US Gun Control (Yes, again).

[Jassysworth 1]

No we shouldn't.

Also, good luck disarming 300 million people, just saying "guns banned now guys mmkay?" isn't going to do that for you.

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment, and it would do no good to the public standing of the government, to boot.

It's simple... 2nd Amendment needs to go then. No big deal... right?

I mean the rest of the developed world (Japan, France, Italy etc) seem to be doing very well and are perfectly fine and safe (without high gun crimes) without this stupid thing called... the 2nd Amendment.

Quite frankly, the whole 2nd Amendment has done nothing except condemn a ton of innocent schoolchildren and civilians to die by gunfire...

[Eliasonia]

They can't unless they amend the constitution, which wouldn't fly. I don't support any of the efforts the gun control lobby is putting forth. The horrible sad truth is that they can't even enforce the laws and restrictions they have in place now, let alone all the other ones they are proposing, especially regarding "high powered assault weapons" and "High Capacity Magazines".

That's the point. What the new laws are supposed to do, is not only ban the unnecessarily powerful guns, but also fully enforce a universal background check (which, because of the gun show loophole, is not being enforced).

1. What is an "unnecessarily powerful gun"? I can't think of anything a civilian can purchase at the moment that is in any way, shape or form "unnecessarily powerful"

2. Background checks would arguably be the hardest to enforce just due to sheer numbers. You'd have to dig back through the histories of several thousand people annually and trust that all weapons dealers would do so unconditionally. The idea is a good one in theory, however it reeks of bureaucracy and would eventually be near impossible to completely enforce.

[Eliasonia]

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment, and it would do no good to the public standing of the government, to boot.

It's simple... 2nd Amendment needs to go then. No big deal... right?

I mean the rest of the developed world (Japan, France, Italy etc) seem to be doing very well and are perfectly fine and safe (without high gun crimes) without this stupid thing called... the 2nd Amendment.

Quite frankly, the whole 2nd Amendment has done nothing except condemn a ton of innocent schoolchildren and civilians to die by gunfire...

Don't blame the tool for what the moron operating it does with it. Lanza's guns at sandy hook were stolen from his mother, he didn't legally obtain them. Hell, I heard somewhere that at least 20 - 22 guns laws were broken back in Columbine. Banning things and saying they are illegal isn't going to make the problem go away. If anything, it's going to limit the normal law abiding public's ability to defend themselves from whackjobs seeking to do them harm.

[Ifreann]

If we don't let everyone have guns all the time, then King George will rise from the dead to reclaim his colonies.

[Republik auf Texas]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please. In the American revolution the standard rifle WAS the assault rifle ( Ak-47, M4 ) and when they came to seize them we shot back. As for gun registration that's the same thing they did in the UK and Aus and then banned them. And that also allows the government to know who has what and where. If we lose our guns we WILL be JUST like the EX-Soviet union, Nazi Germany, Khmer Rouge, Libya etc its not about safety of people its about control.

exactly 28,736 people die from guns each year
16,603 are suicides
11,250 are homicides
661 are accident
222 are unknown intents
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_peop ... _each_year

Weapons 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
Total firearms: 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583
Handguns: 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,220
Rifles: 453 380 351 367 323
Shotguns: 457 442 423 366 356
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/how-m ... -was-used/

killed by knifes
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offense ... le_07.html
Here are the numbers:
2003: 1,828
2004: 1,866
2005: 1,920 2006: 1,830 2008: 1,796

2006-1,830 2007- 1,817 2008-1,888 2009-1,836 2010-1,704
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/20 ... tates.html

Death by cars
2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 428AAXDr4w

2011 32,367 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... S._by_year

killed by hammers

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... ith-Rifles

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/20 ... z2XEhZAtfa

Medical error

In hospital 90,000 One American dies in a hospital from a medical error or a lethal infection every 6 minutes
http://www.itsmywill.com/itsmylife/stats.html

An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

not to mention how many people die from gravity.

