in Greece are not a significant electoral force, and neither are the Stalinists.


Well Syriza is quite often in the media...

And I wouldn't call their current government very stable... would you agree with that?


SYRIZA aren't communists. Socialists, yes, communists not so much. Some of their constituent groups may be, but not the whole.

It's not hugely stable, no, although it appears to be getting a little more so.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Not to worry. Juche isn't a form of anything. It doesn't really have a form, come to think of it.

I stick with labeling North Korea a 'theocratic absolute monarchy'.


Time for some NK. propaganda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1LOaV68kc

Seriously, read somewhere that NK. has changed from a communist nation to a family type of dictatorship with communist trimmings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_dictatorship
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:19 pm

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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:20 pm

Sure, in Wolfenstein: The New Order. Otherwise, no not likely. I think the population today are too well armed, both with available knowledge and weaponry alike, to allow for such a thing to happen again. More then likely, in my honest opinion, we're more likely to have an Anarchic society because of this.
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Postby Thaipursia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:21 pm

The thing about dictatorships, is that they can arise out of any society, albeit some have a stronger matrix than others for a real "third reich" to blossom. Even a stable democracy like India, had a brief flirtation when Mdm Indira Gandhi imposed martial law on the country. maybe she is not the best example, but, she was able to suspend civil liberties in India for a time, Napoleon III became dictator cum emperor of France ending the Second Republic. All a government really needs is a "national security" excuse, with a healthy dose of nationalism, to upend any sense of individual rights.

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Postby Next Washington » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:22 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
Well Syriza is quite often in the media...

And I wouldn't call their current government very stable... would you agree with that?


SYRIZA aren't communists. Socialists, yes, communists not so much. Some of their constituent groups may be, but not the whole.

It's not hugely stable, no, although it appears to be getting a little more so.


Syriza are, in my view, those sort of neo-politicians no country should have in its government. Besides yelling at the current politicians and only critizising their politics without any solutions that a modern democracy wouldn't take for real these people will do a far worse job than the current one [again, my opninion].
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:24 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:No it's not.
I don't hate them whenever they exist, but they ARE an enemy of mine as long as they are in my land.

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