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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:10 am

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:What is so un masculine about being a homosexual? I'm a big manly guy and I'm a homosexual.


let me rephrase that... its really stupid to try and prove themsevles masculine and streight this way.... better? and i have nothing against homosexuals, i think they are fun people.


I'd have gone with pointing out that the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity holds homosexuality to be very effeminate, so it is somewhat ironic they would prove their masculinity by acting in a homosexual manner.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:10 am

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Inciting a crime? Failing to report a crime? Slandering the victim?
This doesn't cover ALL of the rape support, but at least a good chunk of them.


You'd have to stretch 'inciting a crime' pretty far to use that.
They did not know of the crime previously, so that won't work.
Slandering the victim could work, if they actually do slander the victim, which depends heavily on the individual statement. One could easily show support for a rapist without simultaneously slandering the victim.


Exactly, that's why I said it doesn't cover all of the rape support. But at least you can curtail a lot of actions of rape-supporters by prosecuting those crimes.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:11 am

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let me rephrase that... its really stupid to try and prove themsevles masculine and streight this way.... better? and i have nothing against homosexuals, i think they are fun people.


I'd have gone with pointing out that the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity holds homosexuality to be very effeminate, so it is somewhat ironic they would prove their masculinity by acting in a homosexual manner.

Homosexuality doesn't make people less masculine.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:12 am

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Great Empire of Gamilus wrote:
let me rephrase that... its really stupid to try and prove themsevles masculine and streight this way.... better? and i have nothing against homosexuals, i think they are fun people.


I'd have gone with pointing out that the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity holds homosexuality to be very effeminate, so it is somewhat ironic they would prove their masculinity by acting in a homosexual manner.


It's the role that counts here. Raped = penetrated = passive = submissive = feminine. Rapist = penetrator = active = dominant = masculine.

Nothing new under the Sun, such bullshit is around since at least 2500 years.
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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:12 am

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I'd have gone with pointing out that the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity holds homosexuality to be very effeminate, so it is somewhat ironic they would prove their masculinity by acting in a homosexual manner.

Homosexuality doesn't make people less masculine.


"the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity"

I'm not saying homosexuality does or does not make one masculine. I'm pointing out that it is ironic under the system these people (who are not myself) use.
You hardly have to convince me of any such thing.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:12 am

The XinTaFax Imperium wrote:.... The fuck!?

Hang on, this kind of thing actually happens... in AMERICA!? Jesus... I've always thought the yanks had a bit of loonyness to them, what with their sports obsessions and 'We are the land of the Free!" rhetoric, and all the fundamentalists and crap... but this!?

How can any civilised society, especially one who purports to be the be-all and end-all of civilisation, the guiding light of the western world and the 'best country on Earth' tolerate this!? I mean, have they not heard of Human Rights!? Surely this kind of culture violates the basic tenets of any moral system you care to name, any worthwhile cultural value?

I mean, I've never heard of such things happening here in England, and certainly not as culturally endemic as the OP seems to indicate, at least in certain areas of the US. Hell, we have our problems with bullying and that sort of stuff, but I've never heard of anything like this!

I saw this mentioned in the comments section.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:13 am

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Homosexuality doesn't make people less masculine.


"the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity"

I'm not saying homosexuality does or does not make one masculine. I'm pointing out that it is ironic under the system these people (who are not myself) use.
You hardly have to convince me of any such thing.

Oh, yes yes. Das ist right. I should have noticed that.
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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:14 am

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You'd have to stretch 'inciting a crime' pretty far to use that.
They did not know of the crime previously, so that won't work.
Slandering the victim could work, if they actually do slander the victim, which depends heavily on the individual statement. One could easily show support for a rapist without simultaneously slandering the victim.


Exactly, that's why I said it doesn't cover all of the rape support. But at least you can curtail a lot of actions of rape-supporters by prosecuting those crimes.


Of the three crimes/codes you listed, I think one could maybe work some of the time. =T
That being the one involving slander. That's not a promising ratio.
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Postby Vilkavis » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:14 am

While little research has been done on boy-on-boy sexual hazing, almost 10 percent of high school males reported being victims of rape, forced oral sex or other forms of sexual assault by their peers, according to a 2009 study in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence.


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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:15 am

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I'd have gone with pointing out that the system these individuals use to demonstrate masculinity holds homosexuality to be very effeminate, so it is somewhat ironic they would prove their masculinity by acting in a homosexual manner.


It's the role that counts here. Raped = penetrated = passive = submissive = feminine. Rapist = penetrator = active = dominant = masculine.

Nothing new under the Sun, such bullshit is around since at least 2500 years.


Sure. But they tend to consider homosexuality as effeminate in general, absent any sort of rape.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:17 am

IshCong wrote:
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It's the role that counts here. Raped = penetrated = passive = submissive = feminine. Rapist = penetrator = active = dominant = masculine.

Nothing new under the Sun, such bullshit is around since at least 2500 years.


Sure. But they tend to consider homosexuality as effeminate in general, absent any sort of rape.


That's unless they're doing it, you know. Those people aren't exactly renowned for their lack of double standards.
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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:17 am

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Mateys, I notice everyone is focusing on this single hamlet of Norwood.
As you can see from the OP, this has been reported to happen EVERYWHERE IN AMERICA. Which may also lead us to suspect it happens in other countries, too.


Indeed. Norwood shall be but an example, the first of many senseless cleansings, mass murders and nukings. If man has any sense they'd shape up after the first few hamlets are purged.

