US Gun Control (Yes, again).

[Big Jim P]

Wait, what? I never said anything about banning guns altogether.
I said that guns have very little regulation when it comes to purchase, and that semi-automatic weapons can be purchased on a whim. And you show me a clip of people standing on a roof holding guns to hold back a crowd, claiming that that negates all my points. Of course, we can't ban all guns. I'm just suggesting we get rid of semi-automatic weapons. Non-automatic weapons would do just fine.

well in truth handguns are a much bigger problem than semiautomatic weapons in general.
and real problem is not the type of gun, it is how easy it is for the mentally unstable or criminals to get their hands on them, a mandatory permit and background check for ALL gun sales would solve most of the problem.

That falls squarely into infringement, however. A license to carry? yes. To own? No.

[Chernoslavia]

Thats the dumbest shit Ive ever heard.I live in a rural area and the only gunshots I hear are my own and of my 'friends' which are being fired at wooden planks and soda cans.

and many people living in cities have never heard a gunshot in their entire lives.
what is your point?
Or do you not understand what gun crime rates are higher means?

Gun crime rates are higher in metropolitan areas.

[Chernoslavia]

Butterfly knives while not illegal to possess in the UK, are illegal to carry in public.

Cute.

If its a switchblade, automatic, or spring launched (ballistic knives) its illegal to carry outside your home. The only knives your allowed to carry are fixed bladed knives with a blade thats no longer than 3''.

[Uieurnthlaal]

and many people living in cities have never heard a gunshot in their entire lives.
what is your point?
Or do you not understand what gun crime rates are higher means?

Gun crime rates are higher in metropolitan areas.

Well duh. There are more people to mug.

[Partybus]

Cute.

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

More like most, if not all (unless the blade is "California legal" or, two inch's or less of blade)

[Grave_n_idle]

No we shouldn't.

Also, good luck disarming 300 million people, just saying "guns banned now guys mmkay?" isn't going to do that for you.

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment...

Not necessarily. Currently, the interpretation of the second amendment is that it speaks to an individual right to keep and bear arms, but it's possible that that interpretation could change, and the right to bear arms be decided to be contingent on Militia membership. For example.

Plus, of course, it's possible to actually amend the Constitution, should public opinion ever flow that far in that direction.

[Vazdania]

This thread reminds me of this video. I'm sure many of you may enjoy it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipujWRYUjS4

"I luvs my gun, LUVS MY GUN"

[Grave_n_idle]

UK Assault victims out of total population: 2.8%
US: 1.2%

But how many people get shot?

[Grave_n_idle]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please.

Which is why nations with tighter gun control than America are all despotic hellholes with.... oh.

[Grave_n_idle]

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

The Newtown shooter had no history of mental issues before the shooting besides Aspergers. You call that a condition that is worthy of not only blocking you from buying a gun but your entire family?

Interestingly, though - the reason the Newtown shooter had a gun was that existing gun control laws were not observed.

[Agritum]

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment...

Not necessarily. Currently, the interpretation of the second amendment is that it speaks to an individual right to keep and bear arms, but it's possible that that interpretation could change, and the right to bear arms be decided to be contingent on Militia membership. For example.

Plus, of course, it's possible to actually amend the Constitution, should public opinion ever flow that far in that direction.

Eh, not really betting on it, to be honest. But well, the world is unpredictable, so who knows?

[Grave_n_idle]

Not necessarily. Currently, the interpretation of the second amendment is that it speaks to an individual right to keep and bear arms, but it's possible that that interpretation could change, and the right to bear arms be decided to be contingent on Militia membership. For example.

Plus, of course, it's possible to actually amend the Constitution, should public opinion ever flow that far in that direction.

Eh, not really betting on it, to be honest. But well, the world is unpredictable, so who knows?

I don't see the Second Amendment being amended at any point soon, even though it arguably needs it for other reasons - but it's not impossible that the interpretation of the Amendment could change.

[Uieurnthlaal]

The Newtown shooter had no history of mental issues before the shooting besides Aspergers. You call that a condition that is worthy of not only blocking you from buying a gun but your entire family?

Interestingly, though - the reason the Newtown shooter had a gun was that existing gun control laws were not observed.

No history of mental illness? You mean that strange person with extreme social issues? In any case, even if he was really sane after all until a few months before, the mother was an extremely irresponsible gun owner, buy not keeping all her guns locked up in a safe that only she could access. A gun is not a toy, and people who treat them as such have no right to own a gun.

[Agritum]

Interestingly, though - the reason the Newtown shooter had a gun was that existing gun control laws were not observed.

No history of mental illness? You mean that strange person with extreme social issues? In any case, even if he was really sane after all until a few months before, the mother was an extremely irresponsible gun owner, buy not keeping all her guns locked up in a safe that only she could access. A gun is not a toy, and people who treat them as such have no right to own a gun.

She also happened to be a survivalist.

Speak of an Epic Fail on her part.

