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Do you think that a Modern day Third Reich could happen?

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Could a modern day dictatorship or Third Reich once rise again Europe?

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American Pride
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Do you think that a Modern day Third Reich could happen?

Postby American Pride » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:00 am

So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs? The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls. Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory. For the people are upset and want radical Change. I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic

Movie link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:03 am

No, it'd be the fifth I think.

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Postby American Pride » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:04 am

I know it would no be the third but the question is could one similar arise in Europe

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Postby Forster Keys » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:05 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:05 am

American Pride wrote:I know it would no be the third but the question is could one similar arise in Europe

You mean a fascist dictatorship?
Sure.
My money is on one of the Balkan countries.
One of the actually powerful nations doing it? Not a chance.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:06 am

No it couldn't, I think Europe has learned it's lesson about trusting Fascists.
That's why the BNP is so hated in the UK.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:06 am

American Pride wrote:So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs?


The Golden Dawn's support hovers around 10%.

They have not been involved in a coalition and no major party in Greece is willing to commit the electoral suicide that would result from entering into coalition with them.

Hitler and other "far-right" leaders also came into being in the face of the massive scary danger of the Soviet Union.

That state does not exist now.

The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls.


Le Pen is still way behind Sarkozy in the polls.

Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory.


False.

For the people are upset and want radical Change.


False.

I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic


Neo-Nazis have never ruled before. They're new. It's in the bloody name.

The only country in Europe in which I can really conceive things actually sliding into full-on dictatorship is Hungary, and that'd be a stretch.

Do you live in Europe?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:09 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
American Pride wrote:So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs?


The Golden Dawn's support hovers around 10%.

They have not been involved in a coalition and no major party in Greece is willing to commit the electoral suicide that would result from entering into coalition with them.

Hitler and other "far-right" leaders also came into being in the face of the massive scary danger of the Soviet Union.

That state does not exist now.

The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls.


Le Pen is still way behind Sarkozy in the polls.

Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory.


False.

For the people are upset and want radical Change.


False.

I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic


Neo-Nazis have never ruled before. They're new. It's in the bloody name.

The only country in Europe in which I can really conceive things actually sliding into full-on dictatorship is Hungary, and that'd be a stretch.

Do you live in Europe?

I think this is just a fantasy on OP's part.

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Postby American Pride » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:10 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
American Pride wrote:So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs?


The Golden Dawn's support hovers around 10%.

They have not been involved in a coalition and no major party in Greece is willing to commit the electoral suicide that would result from entering into coalition with them.

Hitler and other "far-right" leaders also came into being in the face of the massive scary danger of the Soviet Union.

That state does not exist now.


Actually Golden Dawn are now polling in third place for next years elections learn you facts http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... econd.html

For France read this http://www.thelocal.fr/20130605/far-rig ... ch-parties

The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls.


Le Pen is still way behind Sarkozy in the polls.

Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory.


False.

For the people are upset and want radical Change.


False.

I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic


Neo-Nazis have never ruled before. They're new. It's in the bloody name.

The only country in Europe in which I can really conceive things actually sliding into full-on dictatorship is Hungary, and that'd be a stretch.

Do you live in Europe?

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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:11 am

Is it possible? Yes.
Will it happen? I don't know.
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=241535&p=14484567#p14484567
Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Postby American Pride » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:14 am

Jehuddah wrote:Is it possible? Yes.
Will it happen? I don't know.
But maybe I say that because I'm a radical right-wing myself.



What political Party are you in? or associate with?

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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:14 am

American Pride wrote:
Jehuddah wrote:Is it possible? Yes.
Will it happen? I don't know.
But maybe I say that because I'm a radical right-wing myself.



What political Party are you in? or associate with?

Otzma Leyisrael, a party in favor of banishing the Arabs from Israel.
I'm not from Europe, but from Israel.
Although, Europeans and Jews have the same enemies: Africans and Arabs, mostly Muslims in their religion.
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=241535&p=14484567#p14484567
Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:15 am

Obama's America. *nods*
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:15 am

Maybe the fascists could all move to Liechenstein and we'd let them have it.
Then they can build a wall to keep the non-whites out
and we can build a wall to keep the fascists in.
Everybody wins.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby American Pride » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:16 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Obama's America. *nods*




Lol

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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:17 am

Maybe not in Germany, with the memories there.

