Do you think that a Modern day Third Reich could happen?

[Ferreosia]

I didn't say that i disagree with everything you wrote. Arvanitis explained that a race has no right to invade another country in search for living space and that colonization of foreign land is a form of multiculturalism that it destroys diversity and it is completely alien to modern Greek nationalism .He also condemned the whole white race for colonizing America and for exterminating the native population calling it a crime against humanity.And as i said before he criticized both Mussolini and the Roman Empire.As for the polls.Here's a poll that gives Golden Dawn 14% http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YURp9ZGWk_o ( i don't know if you speak Greek go at 1:41 to see the results).If i find the one that gave Golden Dawn 15.5 i will post it.But keep in mind that the polls aren't accurate.Before the elections the polls gave Golden Dawn 2-2.5% showing that it wouldn't enter parliament and it received 7%.At the second elections again they gave it 2-3% or 5% tops.And it entered parliament with 6.7%.I believe that reason the polls are slightly(?) altered is obvious.The center left-right government coalition didn't want to admit the rapid growth in popularity of a radical nationalist party such as Golden Dawn.Also at 3:30 of the video one of the journalist says that it won't be a surprise if Golden Dawn receives 20% in the next poll!!But i don't want to spread rubbish so i will go with the current numbers (14-16%).

That YouTube video is from October of last year.

The Reuters article with the poll giving 10% support comes from the start of this month.

A poll from 8 and a half months ago is not a reliable indicator of current sentiment.

As far as i can see in Greek society there's a growth in support of Golden Dawn. Here is one that gives it 13.8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWAR2A8MC-A As i said before keep in mind that the polls are slightly altered.But even if the results were accurate and that Golden Dawn had, lets say, not even 13 but 10%.Is a 3% growth in support in only one year a bad thing?Of course not.And even with 10% it's still the third party in Greece.

[Vazdania]

I don't think so, UN and NATO forces would be on that country faster than a than a bell clapper in a goose's ass.

That's where you are wrong my friend.
Do you seriously believe NATO will invade a country for that?
Wow, what the hell did you smoke?!

Nothing, I don't smoke...I'm a temple for the holy Spirit and all that

[Souseiseki]

...that doesn't actually disagree with anything I wrote, really.

"Greece's living space" does not necessarily mean "Greece's current borders", just as under Nazism, "Germany's living space" didn't mean, in addition to the bits that currently constitute Germany, "Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia".

Do you have a source on "14-16%"?

I didn't say that i disagree with everything you wrote. Arvanitis explained that a race has no right to invade another country in search for living space and that colonization of foreign land is a form of multiculturalism that it destroys diversity and it is completely alien to modern Greek nationalism .He also condemned the whole white race for colonizing America and for exterminating the native population calling it a crime against humanity.And as i said before he criticized both Mussolini and the Roman Empire.As for the polls.Here's a poll that gives Golden Dawn 14% http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YURp9ZGWk_o ( i don't know if you speak Greek go at 1:41 to see the results).If i find the one that gave Golden Dawn 15.5 i will post it.But keep in mind that the polls aren't accurate.Before the elections the polls gave Golden Dawn 2-2.5% showing that it wouldn't enter parliament and it received 7%.At the second elections again they gave it 2-3% or 5% tops.And it entered parliament with 6.7%.I believe that reason the polls are slightly(?) altered is obvious.The center left-right government coalition didn't want to admit the rapid growth in popularity of a radical nationalist party such as Golden Dawn.Also at 3:30 of the video one of the journalist says that it won't be a surprise if Golden Dawn receives 20% in the next poll!!But i don't want to spread rubbish so i will go with the current numbers (14-16%).

hello please put at least 1 (one) space after your full stops and make use of paragraphs lest your posts become an unreadable mess thank you

[Genivaria]

I don't think so, UN and NATO forces would be on that country faster than a than a bell clapper in a goose's ass.

