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Could Anarchism work?

Yes, it would work great and the transition period would be fast
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Yes, but the transition period would be long.
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It's good in theory, but there is no way it could work in modern society
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It couldn't work, anarchy is a ridiculous idea.
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Don't know or care.
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What's Anarchy?
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Can Anarchism Work?

Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:30 pm

Recently I was thinking to myself could anarchism work in a society? I believe it's nice in theory to have a place with no state or class, but I believe it's impossible to implement because people will always for, hierarchys and most people couldn't adjust to living without money, and living cooperatively for supplies, jobs, technology etc.

But I could be wrong, so what do you guys think, could anarchy work and why?
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Postby Spartan Philidelphia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:35 pm

No, anarchy will never work. People will always organize themselves into governed, organized groups with hierarchies.
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Postby Densaner » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:41 pm

Probably not. Powerful groups would come to the fore within an anarchist society anyway.

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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:42 pm

Densaner wrote:Probably not. Powerful groups would come to the fore within an anarchist society anyway.


My thoughts exactly.
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Postby Thafoo » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:46 pm

Well, if by "work", you mean "Rapture from Bioshock, post breakdown", then sure.

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Postby The USOT » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:47 pm

Thus far anarchism has failed to meet any kind of proof towards it being a valid system in a modern industrial sense.

Don't get me wrong, it has merits. There was a notable degree of success in Catalonia. There is even a fair amount of success in areas like twin oaks Virginia. But both have had major issues. Catalonia showed it to be politically unsustainable, with the Stalinists easily subverting the system and the mass slaughter of priests. Twin oaks has shown a very sustainable system at the cost of much in the way of modern tech and being only able to sustain 100 people.
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Postby Divair » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:48 pm

FUCK DA STATE! DON'T NEED NO AUTHORITY! CORPORATIONS GUN DO EVERYTHING PERFECTLY! DON'T QUESTION IT, JUST BELIEVE! IF YOU DON'T, YOU'LL PROBABLY BLEED!
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:50 pm

The USOT wrote:Thus far anarchism has failed to meet any kind of proof towards it being a valid system in a modern industrial sense.

Don't get me wrong, it has merits. There was a notable degree of success in Catalonia. There is even a fair amount of success in areas like twin oaks Virginia. But both have had major issues. Catalonia showed it to be politically unsustainable, with the Stalinists easily subverting the system and the mass slaughter of priests. Twin oaks has shown a very sustainable system at the cost of much in the way of modern tech and being only able to sustain 100 people.


Yeah, producing goods with high levels of technology and innovation would be nearly impossible in an anarchic society.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:56 pm

Define 'work'.

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Postby Divair » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:56 pm

Genivaria wrote:Define 'work'.

"Not assrape the majority of the planet."

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:57 pm

Divair wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Define 'work'.

"Not assrape the majority of the planet."

Uhhhhhhh.

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Postby Zonolia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:59 pm

Nope. Won't work, can't work, will never work.
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Postby Divair » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Divair wrote:"Not assrape the majority of the planet."

Uhhhhhhh.

That's a "no", I take it?

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:01 pm

As long as it's controlled in some way or another.
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Postby Zathganastan » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:01 pm

No anarchy on a large scale will always lead to a sort of fictionalized fighting between any and all major groups which reside in the area.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:01 pm

New haven america wrote:As long as it's controlled in some way or another.


That wouldn't be anarchy then, anarchy opposes "control."
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Postby Vaxon » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:02 pm

I could care less if it worked or failed.
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Postby Benomia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:02 pm

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Postby Thafoo » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:02 pm

New haven america wrote:As long as it's controlled in some way or another.

"Anarchy"

"Control"

Nope.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:03 pm

New haven america wrote:As long as it's controlled in some way or another.

'controlled anarchy' sounds like an oxymoron.

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Postby Shaggai » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:03 pm

Genivaria wrote:
New haven america wrote:As long as it's controlled in some way or another.

'controlled anarchy' sounds like an oxymoron.

It is.
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Postby Gandoor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:04 pm

Nope, just as much as "communism" would work with modern day society.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:04 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
New haven america wrote:As long as it's controlled in some way or another.


That wouldn't be anarchy then, anarchy opposes "control."

It was a contradiction. :eyebrow:
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:05 pm

If a nation was anarchist, everything would be in total chaos everyday in that nation. You need some kind of government to work in a nation. Therefore laws can be followed most of the time. But in anarchy if their is no government, then their will be a lot of crime, and people be killing a ton of people since their is no government and laws.
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