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In all seriousness, you're right that other countries have their own rape cultures and double standards. Most of these countries are assumed already by popular media to be hellholes or authoritarian badlands. The US, by virtue of 'Murica Fuck Yeah global media propaganda is often depicted ideally as having a higher standard. Ergo the "shock" people have when you get news like this.

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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:18 am

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Sure. But they tend to consider homosexuality as effeminate in general, absent any sort of rape.


That's unless they're doing it, you know. Those people aren't exactly renowned for their lack of double standards.


This is certainly true. I think that's kinda the point here, though.
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Postby Eaglleia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:21 am

Just....ugh. These people are sickening.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:22 am

Eaglleia wrote:Just....ugh. These people are sickening.

Indeed.
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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:23 am

....fuck, just... I don't even know what to say. It's another reminder of the horrible reality of rape culture and jock culture, but still just something you never get used to hearing about.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:32 am

IshCong wrote:
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That's unless they're doing it, you know. Those people aren't exactly renowned for their lack of double standards.


This is certainly true. I think that's kinda the point here, though.


Yep.

Also, this highlights how rape isn't just about sex. It's (quite often) about using sexuality and violence as tools to assert dominance.
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Postby Merriwhether » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:32 am

Mkuki wrote:The people who further victimized the victim are sick. Sick fucks who need to have their heads examined. Of course this type of incident should be reported. Why wouldn't it be? Sexual assault doesn't build character. Neither does rape or bullying.

As for hazing, it's a real problem and should really be talked about.

What type of crime is sexual assault?

I'd also like to add that if this shit had happened to one of the adults I doubt the response would be the same. What a fucking joke.


It is a fucking joke. Sick fucks who get kicks out of this shit, but it's the most disgusting breach of civil behavior, worse than most African nations, for Christ sake. I couldn't give less of a crap how old they are, these dumbasses deserve a long, long stay in the stony lonesome where they can't sexually degrade people any more.

Oh, it's just kids being kids, says the negligent parent. But no, it's kids being stupid incarnate, and as long as it gets worse, these people deserve a world's more than a bit of detention. And their parents, well, clearly they're not playing a very positive role in their child's life if it's comes down to this, so they can fuck off and anybody else who knew about it but never came forward. Honestly this needs mafia mentality needs to stop before alternate solutions become necessary, because this issue is perpetual. How much longer will it be until brutally beating younger people within an inch of their lives, or worse, is a "display of masculinity," and supposedly "builds character?" I give it twenty years, a stretch.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:33 am

Risottia wrote:
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This is certainly true. I think that's kinda the point here, though.


Yep.

Also, this highlights how rape isn't just about sex. It's (quite often) about using sexuality and violence as tools to assert dominance.

I saw a report on The Young Turks that the majority of rapes are committed against men, anyway.
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Postby Horsefish » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:34 am

The XinTaFax Imperium wrote:I mean, I've never heard of such things happening here in England, and certainly not as culturally endemic as the OP seems to indicate, at least in certain areas of the US. Hell, we have our problems with bullying and that sort of stuff, but I've never heard of anything like this!


Oh trust me, uni teams tend to have 'initiations'.

Have yet to hear about one that involves penetration however; tends to be make you drink far too much, maybe some full frontal male nudity, exercise and eating/drinking disgusting things.
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Postby Eaglleia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:34 am

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Eaglleia wrote:Just....ugh. These people are sickening.

Indeed.

I just can't understand some people. At all.

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Postby Great Empire of Gamilus » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:35 am

Merriwhether wrote:
Mkuki wrote:The people who further victimized the victim are sick. Sick fucks who need to have their heads examined. Of course this type of incident should be reported. Why wouldn't it be? Sexual assault doesn't build character. Neither does rape or bullying.

As for hazing, it's a real problem and should really be talked about.

What type of crime is sexual assault?

I'd also like to add that if this shit had happened to one of the adults I doubt the response would be the same. What a fucking joke.


It is a fucking joke. Sick fucks who get kicks out of this shit, but it's the most disgusting breach of civil behavior, worse than most African nations, for Christ sake. I couldn't give less of a crap how old they are, these dumbasses deserve a long, long stay in the stony lonesome where they can't sexually degrade people any more.

Oh, it's just kids being kids, says the negligent parent. But no, it's kids being stupid incarnate, and as long as it gets worse, these people deserve a world's more than a bit of detention. And their parents, well, clearly they're not playing a very positive role in their child's life if it's comes down to this, so they can fuck off and anybody else who knew about it but never came forward. Honestly this needs mafia mentality needs to stop before alternate solutions become necessary, because this issue is perpetual. How much longer will it be until brutally beating younger people within an inch of their lives, or worse, is a "display of masculinity," and supposedly "builds character?" I give it twenty years, a stretch.


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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:35 am

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Indeed.

I just can't understand some people. At all.

Same with me. I can't understand homophobes and those people.
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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:35 am

Risottia wrote:
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This is certainly true. I think that's kinda the point here, though.


Yep.

Also, this highlights how rape isn't just about sex. It's (quite often) about using sexuality and violence as tools to assert dominance.


Something one would think is common sense, but nooooo, tons of people still manage to think rape is just about the sex.
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Postby IshCong » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:37 am

Mkuki wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Yep.

Also, this highlights how rape isn't just about sex. It's (quite often) about using sexuality and violence as tools to assert dominance.

I saw a report on The Young Turks that the majority of rapes are committed against men, anyway.


I don't suppose you have a link to said report?
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