Falls 22,631 One American killed in a fall every 23 minutes
http://www.itsmylife.com/stats.html

Autoerotic Asphyxiation Kills 600 people annually
http://www.oddee.com/item_98002.aspx

UK crime rises after gun ban The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... d-n1464528

Australia's gun ban
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/07/ ... and-brits/

"the level of violent crime in Britain has risen by 70 per cent Gun crime is up by more than half and there are more than 100 serious knife crimes each day, with fatal stabbings having reached the highest level on record."

http://www.examiner.com/article/now-a-g ... of-control

Fact: In Canada around 1920, before there was any form of gun control, their homicide rate bwas 7% of the U.S rate. By 1986, and after significant gun control legislation, Canada's homicide rate was 35% of the U.S. rate - a significant increase. 40 In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000).41

Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime. Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.42

The crime rate is 66% higher in four Canadian Prairie Provinces than in the
northern US states across the border.

Fact: Switzerland has relatively lenient gun control for Europe35, and has the third-lowest homicide rate of the top nine major European countries, and the same per capita rate as England and Wales.36

australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_gun_control_reduce_crime

So we should ban Gravity, Doctors, Hammers, Bats, Hell even cars. I know in the UK you can be put in JAIL for having a butter knife! WTF no gun ban works look at the stats and if you still believe it move to a gun banned country you don't belong here trying to take my rights and others.

[Gauthier]

If we don't let everyone have guns all the time, then King George will rise from the dead to reclaim his colonies.

Guns are actually magical talismans that keep King George asleep.

That means Obama, Bloomberg and the Democrats are all Secret Tories!

[Eliasonia]

If we don't let everyone have guns all the time, then King George will rise from the dead to reclaim his colonies.

Guns are actually magical talismans that keep King George asleep.

That means Obama, Bloomberg and the Democrats are all Secret Tories!

Ew... Bloomberg......

*Drinks enormous soda out of spite*

[Hornesia]

I'll say it once, I'll say it again, all of the recent mass shootings have taken place in a gun free zone or somewhere were guns are strictly controlled (Fort Hood). The shooters are afraid of would be victims with guns. This is why gun control is pointless and will drive up the crime rate significantly. For more evidence
UK Assault victims out of total population: 2.8%
US: 1.2%
Source: UNICRI
UK: Rape Victims 0.9%
US: 0.4%
Source: UNICRI
Total Crime Victims
UK: 26.4%
US: 21.1%
Source: UNICRI
In summary, gun control slightly raises the crime rate.

[Yes Im Biop]

Boy I have to spell this out don't I. Higher crimes and deaths will occur in urban areas no matter what. It is inevitable. The chance of you getting shot by an assault rifle is less than you being attacked by a shark. You have more of a chance of dying in a car accident than being killed by some lunatic has an illegally owned fire arm. So I don;t see what difference it would make if you increase gun laws. Because criminals don't follow laws.

No, the chance of getting shot by an assault rifle is greater than attacked by a shark (but then, most dangerous things are more likely than shark attacks).

Like hell. Do you understand how regulated Real Assault riles are? For starter's they are Class 3, And second they cost in excess of 15GRAND

[Uieurnthlaal]

That's the point. What the new laws are supposed to do, is not only ban the unnecessarily powerful guns, but also fully enforce a universal background check (which, because of the gun show loophole, is not being enforced).

1. What is an "unnecessarily powerful gun"? I can't think of anything a civilian can purchase at the moment that is in any way, shape or form "unnecessarily powerful"

2. Background checks would arguably be the hardest to enforce just due to sheer numbers. You'd have to dig back through the histories of several thousand people annually and trust that all weapons dealers would do so unconditionally. The idea is a good one in theory, however it reeks of bureaucracy and would eventually be near impossible to completely enforce.

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

[Republik auf Texas]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please. In the American revolution the standard rifle WAS the assault rifle ( Ak-47, M4 ) and when they came to seize them we shot back. As for gun registration that's the same thing they did in the UK and Aus and then banned them. And that also allows the government to know who has what and where. If we lose our guns we WILL be JUST like the EX-Soviet union, Nazi Germany, Khmer Rouge, Libya etc its not about safety of people its about control.

exactly 28,736 people die from guns each year
16,603 are suicides
11,250 are homicides
661 are accident
222 are unknown intents
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_peop ... _each_year

