US Gun Control (Yes, again).

[Gun Manufacturers]

They can't unless they amend the constitution, which wouldn't fly. I don't support any of the efforts the gun control lobby is putting forth. The horrible sad truth is that they can't even enforce the laws and restrictions they have in place now, let alone all the other ones they are proposing, especially regarding "high powered assault weapons" and "High Capacity Magazines".

That's the point. What the new laws are supposed to do, is not only ban the unnecessarily powerful guns, but also fully enforce a universal background check (which, because of the gun show loophole, is not being enforced).

Define "unnecessarily powerful" please.

[Ifreann]

Liar.

Butterfly knives while not illegal to possess in the UK, are illegal to carry in public.

Cute.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment, and it would do no good to the public standing of the government, to boot.

It's simple... 2nd Amendment needs to go then. No big deal... right?

I mean the rest of the developed world (Japan, France, Italy etc) seem to be doing very well and are perfectly fine and safe (without high gun crimes) without this stupid thing called... the 2nd Amendment.

Quite frankly, the whole 2nd Amendment has done nothing except condemn a ton of innocent schoolchildren and civilians to die by gunfire...

As has been pointed out many times in other threads, you'd need 2/3 of Congress, as well as 38 states legislatures to repeal the Second Amendment. Since 44 states have the right to bear arms in their STATE constitutions, you'd have to start there first.

It isn't going to happen ANYTIME soon.

[Sociobiology]

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

The Newtown shooter had no history of mental issues before the shooting besides Aspergers. You call that a condition that is worthy of not only blocking you from buying a gun but your entire family?

having worked with two people with aspergers it should certainly be considered for the individual. much like any seizure disorder precludes someone from driving.

[Sociobiology]

Butterfly knives while not illegal to possess in the UK, are illegal to carry in public.

Cute.

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

[Big Jim P]

Cute.

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

They are also legal in others.

[Sociobiology]

actually small rural communities have higher per capita gun crime rates so you are more likely to be a victim of a gun crime in these places, in straight numbers of course urban areas have more gun crime they have many more people, but the rates are lower.
Think of it like pets the rate for dog ownership is higher in rural Kansas even thought there are far more dogs in New York city.

Thats the dumbest shit Ive ever heard.I live in a rural area and the only gunshots I hear are my own and of my 'friends' which are being fired at wooden planks and soda cans.

and many people living in cities have never heard a gunshot in their entire lives.
what is your point?
Or do you not understand what gun crime rates are higher means?

[Sociobiology]

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

They are also legal in others.

just pointing out it is not unusual for a person to be from somewhere they are illegal.

[Big Jim P]

They are also legal in others.

just pointing out it is not unusual for a person to be from somewhere they are illegal.

True.

What is especially funny, it that butterfly knives weren't the ones originally mentioned. Butter knives were. There IS a difference.

{snip} I know in the UK you can be put in JAIL for having a butter knife!{snip}

[Gun Manufacturers]

Oh, really?
So you're telling me These people didn't need their guns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzkBGQx3HAc

Wait, what? I never said anything about banning guns altogether.
I said that guns have very little regulation when it comes to purchase, and that semi-automatic weapons can be purchased on a whim. And you show me a clip of people standing on a roof holding guns to hold back a crowd, claiming that that negates all my points. Of course, we can't ban all guns. I'm just suggesting we get rid of semi-automatic weapons. Non-automatic weapons would do just fine.

So, you want to get rid of all semi-auto pistols (leaving us with only revolvers and single shot handguns), all semi auto rifles (including .22lr rifles such as the 10/22, one of the most popular target and small game hunting rifles out there), and all semi auto shotguns (which will destroy the sports of skeet shooting and sporting clays)? No thank you.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Source? The US had eight shark deaths in the past century. Most causes of deaths are more likely than shark attacks.

8 per YEAR

3 Per 80 years is a lot less then 8 per year.

Let me look.

Thank's man... Is your avatar you?

I thought that number was off. I was about to say, the Jersey Shore shark attacks of 1916 amount to 4 fatalities all by itself.

[Sociobiology]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please. In the American revolution the standard rifle WAS the assault rifle ( Ak-47, M4 ) and when they came to seize them we shot back. As for gun registration that's the same thing they did in the UK and Aus and then banned them. And that also allows the government to know who has what and where. If we lose our guns we WILL be JUST like the EX-Soviet union, Nazi Germany, Khmer Rouge, Libya etc its not about safety of people its about control.

exactly 28,736 people die from guns each year
16,603 are suicides
11,250 are homicides
661 are accident
222 are unknown intents
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_peop ... _each_year

Weapons 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
Total firearms: 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583
Handguns: 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,220
Rifles: 453 380 351 367 323
Shotguns: 457 442 423 366 356
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/how-m ... -was-used/

killed by knifes
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offense ... le_07.html
Here are the numbers:
2003: 1,828
2004: 1,866
2005: 1,920 2006: 1,830 2008: 1,796

2006-1,830 2007- 1,817 2008-1,888 2009-1,836 2010-1,704
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/20 ... tates.html

Death by cars
2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 428AAXDr4w

2011 32,367 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... S._by_year

killed by hammers

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... ith-Rifles

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/20 ... z2XEhZAtfa

Medical error

In hospital 90,000 One American dies in a hospital from a medical error or a lethal infection every 6 minutes
http://www.itsmywill.com/itsmylife/stats.html

An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

not to mention how many people die from gravity.

