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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:28 pm

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Not necessarily. Currently, the interpretation of the second amendment is that it speaks to an individual right to keep and bear arms, but it's possible that that interpretation could change, and the right to bear arms be decided to be contingent on Militia membership. For example.

Plus, of course, it's possible to actually amend the Constitution, should public opinion ever flow that far in that direction.


Banning guns is a violation of the bill of rights. In English - It's illegal.


Which part of my post was confusing?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:30 pm

Greater Terra Empire wrote:How about we make guns legal but ban bullets.


I can just handload my own. Go ahead.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:30 pm

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She also didn't fill out her paperwork properly, and the guy who sold her the gun ended up looking at three years probation for not making sure it was done before he sold the gun.


I trust you have the source to back up that whole claim?


I thought it was common knowledge, I've seen it reported a few places.

Okay - first link I found for it: here
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:41 pm

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I trust you have the source to back up that whole claim?


I thought it was common knowledge, I've seen it reported a few places.

Okay - first link I found for it: here


Assuming this is true, how is this related to Newtown, and you do know the government is responsible for checking on these forms before approval.
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Postby Libertarian California » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:44 pm

Introduce background checks and safety courses. That's about all I can think of.


I sort of like Canada's gun laws. Canada has less restrictive gun laws than California, believe it or not.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:48 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Introduce background checks and safety courses. That's about all I can think of.


I sort of like Canada's gun laws. Canada has less restrictive gun laws than California, believe it or not.


Canada's gun laws would prevent me from owning an AK-74. I don't like that. As for background checks, that we already have.
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Postby Libertarian California » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:51 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Introduce background checks and safety courses. That's about all I can think of.


I sort of like Canada's gun laws. Canada has less restrictive gun laws than California, believe it or not.


Canada's gun laws would prevent me from owning an AK-74. I don't like that. As for background checks, that we already have.


At least Canada doesn't have Dianne Feinstein and her fascist cronies.
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Postby Hornesia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:52 pm

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Canada's gun laws would prevent me from owning an AK-74. I don't like that. As for background checks, that we already have.


At least Canada doesn't have Dianne Feinstein and her fascist cronies.

I read her proposed bill. What the hell is an AK-47 pistol?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:55 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:Assuming this is true,


I have no reason to doubt it.

Chernoslavia wrote:...how is this related to Newtown...


The article is less than 300 words. Is it really too much to expect you to read less than 300 words?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:55 pm

Hornesia wrote:
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At least Canada doesn't have Dianne Feinstein and her fascist cronies.

I read her proposed bill. What the hell is an AK-47 pistol?


She probably was referring to the Draco series of rifles. They're regulated as pistols by law.
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Postby Krazakistan » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:55 pm

Hornesia wrote:
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At least Canada doesn't have Dianne Feinstein and her fascist cronies.

I read her proposed bill. What the hell is an AK-47 pistol?

I'm not to sure, but I think it's an AK-47 without a stock and shortened barrel.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:57 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Assuming this is true,


I have no reason to doubt it.

Chernoslavia wrote:...how is this related to Newtown...


The article is less than 300 words. Is it really too much to expect you to read less than 300 words?


Yes I read the entire fucking article which is just another one that has no links or sources belittles gun owners, and irrelevently mentions Newtown.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:59 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:...and irrelevently mentions Newtown.


You didn't read the article.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:59 pm

Krazakistan wrote:
Hornesia wrote:I read her proposed bill. What the hell is an AK-47 pistol?

I'm not to sure, but I think it's an AK-47 without a stock and shortened barrel.


Its not an AK47 but its based off of it.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:00 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Not necessarily. Currently, the interpretation of the second amendment is that it speaks to an individual right to keep and bear arms, but it's possible that that interpretation could change, and the right to bear arms be decided to be contingent on Militia membership. For example.

Plus, of course, it's possible to actually amend the Constitution, should public opinion ever flow that far in that direction.


Banning guns is a violation of the bill of rights. In English - It's illegal.

Maybe read past the first two words of the post.
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Postby Hornesia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:00 pm

Summary of Feinstein's gun "expertise"
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Postby Greater Terra Empire » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:02 pm

Hornesia wrote:Summary of Feinstein's gun "expertise"

Obviously, gun control people don't know shit about guns so they don't know the safety of using firearms. They just know banning guns means "safety".
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:02 pm

Hornesia wrote:Summary of Feinstein's gun "expertise"

That's nice.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:02 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:...and irrelevently mentions Newtown.


You didn't read the article.


....

That's it, I'm done here.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:04 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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You didn't read the article.


....

That's it, I'm done here.


You've been posting crap like this: "Banning guns is a violation of the bill of rights. In English - It's illegal."

And you feel like you've been actually participating?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:05 pm

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Banning guns is a violation of the bill of rights. In English - It's illegal.

Maybe read past the first two words of the post.


I did, and its all bullshit.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:08 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
....

That's it, I'm done here.


You've been posting crap like this: "Banning guns is a violation of the bill of rights. In English - It's illegal."

And you feel like you've been actually participating?


Your post about how the 2nd amendment is interpreted along with your article is utterly rediculous.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:09 pm

Hornesia wrote:Summary of Feinstein's gun "expertise"


I've seen this picture from other angles, and - according to Willie Brown (San Fransisco Mayor), the 'gun' in question is a prop, and literally cannot fire.
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Postby Krazakistan » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:10 pm

Hornesia wrote:Summary of Feinstein's gun "expertise"


Pro-gun control people in a nutshell.
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Postby Hornesia » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:12 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Hornesia wrote:Summary of Feinstein's gun "expertise"


I've seen this picture from other angles, and - according to Willie Brown (San Fransisco Mayor), the 'gun' in question is a prop, and literally cannot fire.

Doesn't matter, if ti's anywhere close to a rifle in operation or appearance, you use gun safety procedures. I don't care if it's a fucking BB gun.
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