Weapons 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
Total firearms: 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583
Handguns: 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,220
Rifles: 453 380 351 367 323
Shotguns: 457 442 423 366 356
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/how-m ... -was-used/

killed by knifes
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offense ... le_07.html
Here are the numbers:
2003: 1,828
2004: 1,866
2005: 1,920 2006: 1,830 2008: 1,796

2006-1,830 2007- 1,817 2008-1,888 2009-1,836 2010-1,704
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/20 ... tates.html

Death by cars
2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 428AAXDr4w

2011 32,367 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... S._by_year

killed by hammers

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... ith-Rifles

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/gun-rights/20 ... z2XEhZAtfa

Medical error

In hospital 90,000 One American dies in a hospital from a medical error or a lethal infection every 6 minutes
http://www.itsmywill.com/itsmylife/stats.html

An average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, according to a new study of 37 million patient records that was released today by HealthGrades, the healthcare quality company.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

not to mention how many people die from gravity.

Falls 22,631 One American killed in a fall every 23 minutes
http://www.itsmylife.com/stats.html

Autoerotic Asphyxiation Kills 600 people annually
http://www.oddee.com/item_98002.aspx

UK crime rises after gun ban The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... d-n1464528

Australia's gun ban
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/07/ ... and-brits/

"the level of violent crime in Britain has risen by 70 per cent Gun crime is up by more than half and there are more than 100 serious knife crimes each day, with fatal stabbings having reached the highest level on record."

http://www.examiner.com/article/now-a-g ... of-control

Fact: In Canada around 1920, before there was any form of gun control, their homicide rate bwas 7% of the U.S rate. By 1986, and after significant gun control legislation, Canada's homicide rate was 35% of the U.S. rate - a significant increase. 40 In 2003, Canada had a violent crime rate more than double that of the U.S. (963 vs. 475 per 100,000).41

Fact: Many of the countries with the strictest gun control have the highest rates of violent crime. Australia and England, which have virtually banned gun ownership, have the highest rates of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force of the top 17 industrialized countries.42

The crime rate is 66% higher in four Canadian Prairie Provinces than in the
northern US states across the border.

Fact: Switzerland has relatively lenient gun control for Europe35, and has the third-lowest homicide rate of the top nine major European countries, and the same per capita rate as England and Wales.36

australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_gun_control_reduce_crime

So we should ban Gravity, Doctors, Hammers, Bats, Hell even cars. I know in the UK you can be put in JAIL for having a butter knife! WTF no gun ban works look at the stats and if you still believe it move to a gun banned country you don't belong here trying to take my rights and others.

[Ifreann]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please....

Like they do in the rest of the world. Oh, wait, no they don't.

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If we don't let everyone have guns all the time, then King George will rise from the dead to reclaim his colonies.

Guns are actually magical talismans that keep King George asleep.

That means Obama, Bloomberg and the Democrats are all Secret Tories!

Ye gods, Secret Muslim Tory Communists!

[Agritum]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please. In the American revolution the standard rifle WAS the assault rifle ( Ak-47, M4 ) and when they came to seize them we shot back.

I now have a mental image of George Washington fast roping from an helicopter and shotting at Brits with an M4 on full auto.

[Ifreann]

I know in the UK you can be put in JAIL for having a butter knife!

Liar.

[Hornesia]

1. What is an "unnecessarily powerful gun"? I can't think of anything a civilian can purchase at the moment that is in any way, shape or form "unnecessarily powerful"

2. Background checks would arguably be the hardest to enforce just due to sheer numbers. You'd have to dig back through the histories of several thousand people annually and trust that all weapons dealers would do so unconditionally. The idea is a good one in theory, however it reeks of bureaucracy and would eventually be near impossible to completely enforce.

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

The Newtown shooter had no history of mental issues before the shooting besides Aspergers. You call that a condition that is worthy of not only blocking you from buying a gun but your entire family?

[Agritum]

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

The Newtown shooter had no history of mental issues before the shooting besides Aspergers. You call that a condition that is worthy of not only blocking you from buying a gun but your entire family?

The guns of the Newtown shooter were purchased by his mother, IIRC.

[Hornesia]

1. What is an "unnecessarily powerful gun"? I can't think of anything a civilian can purchase at the moment that is in any way, shape or form "unnecessarily powerful"

2. Background checks would arguably be the hardest to enforce just due to sheer numbers. You'd have to dig back through the histories of several thousand people annually and trust that all weapons dealers would do so unconditionally. The idea is a good one in theory, however it reeks of bureaucracy and would eventually be near impossible to completely enforce.

