US Gun Control (Yes, again).

[Surfistan]

If you outlaw pants only outlaws will have pants,
see how ridiculous that looks?

[Grave_n_idle]

You say that, but what if someone was going for a Tosca thing and swapped the prop for a real...*checks*...vaguely AK looking thing with a drum mag to trick Feinstein into mowing down the audience.

I can't actually bring myself to say 'it would be a laugh', when the subject is a(n accidental) massacre, but it would certainly be interesting.

[Agritum]

Some interesting reports

[Ifreann]

You say that, but what if someone was going for a Tosca thing and swapped the prop for a real...*checks*...vaguely AK looking thing with a drum mag to trick Feinstein into mowing down the audience.

I can't actually bring myself to say 'it would be a laugh', when the subject is a(n accidental) massacre, but it would certainly be interesting.

It'd be a bit of a "Hahaha....oooh" situation.

[Uieurnthlaal]

Some interesting reports

Yes, I see. Among the developed countries, the US both has by far the highest proportion of guns, and the highest crime rate per capita. No surprise there.

[Uieurnthlaal]

If you outlaw pants only outlaws will have pants,
see how ridiculous that looks?

Same thing with drugs. Yet we still have drug laws, don't we? You think that that's a false equivalency? How about this:

If you outlaw drugs only outlaws will have drugs,
see how ridiculous that looks?

[Agritum]

Some interesting reports

Yes, I see. Among the developed countries, the US both has by far the highest proportion of guns, and the highest crime rate per capita. No surprise there.

Anways, the firearms part of the other report is at page 322.

And fuck, the gun-related deaths in the USA are enormous.

[Surfistan]

If you outlaw pants only outlaws will have pants,
see how ridiculous that looks?

Same thing with drugs. Yet we still have drug laws, don't we? You think that that's a false equivalency? How about this:

If you outlaw drugs only outlaws will have drugs,
see how ridiculous that looks?

Well, weither or not I own a gun, doesn't make me anymore safer is what I meant.
If everyone in the neighbourhood would own a gun it wouldn't make me safer, quite the contrary so even if I by miracle would live in the US and if by miracle guns were abolished chances are "not only outlaws" would have guns, there would be a great proportion of reasonably law abiding citizens (except for that one thing then) that own guns.

I'm pro-regulation, and heavy regulation for that matter, but abolishing them in the US?
Near impossible.

[Choronzon]

Yes, I see. Among the developed countries, the US both has by far the highest proportion of guns, and the highest crime rate per capita. No surprise there.

Anways, the firearms part of the other report is at page 322.

And fuck, the gun-related deaths in the USA are enormous.

Obviously more guns would solve that problem!

[Grave_n_idle]

Anways, the firearms part of the other report is at page 322.

And fuck, the gun-related deaths in the USA are enormous.

Obviously more guns would solve that problem!

If you legalise guns, only... legals... um. The wording needs some work.

[Surfistan]

Obviously more guns would solve that problem!

If you legalise guns, only... legals... um. The wording needs some work.

Mexicans will cross the border an tek ur jubs.
"Der tekking ur jubs"

[Uieurnthlaal]

Same thing with drugs. Yet we still have drug laws, don't we? You think that that's a false equivalency? How about this:

If you outlaw drugs only outlaws will have drugs,
see how ridiculous that looks?

Well, weither or not I own a gun, doesn't make me anymore safer is what I meant.
If everyone in the neighbourhood would own a gun it wouldn't make me safer, quite the contrary so even if I by miracle would live in the US and if by miracle guns were abolished chances are "not only outlaws" would have guns, there would be a great proportion of reasonably law abiding citizens (except for that one thing then) that own guns.

I'm pro-regulation, and heavy regulation for that matter, but abolishing them in the US?
Near impossible.

Gun buyback? We could cut the number of guns down enormously, and even if there are still some guns, there will be far fewer.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Well, weither or not I own a gun, doesn't make me anymore safer is what I meant.
If everyone in the neighbourhood would own a gun it wouldn't make me safer, quite the contrary so even if I by miracle would live in the US and if by miracle guns were abolished chances are "not only outlaws" would have guns, there would be a great proportion of reasonably law abiding citizens (except for that one thing then) that own guns.