But elsewhere? Sure. You need resources, capacity, organization, and public angst and uncertainty.

It could happen in the US; don't laugh.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:18 am

American Pride wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
The Golden Dawn's support hovers around 10%.

They have not been involved in a coalition and no major party in Greece is willing to commit the electoral suicide that would result from entering into coalition with them.

Hitler and other "far-right" leaders also came into being in the face of the massive scary danger of the Soviet Union.

That state does not exist now.


Actually Golden Dawn are now polling in third place for next years elections learn you facts http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... econd.html


Learn yours. I'll consider Reuters a better source than a random blog on the issue, personally, and they give SYRIZA around 20% and GD around 10.



That's about European elections. Not Presidential elections where, like I've said, Le Pen trails behind a potential Sarkozy.

You haven't actually responded to anything else I've written.
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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:18 am

Pope Joan wrote:Maybe not in Germany, with the memories there.

But elsewhere? Sure. You need resources, capacity, organization, and public angst and uncertainty.

It could happen in the US; don't laugh.

Greece is a possibily, although I hate them because they are antisemitic. (I'm alright and even support European non-antisemitic far-right like the one of Geert Wilders for example)
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=241535&p=14484567#p14484567
Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:19 am

You need to get your facts straight. Almost everything in the OP is literally 100% wrong. I am a Fascist, and there are probably a lot of Fascists in Europe, but almost everyone in Europe is universally opposed to National Socialism and in Germany anything to do with National Socialism is banned.
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Postby Benomia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:22 am

American Pride wrote:So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs? The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls. Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory. For the people are upset and want radical Change. I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic

Movie link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)


Interesting that you linked to the movie as opposed to the actual experiment it was based on.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:22 am

I expect a 4th Reich, when Germany gets tired of bailing everyone else out they will march over Europe and declare it theirs. The US will sit the matter out in exchange for a debt cancellation.
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Postby Jehuddah » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:23 am

greed and death wrote:I expect a 4th Reich, when Germany gets tired of bailing everyone else out they will march over Europe and declare it theirs. The US will sit the matter out in exchange for a debt cancellation.

There's already a 4th Reich.... the EU ;)
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Political test:
91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric

The Nationalist Militarist Party Headquarters:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=241535&p=14484567#p14484567
Likes: Revisionist Zionism, Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Greater Israel, Cultural conservatism, Population transfer of the Arabs, Cultural isolationism, Militarism, Strong government
Dislikes: Antisemitism, Anti Zionism, Anti-nationalism, civic nationalism, "Two states for two peoples", Bi-National solution, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:25 am

Nah, we generally put Nazis in prison these days.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:25 am

Benomia wrote:
American Pride wrote:So people of Nation states i always like discussing this topic. Could a Modern day third Reich or a modern Day Roman empire take place? Most people automatically Assume heavens no. But why History does often repeat itself. Remember when Hitler took over Germany. They were suffering in a depression and he promised Hope. The people were fearful and looking for a new leader. Personally i think that a Roman empire or a modern Day third Reich could once again take place. Like have you noticed in Greece they are electing Neo-Naizs? The same in France their Radical Right party are soaring the polls. Europe right now is a far right-wing laboratory. For the people are upset and want radical Change. I believe that In the next 10 years Fascists or Neo-Nazis will once rule again In Europe. Also this movie also Shined a good light on this iffy and debate filled topic

Movie link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)


Interesting that you linked to the movie as opposed to the actual experiment it was based on.

Imagine if he had not terminated that experiment and it continued to spread.

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Postby Forster Keys » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:30 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
American Pride wrote:
Actually Golden Dawn are now polling in third place for next years elections learn you facts http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2013/0 ... econd.html


Learn yours. I'll consider Reuters a better source than a random blog on the issue, personally, and they give SYRIZA around 20% and GD around 10.



That's about European elections. Not Presidential elections where, like I've said, Le Pen trails behind a potential Sarkozy.

You haven't actually responded to anything else I've written.


Indeed, the far left are far stronger than the far right in Greece.
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