That's where you are wrong my friend.
Do you seriously believe NATO will invade a country for that?
Wow, what the hell did you smoke?!

A government engaging in growing militarism, xenophobia, jingoism, and ethnic nationalism would very much be a concern of the European NATO members.

[Vazdania]

That's where you are wrong my friend.
Do you seriously believe NATO will invade a country for that?
Wow, what the hell did you smoke?!

A government engaging in growing militarism, xenophobia, jingoism, and ethnic nationalism would very much be a concern of the European NATO members.

Gen has a similar opinion as me??? MUST CHANGE STANCE.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I don't think so, UN and NATO forces would be on that country faster than a than a bell clapper in a goose's ass.

That's where you are wrong my friend.
Do you seriously believe NATO will invade a country for that?
Wow, what the hell did you smoke?!

Do remind me what happened to Serbia when it tried the whole "irredentist crusade anti-self-determination let's invade all our neighbours" thing, in the end.

[Genivaria]

A government engaging in growing militarism, xenophobia, jingoism, and ethnic nationalism would very much be a concern of the European NATO members.

Gen has a similar opinion as me??? MUST CHANGE STANCE.

I merely am not an appeasing fool.
When an authoritarian government starts preaching jingoism and all reports say they are gearing up for a war then it is only wise to nip it in the bud.

[Ferreosia]

I didn't say that i disagree with everything you wrote. Arvanitis explained that a race has no right to invade another country in search for living space and that colonization of foreign land is a form of multiculturalism that it destroys diversity and it is completely alien to modern Greek nationalism .He also condemned the whole white race for colonizing America and for exterminating the native population calling it a crime against humanity.And as i said before he criticized both Mussolini and the Roman Empire.As for the polls.Here's a poll that gives Golden Dawn 14% http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YURp9ZGWk_o ( i don't know if you speak Greek go at 1:41 to see the results).If i find the one that gave Golden Dawn 15.5 i will post it.But keep in mind that the polls aren't accurate.Before the elections the polls gave Golden Dawn 2-2.5% showing that it wouldn't enter parliament and it received 7%.At the second elections again they gave it 2-3% or 5% tops.And it entered parliament with 6.7%.I believe that reason the polls are slightly(?) altered is obvious.The center left-right government coalition didn't want to admit the rapid growth in popularity of a radical nationalist party such as Golden Dawn.Also at 3:30 of the video one of the journalist says that it won't be a surprise if Golden Dawn receives 20% in the next poll!!But i don't want to spread rubbish so i will go with the current numbers (14-16%).

hello please put at least 1 (one) space after your full stops and make use of paragraphs lest your posts become an unreadable mess thank you

Sorry for that, i haven't written in English for a long time.

[Arcadonisia]

I believe something quite similar could come to power in the years to come. I don't think it would happen soon, but I wouldn't rule it out just yet.

[Ainin]

No.

[Prizea]

So? I don't seem to understand your connection.

You will never have a power hungry tyrant attacking Britain or France again. If they do then eat our mushroom clouds.

And that was exactly what I was going to say...

[Temujinn]

Yes absolutely, people fell for it once, nothing is new under the sun. There is no logical reason to believe it couldnt happen again, just with slightly different execution.

[Frisivisia]

No, because the Third Reich already happened.

[Benuty]

Not likely could such fervor the Nazi's had in the 1930s to back their cause could happen again.

[Cameroi]

if karl rove and the coch brothers have their way, america will become that modern day third reich.
the bush dynasty who were rove's puppets pushed that agenda, as did, at that time, an organization called people for the new american century.
the american legislative exchange council, a corporate chamber of commerce group that drafts proposed legislation at the state level is also pushing very had in that direction,
and all of these pseudo-conservative organizations, with their wealthy backing of organized corporate crime, are very difficult and costly in terms of self sacrafice, to oppose.