I'm pro-regulation, and heavy regulation for that matter, but abolishing them in the US?
Near impossible.

Gun buyback? We could cut the number of guns down enormously, and even if there are still some guns, there will be far fewer.

Too many guns in circulation for a buyback to be economically feasible with rewards high enough to incentivize their sale. Why would I turn in an AR-15 for a $100 gift card when I can sell it to someone (or trade it in) for values ranging from $500 to $1500? All such a buyback would do is trick old ladies and the uneducated who inherited firearms or came by them in other uninterested ways to give them up for much less than the market value because of their feelings. Even then, such a buyback can still be used by firearms-owners uninterested in the 'spirit' of the buyback for other purposes.

Of course, that's not even touching on the major problem of gun buybacks being able to be used as a dumping ground for firearms used in unsolved crimes. Since the guns are destroyed (in most states) they very well could be destroying evidence in an as-yet unopened or not-fully-investigated crime.

Edit: Also, from the Detroit article they (probably) burned a German Mauser .

[Surfistan]

Well, weither or not I own a gun, doesn't make me anymore safer is what I meant.
If everyone in the neighbourhood would own a gun it wouldn't make me safer, quite the contrary so even if I by miracle would live in the US and if by miracle guns were abolished chances are "not only outlaws" would have guns, there would be a great proportion of reasonably law abiding citizens (except for that one thing then) that own guns.

I'm pro-regulation, and heavy regulation for that matter, but abolishing them in the US?
Near impossible.

Gun buyback? We could cut the number of guns down enormously, and even if there are still some guns, there will be far fewer.

I have it.

Tax guns, according to calibre and amount

2 birds, 1 stone.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Well, weither or not I own a gun, doesn't make me anymore safer is what I meant.
If everyone in the neighbourhood would own a gun it wouldn't make me safer, quite the contrary so even if I by miracle would live in the US and if by miracle guns were abolished chances are "not only outlaws" would have guns, there would be a great proportion of reasonably law abiding citizens (except for that one thing then) that own guns.

I'm pro-regulation, and heavy regulation for that matter, but abolishing them in the US?
Near impossible.

Gun buyback? We could cut the number of guns down enormously, and even if there are still some guns, there will be far fewer.

I tried to participate in a gun buyback with a .22 starter pistol (that I picked up for $25), but apparently it didn't qualify for the $100 incentive for a pistol. The officer said it was because it wasn't a "real" firearm (even though I had to fill out all the same forms for it and go through a background check).

[Uieurnthlaal]

Gun buyback? We could cut the number of guns down enormously, and even if there are still some guns, there will be far fewer.

Too many guns in circulation for a buyback to be economically feasible with rewards high enough to incentivize their sale. Why would I turn in an AR-15 for a $100 gift card when I can sell it to someone (or trade it in) for values ranging from $500 to $1500? All such a buyback would do is trick old ladies and the uneducated who inherited firearms or came by them in other uninterested ways to give them up for much less than the market value because of their feelings. Even then, such a buyback can still be used by firearms-owners uninterested in the 'spirit' of the buyback for other purposes.

Of course, that's not even touching on the major problem of gun buybacks being able to be used as a dumping ground for firearms used in unsolved crimes. Since the guns are destroyed (in most states) they very well could be destroying evidence in an as-yet unopened or not-fully-investigated crime.

Edit: Also, from the Detroit article they (probably) burned a German Mauser .

How about a mandatory gun buyback?

[Republica Newland]

If you outlaw pants only outlaws will have pants,
see how ridiculous that looks?

Same thing with drugs. Yet we still have drug laws, don't we? You think that that's a false equivalency? How about this:

If you outlaw drugs only outlaws will have drugs,
see how ridiculous that looks?