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

That Gun Show loophole is complete bullshit. I've known several people who've bought from gun shows and they had to get background checks.

[Republik auf Texas]

I know in the UK you can be put in JAIL for having a butter knife!

Liar.

Really is that why 4 of friends which I know 1 from Scotland 3 from the UK have been JAILED FOR A KNIFE the 2 had a BUTTER KNIFE and other had a simple POCKET KNIFE 1 was a dam farmer.

[Eliasonia]

1. What is an "unnecessarily powerful gun"? I can't think of anything a civilian can purchase at the moment that is in any way, shape or form "unnecessarily powerful"

2. Background checks would arguably be the hardest to enforce just due to sheer numbers. You'd have to dig back through the histories of several thousand people annually and trust that all weapons dealers would do so unconditionally. The idea is a good one in theory, however it reeks of bureaucracy and would eventually be near impossible to completely enforce.

Good. The bureaucracy mean that people will think twice about buying guns on a whim, decreasing the amount of guns being purchased. And, if we have stringent tests for cars, why not have stringent tests for guns, which are far more dangerous? And add in a background check, not just of the person, but also of the family, to avoid instances like the Newtown shooting. And about "to powerful", I'm talking about semi-automatic rifles, or high capacity rifles. Did you know that it's completely possible to walk into a texas gun show and buy an AR15 without any background checks, waiting period, or identification of any kind?

1. Bureaucracy would more likely affect the business selling weapons, ie skipping out on them to turn a quicker profit.

2. There are more tests for guns than cars.

3. Semi auto's are "too powerful?" So weapons such as all standard handguns and many modern hunting rifles which fire one shot per trigger pull are excessive?

4. AR15 really isn't as powerful a weapon as the media likes to portray. The thing with the AR 15 is that it looks "scary" and looks like a military grade weapon, thus making it an easy target. The 5.56 mm it fires is a small round, the muzzle velocity makes it med to low powered at best, not "high powered" like the media like to claim, and it's also honestly a POS that jams a lot.

[Uieurnthlaal]

No, the chance of getting shot by an assault rifle is greater than attacked by a shark (but then, most dangerous things are more likely than shark attacks).

Like hell. Do you understand how regulated Real Assault riles are? For starter's they are Class 3, And second they cost in excess of 15GRAND

Do you know how rare shark attacks are? A hundred a year, worldwide, and only seventeen people a year are killed by shark attacks. More people are killed in wars every hour than are killed by shark attacks in a year.

[Republik auf Texas]

Gun control is the downfall of our rights as a whole and THEN the government will really do as they please. In the American revolution the standard rifle WAS the assault rifle ( Ak-47, M4 ) and when they came to seize them we shot back.

I now have a mental image of George Washington fast roping from an helicopter and shotting at Brits with an M4 on full auto.

That would be great!

[Big Jim P]

Openly banning guns would be an absurd violation of the 2nd Amendment, and it would do no good to the public standing of the government, to boot.

It's simple... 2nd Amendment needs to go then. No big deal... right?

I mean the rest of the developed world (Japan, France, Italy etc) seem to be doing very well and are perfectly fine and safe (without high gun crimes) without this stupid thing called... the 2nd Amendment.

Quite frankly, the whole 2nd Amendment has done nothing except condemn a ton of innocent schoolchildren and civilians to die by gunfire...

And has allowed many to defend themselves.

[Eliasonia]

The Newtown shooter had no history of mental issues before the shooting besides Aspergers. You call that a condition that is worthy of not only blocking you from buying a gun but your entire family?

The guns of the Newtown shooter were purchased by his mother, IIRC.

They were. The dude stole them from his mother.

[Agritum]

I now have a mental image of George Washington fast roping from an helicopter and shotting at Brits with an M4 on full auto.

That would be great!

I guess that American History buffs won't have the same opinion of it.

[Hornesia]

I now have a mental image of George Washington fast roping from an helicopter and shotting at Brits with an M4 on full auto.

That would be great!

Paul Revere: "FUCKING IRENE"