[Uieurnthlaal]

So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs? The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls. Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory. For the people are upset and want radical Change. I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic

Movie link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)

France? No way. The only reason that the far right gets any significant amount of votes is that france has a many-party system, which allows people to express their full range of ideologies, unlike the US, where voters are trapped with two parties. Greece, however, only narrowly avoided a far right movement taking power. Fortunately, they're on a decline. If you've been to Europe, you'll know that even the most suffering of the countries still are stable enough to resist a far-right takeover.

[Cameroi]

the real threat isn't from some rogue third world nation, but from the power of organized corporate crime in the u.s., to turn the u.s. into what hitler could only have wet dreams about.

[Grave_n_idle]

So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs? The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls. Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory. For the people are upset and want radical Change. I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic

Movie link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)

A new Third Reich? No.

Something like it? Sure. Given sufficient time, it's pretty much inevitable.

Probably in America, though. Their politics have been drifting further and further to the extreme right for decades.

[Angleter]

The recent polls show that the party has 14-16%.Golden Dawn neither has the intention nor the power to create a so-called "third reich".As MP Michail Arvanitis recently said in a interview: "We want Greece's living space, not a single inch more than that"He also criticized classic fascism for not having a blood and soil ideology and Mussolini for trying to create "a multicultural ultrastate just like the Roman Empire was".Also, on the coalition government , Michaloliakos has said numerous times that :"The only party that Golden Dawn is going to cooperate is called Golden Dawn.There isn't going to be a cooperation with any of these traitors."

...that doesn't actually disagree with anything I wrote, really.

"Greece's living space" does not necessarily mean "Greece's current borders", just as under Nazism, "Germany's living space" didn't mean, in addition to the bits that currently constitute Germany, "Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia".

Do you have a source on "14-16%"?

They're anywhere between 10% and 17%, depending on which pollster you go by.

[Valkalan]

Economic hardship and large-scale foreign immigration may result in a resurgence of fascist thinking. However, the lessons of history may result in more moderate approaches to a dynamic world. I don't know for sure. All I know is that the sandwich I'm eating right now is absolutely delicious.

[BlackSylvania]

I think that America is basically a modern Roman Empire.

[The Overpowered Nations]

I think if you could convince all the people or almost all of the people in a country about your right wing, capitalist policies, then you can have a fascist government that will last for a certain amount of time. If you could convince all the people or almost all of the people in a country about your left wing, communist (pure communism) policies though and be a fair, peaceful dictator, then you can have a fascist government that may last to the end of time.

[Quintium]

It's always the radical right people seem to fear, even though we're allowing millions of people to settle here who have the values and cultural backgrounds of countries like Somalia, Uganda, Morocco, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria. Personally, as a Western European, I think many people make a terrible estimation of the radical right here, and seem to prefer an option that's abysmal because the radical right is made to seem scary to them.

What's called "radical" here is the notion that people should adjust to our way of life instead of calling for our extermination, or that we shouldn't fund salafi mosques, or that we shouldn't send billions and billions of dollars abroad to keep regimes like Mursi's afloat. What's called "radical" here is the notion that we should be able to deport criminal foreigners after they've served their sentence instead of offering them everything short of our firstborn children.

[Quintium]

The Golden Dawn's support hovers around 10%.

Which should be worrying, because they're several shades worse than other far-right parties anywhere in Europe. It should be worrying that 10% of the Greek population seems to support a party that resorts to violence on a regular basis, has many prominent members openly denying the Holocaust, and partakes in various forms of crime.

Le Pen is still way behind Sarkozy in the polls.

She's growing stronger than anyone thought possible just a year ago, though. She's quite a bit more popular than the current President of France, and like more parties on what they call the "radical right", she's set for much more electoral gain in the future. Meanwhile, she's a strong proponent of monoculturalism, she supports the death penalty, she opposes gay marriage and abortion, and she's an isolationist. Must be one hell of a shock for Americans who thought Europe was a progressive, left-wing place.

[Coccygia]

I think that America is basically a modern Roman Empire.

Pfft. If only we were that good...