Drugs are probably the worst example one could give, and yet you gave it. The laws shouldn't be there or at least not in their current form. The only thing drug laws accomplish, the way they are now, is the same thing the Prohibition accomplished, which is nothing other than propagating crime. The single most devastating aspect about drugs for drug users and addicts is their illegality. Because drugs are illegal, people put themselves at risk to supply them. What this results in is a (very) high price and poor quality. The high price leads users and addicts to commit infractions to support their drug habit or addiction ; the poor quality results in damaged health. It is all a vicious circle.

"Faces of Meth" is bullshit. What you see is the effect of all of the contaminants ( resulting from the chemical reactions themselves or otherwise simply chemicals that have not reacted completely ). Pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine would not do that to anyone. I'm not even endorsing meth heads, what I am trying to show here is that the war on drugs is complete bullcrap and legalization would greatly alleviate the US' (and other countries' ) drug problem.

Just take a look at Portugal.

Sorry for going off topic, I just RAGE when someone gives drug legislation as a positive example

[Republica Newland]

Too many guns in circulation for a buyback to be economically feasible with rewards high enough to incentivize their sale. Why would I turn in an AR-15 for a $100 gift card when I can sell it to someone (or trade it in) for values ranging from $500 to $1500? All such a buyback would do is trick old ladies and the uneducated who inherited firearms or came by them in other uninterested ways to give them up for much less than the market value because of their feelings. Even then, such a buyback can still be used by firearms-owners uninterested in the 'spirit' of the buyback for other purposes.

Of course, that's not even touching on the major problem of gun buybacks being able to be used as a dumping ground for firearms used in unsolved crimes. Since the guns are destroyed (in most states) they very well could be destroying evidence in an as-yet unopened or not-fully-investigated crime.

Edit: Also, from the Detroit article they (probably) burned a German Mauser .

How about a mandatory gun buyback?

WTF? Nazi Germany much?

EDIT:

*bangs on door*
- Who is it, honey?
- Don't know, wait just a sec *approaches door*
*door is broken ; a dozen heavily armed men enter*
- FEDERAL AGENTS! GET THE FUCK DOWN! NOW!!!
*screams*
- Jesus Christ please don't shoot me!
- WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GUNS?
- There's a .22 under my bed a-
- ALL OF THEM MUTHERFUCKER!*points rifle at head*
- OK OK just don't shoot me! There's also a 12 ga in the closet
*feds storm house ; take guns*
- OK.. Here we have a .22 *laughs* da fuck is this? What you shoot this at, fucking insects? Gaddam amateurs. And the 12 ga. Is that a bipod? Fucking mall ninja. Ok, that'll be 50 bucks for the .22 and 100 for the 12 ga.
- I don't want your money!!! Just leave! Please! *cries*
- I SAID TAKE IT BITCH! YOU WANNA DO THIS THE HARD WAY?!
- I'll TAKE IT! I WILL! JUST PLEASE STOP POINTING THAT GUN AT MY HEAD!
- There we go.. just sign here. So what's it gonna be? Cash or card?

*end story*

[Gun Manufacturers]

Too many guns in circulation for a buyback to be economically feasible with rewards high enough to incentivize their sale. Why would I turn in an AR-15 for a $100 gift card when I can sell it to someone (or trade it in) for values ranging from $500 to $1500? All such a buyback would do is trick old ladies and the uneducated who inherited firearms or came by them in other uninterested ways to give them up for much less than the market value because of their feelings. Even then, such a buyback can still be used by firearms-owners uninterested in the 'spirit' of the buyback for other purposes.

Of course, that's not even touching on the major problem of gun buybacks being able to be used as a dumping ground for firearms used in unsolved crimes. Since the guns are destroyed (in most states) they very well could be destroying evidence in an as-yet unopened or not-fully-investigated crime.

Edit: Also, from the Detroit article they (probably) burned a German Mauser .

How about a mandatory gun buyback?

How the hell do you expect the government to pay fair market value for all the firearms in circulation? The debt is out of control, a mandatory firearms buyback would push the US government way past any debt ceiling.

[Uieurnthlaal]

How about a mandatory gun buyback?

WTF? Nazi Germany much?

If I had a nickel every time I heard that...
So let me guess, Australia, Japan, and most of the developed world, are all Nazi-facsimiles?