[Grave_n_idle]

No history of mental illness? You mean that strange person with extreme social issues? In any case, even if he was really sane after all until a few months before, the mother was an extremely irresponsible gun owner, buy not keeping all her guns locked up in a safe that only she could access. A gun is not a toy, and people who treat them as such have no right to own a gun.

She also happened to be a survivalist.

Speak of an Epic Fail on her part.

She also didn't fill out her paperwork properly, and the guy who sold her the gun ended up looking at three years probation for not making sure it was done before he sold the gun.

[Ifreann]

Yeah, see, butter knives, which is what was said, and butterfly knives are not the same thing.

But they ARE. Just like an AR15 and an M-16 are the same. At least in some eyes.

I suppose they are both knives. Even if UK law treats them both the same, I doubt many officers would be terribly inclined to arrest someone for having a butter knife.

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Yeah, see, butter knives, which is what was said, and butterfly knives are not the same thing.

oh good point I did not catch that.

Butterfly knives would make toast much more exciting.

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Cute.

If its a switchblade, automatic, or spring launched (ballistic knives) its illegal to carry outside your home. The only knives your allowed to carry are fixed bladed knives with a blade thats no longer than 3''.

And, again, I was calling the claim that you can be arrested for having a butter knife a lie. Not a butterfly knife. I wouldn't be surprised if butter knives didn't count under knife crime laws at all, what with their famous bluntness.

[Hornesia]

Interestingly, though - the reason the Newtown shooter had a gun was that existing gun control laws were not observed.

No history of mental illness? You mean that strange person with extreme social issues? In any case, even if he was really sane after all until a few months before, the mother was an extremely irresponsible gun owner, buy not keeping all her guns locked up in a safe that only she could access. A gun is not a toy, and people who treat them as such have no right to own a gun.

I have Aspergers and social issues. Are you suggesting that I have extreme mental issues and should not be allowed to own a gun?

[Occupied Deutschland]

And, again, I was calling the claim that you can be arrested for having a butter knife a lie. Not a butterfly knife. I wouldn't be surprised if butter knives didn't count under knife crime laws at all, what with their famous bluntness.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... eapon.html

It's very old though, law very well could've been changed or this case may have been appealed or something (No idea how the British judivcial system works)

Edit: 'Judicial' that is, apparently not only do I not know how English law works, I don't know how the language does either.

[Grave_n_idle]

No history of mental illness? You mean that strange person with extreme social issues? In any case, even if he was really sane after all until a few months before, the mother was an extremely irresponsible gun owner, buy not keeping all her guns locked up in a safe that only she could access. A gun is not a toy, and people who treat them as such have no right to own a gun.

I have Aspergers and social issues. Are you suggesting that I have extreme mental issues and should not be allowed to own a gun?

I'd say that rather depends on what 'social issues' means.

If 'social issues' means 'I'm a bit shy', it's probably not an immediate disqualification. On the other hand, if you're a clinically psychopathic or suicidal... yeah, maybe you should have limited access to firearms.

[Uieurnthlaal]

I have Aspergers and social issues. Are you suggesting that I have extreme mental issues and should not be allowed to own a gun?

I'd say that rather depends on what 'social issues' means.

If 'social issues' means 'I'm a bit shy', it's probably not an immediate disqualification. On the other hand, if you're a clinically psychopathic or suicidal... yeah, maybe you should have limited access to firearms.

What the person above said.

[Chernoslavia]

She also happened to be a survivalist.

Speak of an Epic Fail on her part.

She also didn't fill out her paperwork properly, and the guy who sold her the gun ended up looking at three years probation for not making sure it was done before he sold the gun.

I trust you have the source to back up that whole claim?

[Chernoslavia]

No history of mental illness? You mean that strange person with extreme social issues? In any case, even if he was really sane after all until a few months before, the mother was an extremely irresponsible gun owner, buy not keeping all her guns locked up in a safe that only she could access. A gun is not a toy, and people who treat them as such have no right to own a gun.

She also happened to be a survivalist.

Speak of an Epic Fail on her part.

She was a kind person who was shot by her own son and here you are accusing her of being a survivalist. Even if she was a survivalist, what does that have to do with what happened in Newtown? Is it wrong for someone to prepare themselves for any kind of disaster?

[Gauthier]

She also happened to be a survivalist.

Speak of an Epic Fail on her part.

She was a kind person who was shot by her own son and here you are accusing her of being a survivalist. Even if she was a survivalist, what does that have to do with what happened in Newtown? Is it wrong for someone for preparing themselves for any kind of disaster?

Because he tried to buy a gun earlier but didn't want to sit out the waiting period, and if she was a survivalist that would explain the arsenal that he had easy access to?

[Chernoslavia]

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment...

Not necessarily. Currently, the interpretation of the second amendment is that it speaks to an individual right to keep and bear arms, but it's possible that that interpretation could change, and the right to bear arms be decided to be contingent on Militia membership. For example.

Plus, of course, it's possible to actually amend the Constitution, should public opinion ever flow that far in that direction.

Banning guns is a violation of the bill of rights. In English - It's illegal.

[Greater Terra Empire]

How about we make guns legal but ban bullets.