Falls 22,631 One American killed in a fall every 23 minutes
http://www.itsmylife.com/stats.html

Autoerotic Asphyxiation Kills 600 people annually
http://www.oddee.com/item_98002.aspx

note the only thing with a higher death toll than firearms is cars and medicine both of which require a permit.

Australia's gun ban
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

source
also note that legal gun ownership increased after the ban, and note gun violence and homicide fell.

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/07/ ... and-brits/

that link reaches nothing that supports your claim so again source?

Fact: In Canada around 1920, before there was any form of gun control, their homicide rate bwas 7% of the U.S rate. By 1986, and after significant gun control legislation, Canada's homicide rate was 35% of the U.S. rate - a significant increase. 40 In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000).41

first source then
wrong gun control in Canada started in the 1860's

Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime. Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.42

but still much lower than the US, around ten times lower.

The crime rate is 66% higher in four Canadian Prairie Provinces than in the
northern US states across the border.

source?

Fact: Switzerland has relatively lenient gun control for Europe35, and has the third-lowest homicide rate of the top nine major European countries, and the same per capita rate as England and Wales.36

and it also has far stricter gun control than the US, for one thing it has mandatory background checks to own a firearm.

australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_gun_control_reduce_crime

source please, because a blog with no sources is not a source.

[Sociobiology]

I'll say it once, I'll say it again, all of the recent mass shootings have taken place in a gun free zone or somewhere were guns are strictly controlled (Fort Hood). The shooters are afraid of would be victims with guns. This is why gun control is pointless and will drive up the crime rate significantly. For more evidence
UK Assault victims out of total population: 2.8%
US: 1.2%
Source: UNICRI
UK: Rape Victims 0.9%
US: 0.4%
Source: UNICRI
Total Crime Victims
UK: 26.4%
US: 21.1%
Source: UNICRI
In summary, gun control slightly raises the crime rate.

if you only compare two countries.
and ignore the differences in definition of certain crimes between the countries.
also what year because those numbers are way off for the most up to date numbers.

[Agritum]

Butterfly knives while not illegal to possess in the UK, are illegal to carry in public.

Cute.

[Gun Manufacturers]

8 per YEAR

3 Per 80 years is a lot less then 8 per year.

You answered a request for a source by repeating yourself. I can pull a number out of my hat, namely that I was actually wrong, and only one person was killed by shark attacks since the history of America. However, because of this source, I know that the actual number is 36 during the part 450 years, giving an approximate 8 within the past 100 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... ates#2010s

[Big Jim P]

You answered a request for a source by repeating yourself. I can pull a number out of my hat, namely that I was actually wrong, and only one person was killed by shark attacks since the history of America. However, because of this source, I know that the actual number is 36 during the part 450 years, giving an approximate 8 within the past 100 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... ates#2010s

I counted 14 this century alone.

Of course, gun-control supporters are not known for their accuracy, honesty, attention paid to, or even use of any number that doesn't support their position.

[Fireye]

Actually, they don't.

They impede on my right to live safely and they stop me from feeling safe.

Then you need Psychological help. Lots of it.

I'd recommend doing an internet search for therapists in your area.

/sincerity.

[Ifreann]

Cute.

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

Yeah, see, butter knives, which is what was said, and butterfly knives are not the same thing.

[Big Jim P]

Actually, they don't.

They impede on my right to live safely and they stop me from feeling safe.

They also provide for security of many.

[Sociobiology]

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

That Gun Show loophole is complete bullshit. I've known several people who've bought from gun shows and they had to get background checks.

that is because it varies by state and whether they bought from a federal dealer or a private seller.

[Big Jim P]

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

Yeah, see, butter knives, which is what was said, and butterfly knives are not the same thing.

But they ARE. Just like an AR15 and an M-16 are the same. At least in some eyes.

[Sociobiology]

They impede on my right to live safely and they stop me from feeling safe.

They also provide for security of many.

which is why few people support outright bans but support background checks and permits.

[Big Jim P]

They also provide for security of many.

which is why few people support outright bans but support background checks and permits.

Indeed.

[Sociobiology]

actually butterfly knives and switchblades are illegal in many US states as well.

Yeah, see, butter knives, which is what was said, and butterfly knives are not the same thing.

oh good point I did not catch that.

[Sociobiology]

Oh, really?
So you're telling me These people didn't need their guns?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzkBGQx3HAc

Wait, what? I never said anything about banning guns altogether.
I said that guns have very little regulation when it comes to purchase, and that semi-automatic weapons can be purchased on a whim. And you show me a clip of people standing on a roof holding guns to hold back a crowd, claiming that that negates all my points. Of course, we can't ban all guns. I'm just suggesting we get rid of semi-automatic weapons. Non-automatic weapons would do just fine.

well in truth handguns are a much bigger problem than semiautomatic weapons in general.
and real problem is not the type of gun, it is how easy it is for the mentally unstable or criminals to get their hands on them, a mandatory permit and background check for ALL gun sales would solve most of the problem.