[Uieurnthlaal]

How about a mandatory gun buyback?

How the hell do you expect the government to pay fair market value for all the firearms in circulation? The debt is out of control, a mandatory firearms buyback would push the US government way past any debt ceiling.

Not unless they pay ten thousand dollars for each gun. If the US gov gives back an average of $100 for each gun, and takes back 3/4's of all guns, than the US government must pay fifteen billion dollars. That's 0.5% of our yearly budget, and 0.1% of our debt. And, the extra hundred dollars people have will stimulate the economy because of increased spending, paying off anyway.

[Republica Newland]

WTF? Nazi Germany much?

If I had a nickel every time I heard that...
So let me guess, Australia, Japan, and most of the developed world, are all Nazi-facsimiles?

Please read my post again

And the answer would be.. well.. yes.

[Uieurnthlaal]

How about a mandatory gun buyback?

WTF? Nazi Germany much?

EDIT:

*bangs on door*
- Who is it, honey?
- Don't know, wait just a sec *approaches door*
*door is broken ; a dozen heavily armed men enter*
- FEDERAL AGENTS! GET THE FUCK DOWN! NOW!!!
*screams*
- Jesus Christ please don't shoot me!
- WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GUNS?
- There's a .22 under my bed a-
- ALL OF THEM MUTHERFUCKER!*points rifle at head*
- OK OK just don't shoot me! There's also a 12 ga in the closet
*feds storm house ; take guns*
- OK.. Here we have a .22 *laughs* da fuck is this? What you shoot this at, fucking insects? Gaddam amateurs. And the 12 ga. Is that a bipod? Fucking mall ninja. Ok, that'll be 50 bucks for the .22 and 100 for the 12 ga.
- I don't want your money!!! Just leave! Please! *cries*
- I SAID TAKE IT BITCH! YOU WANNA DO THIS THE HARD WAY?!
- I'll TAKE IT! I WILL! JUST PLEASE STOP POINTING THAT GUN AT MY HEAD!
- There we go.. just sign here. So what's it gonna be? Cash or card?

*end story*

You do have a flair for the dramatic, don't you? That might make a nice movie storyline, but it's wildly unrealistic when it comes to, you know, reality.

[Uieurnthlaal]

If I had a nickel every time I heard that...
So let me guess, Australia, Japan, and most of the developed world, are all Nazi-facsimiles?

Please read my post again

And the answer would be.. well.. yes.

You are insular, aren't you. When's the last time you've been out of the US?

[Republica Newland]

WTF? Nazi Germany much?

EDIT:

*bangs on door*
- Who is it, honey?
- Don't know, wait just a sec *approaches door*
*door is broken ; a dozen heavily armed men enter*
- FEDERAL AGENTS! GET THE FUCK DOWN! NOW!!!
*screams*
- Jesus Christ please don't shoot me!
- WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GUNS?
- There's a .22 under my bed a-
- ALL OF THEM MUTHERFUCKER!*points rifle at head*
- OK OK just don't shoot me! There's also a 12 ga in the closet
*feds storm house ; take guns*
- OK.. Here we have a .22 *laughs* da fuck is this? What you shoot this at, fucking insects? Gaddam amateurs. And the 12 ga. Is that a bipod? Fucking mall ninja. Ok, that'll be 50 bucks for the .22 and 100 for the 12 ga.
- I don't want your money!!! Just leave! Please! *cries*
- I SAID TAKE IT BITCH! YOU WANNA DO THIS THE HARD WAY?!
- I'll TAKE IT! I WILL! JUST PLEASE STOP POINTING THAT GUN AT MY HEAD!
- There we go.. just sign here. So what's it gonna be? Cash or card?

*end story*

You do have a flair for the dramatic, don't you? That might make a nice movie storyline, but it's wildly unrealistic when it comes to, you know, reality.

Idk if you realized it by now, but guns are not registered in the US. The vast majority, at least. There is absolutely no measure the government could take to make citizens surrender their guns by force, other than, well, you guessed it. It cannot penalize them since they do not know where the guns are and who they are owned by.

Please enlighten us slower types.